Dean For DNC Chair Thread #2

[Guest sek69]

I sense this is headed toward another "who has more crime, US or Canada".....

[Guest MikeSC]

I sense this is headed toward another "who has more crime, US or Canada".....

I see this headed towards a "The south actually had to FACE its racism".

-=Mike

...I'm the only one who seems to think a black woman can win the WH. Odd, huh?

[EricMM 0]

The reason northeners don't think a black PERSON or any woman will ever get the WH is because we have ZERO faith in Southerners not to be ignorant.

 

Zero.

[Guest MikeSC]

The reason northeners don't think a black PERSON or any woman will ever get the WH is because we have ZERO faith in Southerners not to be ignorant.

 

Zero.

Because northerners NEVER had racial problems.

 

Boston NEVER had race riots over school busing.

 

Suure.

 

You can never go broke betting on the ignorance of northerners.

-=Mike

[Guest sek69]

Anyone who thinks the South has faced its racism is just deluded.

 

Just because the Klan doesn't have free range anymore doesn't mean the south is completely devoid of racism.

 

If anything, it's probably worse because at least the Klan is pretty up front about their racism. Most people now just would stay home than vote for a black woman for president.

[Guest MikeSC]

Anyone who thinks the South has faced its racism is just deluded.

Or somebody who ACTUALLY lives here and DEALS with this regularly.

Just because the Klan doesn't have free range anymore doesn't mean the south is completely devoid of racism.

Who said it was completely devoid of racism?

 

I said it's a minor issue, at best, down here.

If anything, it's probably worse because at least the Klan is pretty up front about their racism. Most people now just would stay home than vote for a black woman for president.

Don't project your issues upon others.

 

The only reason a black has not come close to being President is that there has yet to be a candidate who wasn't a blithering idiot.

 

Get a good, solid, brilliant candidate who ALSO happens to be black and he or she will win elections easily.

-=Mike

[Guest sek69]

Don't project your issues upon others.

 

Oh stop.

 

Yeah, I'm a big sheet-wearing racist, thats's why I'm a liberal Democrat.

 

 

Assuming what you're saying is true and racism isn't a big deal where you live, do you really see good ol' boys in Alabama and Mississippi voting for Condi in 2008?

 

And before you make another post about it, yes there is racism in the north states. Hell there was nearly a race riot here in Pittsburgh after the cops killed a black guy. News flash: racism happens everywhere. It just seems to be more institutionalized in the south.

[Guest MikeSC]

Don't project your issues upon others.

Oh stop.

 

Yeah, I'm a big sheet-wearing racist, thats's why I'm a liberal Democrat.

Liberal Dems can be quite racist, like it or not.

Assuming what you're saying is true and racism isn't a big deal where you live, do you really see good ol' boys in Alabama and Mississippi voting for Condi in 2008?

I've picked her to win the GOP nomination since about 2002. Yes, I think MS and AL will vote for her happily.

And before you make another post about it, yes there is racism in the north states. Hell  there was nearly a race riot here in Pittsburgh after the cops killed a black guy. News flash: racism happens everywhere. It just seems to be more institutionalized in the south.

Sek, you don't know a thing about the South. Don't pretend to understand anything down here.

-=Mike

[EricMM 0]

Or are you going to try and argue that the south has somehow had LESS racism in it's history than the north?

 

I KNOW we have racists here in MD, and I KNOW there are racists as far north as Maine. But I also KNOW that the south has always been and always will be worse than the north as far as race relations go. I'm sure the last racist man will be a southerner.

[Guest MikeSC]

Or are you going to try and argue that the south has somehow had LESS racism in it's history than the north?

I'm arguing it had JUST AS MUCH as the North in the past --- and that, unlike the North, we had to come to grips with it and deal with it.

I KNOW we have racists here in MD, and I KNOW there are racists as far north as Maine.  But I also KNOW that the south has always been and always will be worse than the north as far as race relations go.  I'm sure the last racist man will be a southerner.

And I know you're wrong.

 

I've lived up north. I've lived down south. The racism up north was markedly worse.

-=Mike

[Guest sek69]

Wow, this pretty much confirms Mike lives in a Bizarro World where everything is opposite.

[Guest MikeSC]

Wow, this pretty much confirms Mike lives in a Bizarro World where everything is opposite.

No --- it shows that Mike is one of the few who has ACTUALLY lived in both places.

-=Mike

[Guest sek69]

Out of curiousity, where in the South do you live?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I've lived in Ontario and in central Florida, and I can outright say that racism is a much bigger problem in Florida.

[Guest MikeSC]

Out of curiousity, where in the South do you live?

South Carolina. And I lived right outside of Atlantic City in NJ.

 

Racial tension in NJ was thick --- odd, considering how few blacks actually lived there.

-=Mike

[Guest sek69]

Well there you go. I wouldn't base my opinon of anything (north, south, democrats, or republicans) on New Jersey.

[Guest MikeSC]

Well there you go. I wouldn't base my opinon of anything (north, south, democrats, or republicans) on New Jersey.

I spent considerable time in Philly as well.

-=Mike

...I bloody hate Philly...

[Guest sek69]

That's even worse. It's pretty well documented that Philly is chock full of assholes.

[Guest MikeSC]

That's even worse. It's pretty well documented that Philly is chock full of assholes.

Then I'll try and give the rest of the north a second chance.

-=Mike

...I still say the South is not terribly racist. I have had a wealth of black bosses...and honestly don't care...

[Guest Brian]

It's two forms of racism that are markedly different. Neither one is good, so there's nothing worth debating over.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Having lived in both the North and South (as far north as upstate NY, and as far south as central Virginia), the South is far worse. Northern VA is quite tolerant, however.

 

That's not saying much, though, considering it's the technology basin.

[Guest MikeSC]

Having lived in both the North and South (as far north as upstate NY, and as far south as central Virginia), the South is far worse. Northern VA is quite tolerant, however.

 

That's not saying much, though, considering it's the technology basin.

You've lived as far south as central VA --- and make claims that the South is racist.

 

Even though "Northern VA" is not?

 

Hmm, OK.

-=Mike

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Northern VA is a mixing pot of races. Whites are actually a minority there. If you're a racist, you're not going to get anywhere.

 

However, having lived in the Richmond/Lake Anna area, it's far, far worse than both upstate New York and Northern VA. It's just a fact of hearing how people speak, getting their beliefs about political issues (for example, one of the #1 issues in Central VA is immigration, especially since the economy is driven around service industries like construction), and that sort of thing. Hey, to their credit, though, they seem to have as much of a problem with Hispanics as they do with blacks.

[Guest MikeSC]

Northern VA is a mixing pot of races. Whites are actually a minority there. If you're a racist, you're not going to get anywhere.

 

However, having lived in the Richmond/Lake Anna area, it's far, far worse than both upstate New York and Northern VA. It's just a fact of hearing how people speak, getting their beliefs about political issues (for example, one of the #1 issues in Central VA is immigration, especially since the economy is driven around service industries like construction), and that sort of thing. Hey, to their credit, though, they seem to have as much of a problem with Hispanics as they do with blacks.

How is wanting secure borders racist?

 

Seems like basic common sense to me.

-=Mike

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

That's the worst spin I've ever seen, Mike. That's just pathetic.

 

Their issue is with the fact that they're dirty and take people's jobs, not with "securing borders". They don't care if they're legal immigrants or not.

 

They means the people I interacted with, of course. I'm not saying ALL SOUTHERNERS ARE RAYCISTS!~ or anything stupid like that, nor am I calling you a racist. However, in general, the farther South I've lived, the more racist the general public (that I've interacted with) is.

[The Czech Republic 0]

The only reason a black has not come close to being President is that there has yet to be a candidate who wasn't a blithering idiot.

Jesse Jackson just wasn't doin' it for ya?

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

I'm not sure that Rice's problem would be racism in the South, so much as I don't see her beating a popular southern born-and-bred politician like Bill Frist. Against an "elitist New Yorker" like Giuliani she'd probably have a shot.

[Guest Brian]

Would she have a problem making it out of her own primaries?

[EricMM 0]

So every GOB southern Republicans will drop out of the race because they want to see Condi win? Because I have a feeling they'd win a lot of those states.

 

Mike, I'm not shocked at all that you'd proclaim these things, given who you are, what you do, and what you say. But just check your history. Racism is eliminated the same way across the world. Slowly and over time. Single people rarely have such epiphanies that they become markedly better people, especially if they've had decades of negative education. My point is, the more racism existed, the longer it will stay. The best and IMO only countermeasure for not just POLICY racism but personal internal prejudice is simple exposure to people different from you. Thats why ALL of white-bread America is slightly prejudiced when it comes to minorities, from Jersey to Alabama. They don't get normal exposure. They the movies, TV, music, everything else.

 

But back to my original point, I'd say that racism is "eliminated" from a society at a certain pace. If it had been eliminated from the South, a term synonomous with racism, it would have been long gone from the North.

 

Perhaps synonomous is a slighly over-strong term. A word associated with racism however.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I'd just like to say that I know what Georgia looks like beyond the borders of Atlanta. And if you thought Hillbilly Redneck Paradise was dead, think again.