Cornette or Heenan

[Scroby 0]

I gotta go with Heenan but then again its because I grew up watching Heenan and listening to him and Gorrila on the annouce team. Cornette for the most part just annoyed me while he was in the WWF. I didn't care much for him but then again I really haven't seen any of his NWA work.

[Si82 0]

I gotta go with Heenan but then again its because I grew up watching Heenan and listening to him and Gorrila on the annouce team.

I'm going with Heenan too for the reasons described above. I'll always have a soft spot for both Heenan and Monsoon.

 

That's not to say that I don't like Cornette. He's a hell of a manager and a promo guy but I'd always choose Heenan over him.

[nl5xsk1 0]

The fans hated Heenan, and then by proxy anyone associated with Heenan. Heenan helped Andre because Bobby was the thorn in Hogan's side, always trying to end Hulkamania. He talked for Andre and was able to get the match over as a spectacle, an ultimate confrontation.

 

He helped Orndorff for the same reason. He didn't get him over, but helped him get more over.

 

Bundy and Studd were over in mid 80s WWF, if you see the HOF DVD, Studd was getting mega heel heat during his run.

 

His constant praising of Flair helped out with the fans who may not have known about Flair's NWA days. Heenan put over Flair as a wrestling God

Of the 5 guys you mentioned, 3 got their biggest heel heat for feuding with Hogan (Andre, Bundy & Orndorff). You could have had anyone managing those three and they'd have gotten huge heat. Yes, Heened was hated, but it's not like any of those three wouldn't have gotten over purely on their feuding with Hogan.

 

Of the other 2 guys, one got his biggest heel heat for feuding with Andre at a time when Andre was easily the 2nd most popular wrestler in the WWF (Studd). Again, having Heenen didn't hurt, but Studd could have walked out without a manager and gotten huge heat for cutting Andre's hair.

 

Flair was indeed helped by Heenen's hyping him up, but to say that Heenen was the reason that Flair got over is a fallacy. Flair would have gotten over on his abilities in the ring and on the mic regardless of a connection with Heenen.

 

And you could have added Rude to your list, but again, his biggest heat came because of something he did (feud with Roberts over his wife) or who he was feuding with (Ultimate Warrior) more than who he had in his corner.

 

Now, if you'd said about all the wonders that Heenen did for Haku, Bossman, or any of the other lower-mid-carders that he managed, I'd maybe agree. But not with the people that you referenced.

[Guest krazykat72]

I totally second the person describing Cornette as an awesome PBP guy in OVW.

He's great and has really good chemistry with Dean Hill.

He was better than the 80's version of Heenan as a manager. As someone who's watched a ton of both of their stuff from that era, it's really not close.

I haven't seen enough of Heenan's AWA days to judge him from that era and how it stacks up against Cornette's peak.

Bobby was a hell of a bumper though.

 

 

-Paul Jacobi-

[Guest Loss]

I wish I understood the concept of people "not knowing" about the NWA. It aired in syndication in every market nationally, and TBS was shown everywhere USA was.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Some people who watched WWF didn't watch NWA/WCW back in the day, or didn't have cable to watch it on TBS or whatever stations it was on, while WWF had Superstars/Challenge on national syndication on channels 2-13.

[strummer 0]

I wish I understood the concept of people "not knowing" about the NWA. It aired in syndication in every market nationally, and TBS was shown everywhere USA was.

My cable company did not offer TBS until 1996. The only NWA/WCW I saw was Worldwide out of WSBK in Boston. I kept track through wrestling magazines, renting old PPVs on VHS and word of mouth. WWF was much more available in my market. I know a lot of people growing up who did not have much access to the NWA. Hell I watched more AWA.

[Guest Rrrsh]

I wish I understood the concept of people "not knowing" about the NWA. It aired in syndication in every market nationally, and TBS was shown everywhere USA was.

It wasn't in Canada.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

I didn't get cable until the mid 1990s. Until then, it was Worldwide respresenting the NWA while SuperStars, Challenge, and Spotlight all aired in syndication for the WWF. Herego, it was much easier to keep up w/ the WWF.

[nl5xsk1 0]

I wish I understood the concept of people "not knowing" about the NWA. It aired in syndication in every market nationally, and TBS was shown everywhere USA was.

My cable company did not offer TBS until 1996. The only NWA/WCW I saw was Worldwide out of WSBK in Boston. I kept track through wrestling magazines, renting old PPVs on VHS and word of mouth. WWF was much more available in my market. I know a lot of people growing up who did not have much access to the NWA. Hell I watched more AWA.

Where do you live that you didn't get TBS but got crappy little SBK?

[strummer 0]

I wish I understood the concept of people "not knowing" about the NWA. It aired in syndication in every market nationally, and TBS was shown everywhere USA was.

My cable company did not offer TBS until 1996. The only NWA/WCW I saw was Worldwide out of WSBK in Boston. I kept track through wrestling magazines, renting old PPVs on VHS and word of mouth. WWF was much more available in my market. I know a lot of people growing up who did not have much access to the NWA. Hell I watched more AWA.

Where do you live that you didn't get TBS but got crappy little SBK?

Schenectady, NY. We had WSBK for several years, but haven't had it since about 1997 or 1998.

 

When NWA/WCW held a Clash in Troy, NY in 89, (Flair v Funk I quit match) no one in school really had access to NWA, and we were curious about this "different" kind of wrestling. I remember talking to someone who went to the show and he said the only thing good about the show was "The Skyscrapers looked cool", "they should go to the WWF" Keep in mind we were only in the 4th grade at the time.

[Guest M. Harry Smilac]

Just as Cornette can't stand Russo's NY accent I cannot stand Cornette's southern drawl so it's easily Heenan.

[Jingus 0]

"Southern drawl"? Cornette is an articulate motormouth. Where are you from, Harry, that you would consider Corny to have a particularly thick accent?

[Scroby 0]

I wish I understood the concept of people "not knowing" about the NWA. It aired in syndication in every market nationally, and TBS was shown everywhere USA was.

 

I was to young to know about NWA, I didn't really know about NWA until I heard about WCW and heard little and little more about WCW through PWI Magazines. Plus the local videostore rented out some NWA/WCW tapes and I slowly figured that WCW used to be NWA, I think the first real WCW event I saw was when my mom mistakenly rented me that one ppv where it was the US vs Japan, Flair vs someone, I forget plus another one that had Luger vs Flair in a steel cage where the ref checked Flair's valet and pulled a sirenge (sp?) outta her outfit. That just creeped me out.

[Celtic Jobber 0]

I was never an NWA fan. Actually, it was before I started watching wrestling.

And since becoming a fan in 1991, I always perferred the WWF to WCW.

 

From what I've seen of both men which is pretty much all of Heenan's WWF run (pre-1991 from videotapes) and Cornette's WWF run in the mid-90's, I have to say Heenan is a million times better than Cornette.

 

But again, I haven't seen any of Cornette's NWA work, nor his work in OVW or anywhere else.

[Jericholic82 0]

It seems to me like Heenan is more remembered as a commentator than a manager, which is sad cuz he was a great manager as well. You could have put any indiot out there with Heenan and they would have got at least some heat. Heenan had heel charsima oozing everywhere. He wasn't afraid to take bumps or make himself look like the fool to get over the other wrestlers.

 

I don't know much about Corny since I also never saw NWA back in the day (actually I ddnt see any wrestling really as I didnt become a fan untill the 1990 survivor series) and couldnt have anyway since I didnt have cable untill about 90.

But cornette was also a great mouthpiece and was annoying in a different kind of way then heenan. Corny was more hateable cuz of his annoying whining and crybaby actions, while Heenan was more of the insulting type (he was a fearful wussy at heart, but he acted like he wasnt, while cornette played the little wuss character to the hilt)

[Guest M. Harry Smilac]

"Southern drawl"? Cornette is an articulate motormouth. Where are you from, Harry, that you would consider Corny to have a particularly thick accent?

Parts Unknown.

 

Have you ever listened to wrestling gold?Well dagnabbit that's neither here nor there but you need to if you dont know what I mean.