Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 The last 2 years, yeah, but in '03 and '02 it did pretty good (in '02 it outdrew Summer Slam, and in '03 was pretty close to Slam). No Way Out 2002 featured the return of possibly the greatest draw in the history of the industry. Summerslam 2002 featured the in-ring return of one of the worst drawing champions in company history. No surprise there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted March 13, 2005 And everyone knew the outcome to the main event of Summerslam 2002 by the middle of June that year as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ISportsFan 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 To be fair, SummerSlam 2002's buyrate was good compared to a majority of the buyrates that year. But, expecting it to outdraw Hogan's return to WWE would be very unrealistic. Jason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Team Angle Pusher 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 RAW's buyrates are almost as bad so it isn't just JBL. Is JBL to blame for Taboo Tuesday too? HBK & HHH draw less than jackshit as well. Taboo Tuesday had a low buyrate because the fans didn't know what to expect. They didn't know if HBK was going to fight Triple H, or if Shelton was going to face Jericho. The WWE said it would be very realistic and the fans would really be able to choose what match they wanted. I think the fans didn't want to take the risk of spending money on a card with Rodney Mack versus Jericho and Edge vs. HHH or Orton vs Flair in a Submission match. Everyone has different tastes and they didn't know who was going to fight and if the thing they voted for didn't get the most votes, they would be dissapointed. It's a horrible concept, just have a normal PPV. But onto NWO, you can blame JBL all you want but it's because of JBL's character that I have been beginning to enjoy Smackdown! again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 Summerslam 2002 > WM XIX > WM XX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shadow Report post Posted March 13, 2005 how does WMXIX even figure into that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 I don't know why anyone would have ordered NWO unless they have a group of friends that order every show and split the cost (like myself and co.)... I ordered it back in early January as part of a 3-pack special DirecTV was running with New Year's Revolution and the Rumble. I think when I made that particular choice, I was assuming the belt would be off of JBL by the time No Way Out aired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
natey2k4 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 Taboo Tuesday had a low buyrate because the fans didn't know what to expect. They didn't know if HBK was going to fight Triple H, or if Shelton was going to face Jericho. The WWE said it would be very realistic and the fans would really be able to choose what match they wanted. I think the fans didn't want to take the risk of spending money on a card with Rodney Mack versus Jericho and Edge vs. HHH or Orton vs Flair in a Submission match. Everyone has different tastes and they didn't know who was going to fight and if the thing they voted for didn't get the most votes, they would be dissapointed. It's a horrible concept, just have a normal PPV. I disagree with not running the ppv.. but agree with not knowing what to expect. However, I think it gives the fans some say and opens up a breathe of fresh air. They should reveal the matches the week before, and I think that would improve the buyrate tremendously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4hartthreat 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 I think the reason most of the blame can be placed on JBL is because of how the show was promoted. He was the wwe champ going into a big gimmick match with a wrestler who most casual fans probably believe could beat JBL and it was the ONLY match they hyped for the show. When you are the champion and they promote a ppv as a one match show and it's your match, then if it doesn't draw it is considered your fault. And the concept can work, NY Revolution was promoted as a one match show and it did just fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 The problem is that everybody knew that JBL was winning because they already started booking towards the Cena match. Nobody is going to order a show that they know the outcome to. WWE has done a terrible job of this in the past couple of years. Giving away results to big PPV matches before they ever happen. They did with JBL at Survivor Series too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 I think the reason most of the blame can be placed on JBL is because of how the show was promoted. He was the wwe champ going into a big gimmick match with a wrestler who most casual fans probably believe could beat JBL and it was the ONLY match they hyped for the show. When you are the champion and they promote a ppv as a one match show and it's your match, then if it doesn't draw it is considered your fault. And the concept can work, NY Revolution was promoted as a one match show and it did just fine. There's a difference between an ELIMINATION CHAMBER where maybe 4 people had a chance to win, and a steel cage match where the conclusion is foregone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 Looking at that PDF, why is Vengeance 2002 so fucking high? Makes no sense. Edit: Unless they combined that with KOTR 2002. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 Nobody is going to order a show that they know the outcome to. They will if the main event they 'know' the result to is a finish they want to see. The 2002 Royal Rumble did the most buys of any Rumble ever, and everyone knew Hunter was winning the Rumble. While the Rumble traditionally does do a strong number, it can't be denied that most of the juice of the 2002 buy rate came from people wanting to see Hunter win a Rumble that anyone with a brain knew he was going to win the second he announced he was going to be in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2005 Nobody is going to order a show that they know the outcome to. They will if the main event they 'know' the result to is a finish they want to see. The 2002 Royal Rumble did the most buys of any Rumble ever, and everyone knew Hunter was winning the Rumble. While the Rumble traditionally does do a strong number, it can't be denied that most of the juice of the 2002 buy rate came from people wanting to see Hunter win a Rumble that anyone with a brain knew he was going to win the second he announced he was going to be in it. Well, yeah. Same deal with Wrestlemania XIV. But those are rare exceptions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 14, 2005 They don't have to be rare. It is a matter of paying off on a well put-together feud at the right time. Giving the audience what htey want when they should Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2005 They don't have to be rare. It is a matter of paying off on a well put-together feud at the right time. Giving the audience what htey want when they should Usually it requires someone that the fans really want to see, like Hogan or Austin. I don't think a Big Show or Booker T title win would get nearly the response whether it was guaranteed or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shadow Report post Posted March 14, 2005 Looking at that PDF, why is Vengeance 2002 so fucking high? Makes no sense. Edit: Unless they combined that with KOTR 2002. The Rock's PPV return likely had the large appeal for the fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 14, 2005 I don't think it takes somebody quite on that level. I think you could pull it off with some really good characters, where there is a payoff at the end of a feud. Booker and Big Show at earlier points in their career with stronger characters might be able to pull it off, though not at the high levels your thinking of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2005 Looking at that PDF, why is Vengeance 2002 so fucking high? Makes no sense. Edit: Unless they combined that with KOTR 2002. The Rock's PPV return likely had the large appeal for the fans. venegeance 02 was a decent show. The me was one of the best if not the best triple threat match in wwe history (of ocurse the inevitable comparisons to wm xx and backlash 04 will come) and I agree that no one wrestler draws ppv buys or attendance anymore. And they way theyve booked JBLS title reign, it was obivous he wasnt losing until wm at the earliest. and sd had become an inferior show (as well as suffering from less niewership than raw) and TOO MANY DAMN PPVS I have ordered exactly 2 ppvs in the past year, wm xx and summerslam 04. I cant afford more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
