WWE's Tape Library

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If the footage existed, it would have leaked out by now. It's just simple. Something like this just could not be kept quiet for this long.

What about the footage of Droz breaking his neck from Smackdown? They show him on the stretcher on the "Don't try this at home" adverts, but nobody has actually seen the video. And don't tell me they weren't taping that, it was part of a match. So yes, it IS possible that there are things out there that DON'T get leaked out.

 

And the part about a camera on Owen...Wasn't there a time before he fell where he did the stunt once? I remember in the video package of the Blazer they showed right before the fall, it had the Blazer coming down from a harness. There was a camera on him then, why not at the PPV? There is no reason to NOT have a camera on him, but many reasons to actualy have one on him.

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I suggest you read over what MikeSC has said about the Owen Hart tape argument.

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Ok, but why would Vince even have to come out to say he had a copy? That's like him walking out on Raw and saying "This has no impact on anything at all, but just so you all know, I have a tape of my own show where Hardcore Holly broke his arm. Thank you". He hasn't admitted to having it in his collection because nobody has asked him. Just because I never told anyone that I drank a cup of water 5 minutes ago doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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He hasn't admitted to having it in his collection because nobody has asked him.

Do you seriously think that nobody has ever asked him that ? Not even Owen's widow ?

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To my knowledge Martha Hart is the only person to have the incident on tape, because it was given to her by the WWF. If McMahon has one, he can say hello to a nice big lawsuit, so odds are he isn't that stupid.

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I've got a question for those who seem intent on believing that a video exists of Owen falling to his death.

 

Why ? Do you want to see it ? Is that why you want to believe it exists ?

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If anyone wants to see it, please give me your home address so I can take a shit on your door step/punch you in the nose.

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Martha's lawyers could have torn up the tape library looking for Owen's fall if she would have even gotten whiff of such a tape along with some evidence.

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Martha Hart saying SHE has the only copy of the accident should be disregarded, due to the extreme circumstances of what happened. It's not that she would lie, but it's implausible to assume she KNOWS she has the only copy. A legal document couldn't be drawn up to support this, for fear that the courts would've gotten ahold of the document.

 

Sure, nothing has been leaked about the whereabouts of the actual footage - then again, who, in the tight circle of production people working under Vince, actually knew what happened to it? Kevin Dunn? Tom Pritchard? Are any of them NOT in a position of power within the company?

 

The point is, there's a SMALL group of people who'd know the definitive steps of where the footage went, and even then, they would've been stopped by Vince as soon as they questioned his intentions.

 

I've got a question for those who seem intent on believing that a video exists of Owen falling to his death.

 

Why ? Do you want to see it ? Is that why you want to believe it exists ?

 

The thread is about what Vince has access to.

 

Guys, the point of this thread has been exhausted. Now it's just degenerating into insults based on pure speculation by anyone not named Vince McMahon or Martha Hart.

 

Finally, if anyone has covered this argument ad nauseum, it's Dave Meltzer. Someone just e-mail him with the link to this thread, then ask for his opinion. Regardless of the concrete evidence he does or does not have, the questions about the footage would be laid to rest.

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HEY BACK ON TOPIC

 

WWE Magazine did a feature on the IC Title.

 

Apparently, the tape machines ran out of film during one title change, I think Santana winning or dropping the belt. Coulda been Muraco or Pedro though.

 

They said it's a rare match only the "final moments" were caught on film.

[Guest MikeSC]

If the footage existed, it would have leaked out by now. It's just simple. Something like this just could not be kept quiet for this long.

What about the footage of Droz breaking his neck from Smackdown? They show him on the stretcher on the "Don't try this at home" adverts, but nobody has actually seen the video.

 

The fact that THEY SHOW IT discounts your argument. Droz didn't die. What happened to Droz, while tragic, is the type of accident that happens in the business.

 

Vince would not have any legal liability from the accident.

And don't tell me they weren't taping that, it was part of a match.  So yes, it IS possible that there are things out there that DON'T get leaked out.

Umm, the WWF is the one showing the footage. They've never once claimed it didn't exist. They freely admit it exists. They've simply opted to not air it out of class.

 

There is ZERO proof that Owen's death exists on tape anywhere outside of, possibly, Martha Hart's possession.

 

People have been looking for years now. Heck, even I expected it to have been leaked by this point.

 

But it hasn't been.

 

Which leaves two options: Either the WWE has managed to find a way to keep this totally secret (unlikely, to say the least)...or the footage does not exist in the WWE's possession.

And the part about a camera on Owen...Wasn't there a time before he fell where he did the stunt once?  I remember in the video package of the Blazer they showed right before the fall, it had the Blazer coming down from a harness.  There was a camera on him then, why not at the PPV?  There is no reason to NOT have a camera on him, but many reasons to actualy have one on him.

They wouldn't have a camera focusing on the HARNESS itself. There was a camera on Owen. Nobody disputes that.

 

The footage of Owen's death was either erased or the master given to Martha and no copies exist.

 

They WOULD have come out by now.

Ok, but why would Vince even have to come out to say he had a copy?

It's not Vince's word.

 

It's the lack of an accusation by ANYBODY.

 

Not even Meltz --- who, suffice to say, doesn't buy a lot of what Vinnie Mac says.

That's like him walking out on Raw and saying "This has no impact on anything at all, but just so you all know, I have a tape of my own show where Hardcore Holly broke his arm. Thank you". He hasn't admitted to having it in his collection because nobody has asked him. Just because I never told anyone that I drank a cup of water 5 minutes ago doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And name a major event where the footage was quashed effectively for this many years. Name an event of this magnitude where the key piece of possible evidence, somehow, remained hidden for over 5 years.

Sure, nothing has been leaked about the whereabouts of the actual footage - then again, who, in the tight circle of production people working under Vince, actually knew what happened to it? Kevin Dunn? Tom Pritchard? Are any of them NOT in a position of power within the company?

The WWE is a tight-knit company --- yet almost all of the backstage bullshit somehow makes it out to people who want to know.

The point is, there's a SMALL group of people who'd know the definitive steps of where the footage went, and even then, they would've been stopped by Vince as soon as they questioned his intentions.

Even guys like Meltz --- who, again, does not blindly buy Vince's crap --- don't think Vince has any footage.

 

Largely for the reasons I stated.

 

Namely, he isn't dumb enough to leave himself open to legal problems by actually having the footage. It will do NOTHING but hurt him.

Apparently, the tape machines ran out of film during one title change, I think Santana winning or dropping the belt. Coulda been Muraco or Pedro though.

It was his win v Muraco. And some footage does remain.

-=Mike

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There is ZERO proof that Owen's death exists on tape anywhere outside of, possibly, Martha Hart's possession.

 

But there's also zero proof that says it DOESN'T exist. Just because the public hasn't seen it doesn't mean Vince doesn't have footage of it. It's actualy a dead end argument, as neither side knows for sure. I'm just saying, just because Vince hasn't shown anything doesn't mean that he doesn't have it. It's stupid to think that no matter how big a case is, there is ALWAYS a leak. Sometimes things actually stay hidden, and don't become public. Yes, even in wrestling I'm sure.

 

I don't see Vince saying to himself "God, I need to make sure I get rid of this footage. Nobody would think anything of it if I destroyed it. I'm sure I wouldn't get in trouble for erasing the death of a man...". He had a tape. If he gave it to Martha or not, the tape is out there somewhere. That's pretty obvious. So why hasn't it leaked out?

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Well, I sent a question to PWInsider a few minutes after my last post, and it was awnsered already.

 

Recently a debate has begun regarding the footage of Owen Hart from Over The Edge 1999. Some say that Vince still has footage of it in his possesion, while others claim that Vince either gave the footage to Martha Hart, or destroyed it. I don't see Vince destroying it, as it would have been a key piece of evidence in the trial. And if Vince did give it to Martha, I still think he'd keep a copy for his own protection. So I was wondering, what do you think about the subject. Nobody actualy wants to see it, but we question where it went.

 

I’ve never heard that the footage was given to Martha Hart. My assumption is that whatever footage they have from that evening, it is in the WWE vaults.

[Guest MikeSC]

There is ZERO proof that Owen's death exists on tape anywhere outside of, possibly, Martha Hart's possession.

But there's also zero proof that says it DOESN'T exist.

It would be impossible to prove that it doesn't exist. That's just basic logic.

Just because the public hasn't seen it doesn't mean Vince doesn't have footage of it.  It's actualy a dead end argument, as neither side knows for sure.  I'm just saying, just because Vince hasn't shown anything doesn't mean that he doesn't have it.  It's stupid to think that no matter  how big a case is, there is ALWAYS a leak.  Sometimes things actually stay hidden, and don't become public.  Yes, even in wrestling I'm sure.

True. However, it is illogical for Vince to keep footage that would do him nothing but harm.

I don't see Vince saying to himself "God, I need to make sure I get rid of this footage.  Nobody would think anything of it if I destroyed it.  I'm sure I wouldn't get in trouble for erasing the death of a man...".  He had a tape.  If he gave it to Martha or not, the tape is out there somewhere.  That's pretty obvious.  So why hasn't it leaked out?

Because Martha claims she owns the only copy and she either destroyed it or locked it in safety deposit box.

 

I've heard both versions.

 

As for the Martha story, that is, I believe, from her book.

-=Mike

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Well, I sent a question to PWInsider a few minutes after my last post, and it was awnsered already.

 

Recently a debate has begun regarding the footage of Owen Hart from Over The Edge 1999. Some say that Vince still has footage of it in his possesion, while others claim that Vince either gave the footage to Martha Hart, or destroyed it. I don't see Vince destroying it, as it would have been a key piece of evidence in the trial. And if Vince did give it to Martha, I still think he'd keep a copy for his own protection. So I was wondering, what do you think about the subject. Nobody actualy wants to see it, but we question where it went.

 

I’ve never heard that the footage was given to Martha Hart. My assumption is that whatever footage they have from that evening, it is in the WWE vaults.

No offense, but PWI probably aren't the best sources, as Martha Hart documented in her book that she had the footage. You might e-mail Dave Meltzer, since he covered the trial extensively and I believe was even present for many of the hearings.

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No offense, but PWI probably aren't the best sources, as Martha Hart documented in her book that she had the footage. You might e-mail Dave Meltzer, since he covered the trial extensively and I believe was even present for many of the hearings.

 

Finally, if anyone has covered this argument ad nauseum, it's Dave Meltzer. Someone just e-mail him with the link to this thread, then ask for his opinion. Regardless of the concrete evidence he does or does not have, the questions about the footage would be laid to rest.

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HEY BACK ON TOPIC

 

WWE Magazine did a feature on the IC Title.

 

Apparently, the tape machines ran out of film during one title change, I think Santana winning or dropping the belt. Coulda been Muraco or Pedro though.

 

They said it's a rare match only the "final moments" were caught on film.

I wonder if that's referring to when Tito Santana beat Don Muraco in Boston for the I-C Title. It may not be though because it was the closing footage that was cut out of it. Kayfabe wise, Santana believed that Capt Lou Albano had something to do w/ the missing footage.

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The ending to the Santana-Muraco IC Title change match wasn't really lost. The finish was botched, so they got around it by claiming that the tape was messed up, and so had no footage to show.