NCAA Basketball Tournament Thread

[Guest]

You never answered my Channing Frye question, and I have seen Oklahoma State play maybe 5-6 times outside of this tournament. Besides that, everything that OSU can do that you mentioned....run the court...etc., Arizona can do better.

 

And besides this tournament when have you seen Arizona play?

[Damaramu 0]

You never answered my Channing Frye question, and I have seen Oklahoma State play maybe 5-6 times outside of this tournament. Besides that, everything that OSU can do that you mentioned....run the court...etc., Arizona can do better.

 

And besides this tournament when have you seen Arizona play?

I saw them play in the Pac 10 tournament. And one of the games against UW.

I don't think Zona can do all of that better at all. Zona hasn't even played the competition that OSU has.

Frye? Graham can guard him easily. And I think Bobik could jump on him too.

[Guest]

You are a joke, I mean what are you thinking? Arizona hasn't played anyone? Last I checked, they played Wake Forest, Mississippi St, Utah, Marquette while ranked, and Washington twice. Those are some pretty good teams. If Bobik can guard Frye, then I can too.

[Damaramu 0]

You are a joke, I mean what are you thinking?  Arizona hasn't played anyone?  Last I checked, they played Wake Forest, Mississippi St, Utah, Marquette while ranked, and Washington twice.  Those are some pretty good teams.  If Bobik can guard Frye, then I can too.

Yeah and OSU has played some good teams too. Not to mention the Big XII is infinitely better than the Pac 10.

OSU fought through a murderous league while the only thing murderous in Arizona's league was UW.

I'm a joke? You're the blinded Zona fan that can't see how good OSU really is.

 

And I'm done. I'm just going to wait for the game. If OSU wins then yay. If they lose then oh well. It's not really anything to worry about or lose sleep over.

[Guest MikeSC]

I don't think the Big XII is infinitely better than the PAC-10 --- but OSU, just as last year, is my pick to win the whole thing. They are an amazingly good team.

-=Mike

[Guest]

I'm not a Zona fan, I wanted Gonzaga to win it all. Who has the 2 better teams in the Elite Eight, the Big XII or the Pac-10? I'm just curious for another opinion. I saw how mediocre OSU was at the half of the game today.

[Damaramu 0]

OSU has ALWAYS played better in the second half. They play close in the first half and they always leap on teams in the second half.

 

And the Big XII is a lot better than the Pac 10. I said it was the 3rd best conference. I think Cabbageboy said it was the best. I obviously don't think that and after the tourney I still don't think that. Especially with KU losing and OU getting bounced in the way they did.

It's funny that the two teams that won the regular season crown got bounced early but the two teams that had to actually face several Big XII teams in the span of a couple of days and then meet for the tourney title are the ones still in it.

But I think the top half of the Big XII(OSU, Kansas, OU) is better than the Pac 10 and not to mention that the competition is just better overall in the Big XII. You can have some easy nights on the road in the Pac 10. The only easy night on the road in the Big XII is at Baylor.

 

But really. We won't know until we watch the game. Strange things happen in this tournament. So it's useless to bicker over it.

[Guest]

I didn't say OSU was worse, it's a pure matchup problem, nothing more.

 

Hit me up on AIM if you want to discuss.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

Well MSU had a great weekend, a tough game against gritty ODU that I actually thought they were going to lose when Davis went out with his 4th foul with about 8 minutes to go (memory is hazy on the time). State pulled that one out only to see Vermont give them a gift in a victory over a team that I doubt they could have beaten in Syracuse. The game yesterday was never really in doubt despite Sorrentine shooting the lights out. Man that kid is a good shooter. I think maybe he is better shooting falling away or on the run than standing square to the basket. Taylor Coppenrath was nothing special, 5-23 due to excellent defensive pressure by Davis, Naymick and Trannon. Great game for MSU and now they get another chance at Duke. I predict that MSU has a great chance of winning that game as long as they can keep Reddick in check. He has been a killer against them in the past...

[Slayer 0]

Haha, the local sports radio guys are bending over backwards making excuses for Kansas losing

[cabbageboy 0]

I actually have Michigan St. over Duke in my bracket, so we'll see what will happen. In regards to U of L/Ga Tech I think U of L was favored by 1 going in but who knows or cares at this point. The wild part is we're also favored by 1 over Washington...when has THAT ever happened? A 4 seed (albeit not really a 4) favored over the 1? Actually I don't really like that to be honest, heh.

 

I took a look at Washington's results this year and it seemed eerily similar to Wake Forest....basically that's what they are, a West Coast Wake. All sorts of results where they were giving up 80-90 pts. a night (albeit not quite 100 like Wake, though Zaga got 99 on em). They avg. about 86 a game, U of L avgs. about 81. Thing is Wash gives up about 74 a night whereas U of L gives up 64 or so.

 

I know Washington beat Zona twice this year but I still think Zona is the more dangerous tourney team. When you have a guy who can go for 40 like Stoudamire you're a dangerous team. That's why I'd maybe pick them to beat OSU by maybe 3 pts.

 

I saw some of the Pacific game on Sat. and Pacific had the wrong idea totally. They seemed content with doing a run and gun style which is the wrong way to play Washington. You have to grind them in the half court, make them use some clock. U of L will likely bust out some 2-3 zone to this effect. I'm sure Pitino is studying tape of Stanford/Wash games this year.

 

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is this: Pitino is frightening in Sweet 16 games. Since his first FF with Providence you simply do not want to face this man in the round of 16. At UK I don't even recall a remotely close game in the Sweet 16, maiming the likes of UMass, Wake, Arizona St., Utah, and St. Joes.

 

Anyway I'm not going to talk shit about Washington, I'm just laying a few things out there. They're a good team.

[Guest Bobby K.]

ESPN Article Posted Today

 

I'll tell ya what, The Texas Tech Red Raiders performance in this tournament, in my opinion has been worthy of rejoicing. These guys have worked their asses off, busting brackets all over the country by beating a hell of a team in Gonzaga, and have gotten relatively little recognition for it. Well, i'll tell ya what. I'll be watching the game Vs. West Virginia, and God knows it is gonna be a barn-burner. Hell, they busted my bracket (though not completely) by beating Gonzaga in the 2nd round. As the article says though, The General is back on the march, and I for one LOVE IT.

[cabbageboy 0]

Actually Bobby my dad had TX Tech vs. WVU in his bracket, heh. He rationalized putting them over Zaga as thus: "I figure Knight will figure out some way to eek out a win he really shouldn't get." In my bracket I had WVU but not TX Tech. I really suck though, I only got about half of the Sweet 16. I had Illinois, OSU, U of L, WVU, UNC, Duke, and Michigan St. So I SUCK.

[bob_barron 0]

You say heh way too many times.

[Damaramu 0]

Haha, the local sports radio guys are bending over backwards making excuses for Kansas losing

Slayer I heard on my local radio that Kansas pretty much got what they deserved. They said it wasn't a case of them not being good enough. Which I don't think anyone on this forum will say Kansas didn't have the talent. They had tons of it.

But apparently they didn't have the heart. They didn't play inspired basketball. And they didn't buy into Bill Self. They didn't want to work hard.

I heard they basically played every game 5 on 2. Simien and Miles(or Langford can't remember which one they mentioned) against the whole other team.

And on top of that they all had a HUGE ego and thought they were all NBA talent when the only real NBA talent on the team was Simien.

 

Did you hear any of this locally?

 

And I dunno why everyone hates Bobby Knight so much. Yeah he's an ass and a tyrant. But he's hilarious and he really does teach his kids some good life lessons. If I were given the chance I'd play for Bob Knight.

[bob_barron 0]

But he's hilarious and he really does teach his kids some good life lessons.

 

Like the proper way to throw a chair?

[sfaJack 0]

More like graduating 100% (or damn near close to it) of his players.

[2GOLD 0]

The thing I love about Bobby is if you are an asshole to him, he'll be an asshole right back at you and break you down to a crying child. If the man could rap, I bet Bobby Knight could rule the Battle Rap scene.

 

Doubt they get to the Elite 8 but dammit, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Knight in Final Four=me caring about the Final Four for once in a long time.

[Guest Rrrsh]

The Big 10, much like the SEC are a bunch of chokers.

 

This year it was the ACC and the rest. The Pac 10 has the best two team of the confrences, the Big XII has a better middle and the Pac 10 has a better lower portion. But to say one is much better than teh other is just ignorant.

[Guest]

Exactly, to me they are very equal conferences in terms of overall talent.

[Damaramu 0]

More like graduating 100% (or damn near close to it) of his players.

That's what I was talking about. He'll either keep you in line or do his damndest to keep you in line.

 

And they were talking on Dan Patrick's show tonight about how Jay Bilas was sitting around with a bunch of NCAA coaches and he asked them if they had to prepare for 1 game then which coach would they have to it. And everyone said Bob Knight.

 

I've also seem some people made sick by the fact that Knight is probably going to be the all-time winningest coach.

[Guest Brian]

I've also seem some people made sick by the fact that Knight is probably going to be the all-time winningest coach.

 

You called?

[Damaramu 0]

I've also seem some people made sick by the fact that Knight is probably going to be the all-time winningest coach.

 

You called?

I don't count women's b-ball. The men's game is where it's at.

[cabbageboy 0]

Bob, I looked at the post you commented on...I said heh one time. Eh?

 

Anyway Kansas going down early is no shock really...I didn't pick a 3/14 upset but if someone forced me to I would pick Kansas. They never really put it together the entire year and there's always their history of tourney chokes.

[Damaramu 0]

Bob, I looked at the post you commented on...I said heh one time.  Eh?

 

Anyway Kansas going down early is no shock really...I didn't pick a 3/14 upset but if someone forced me to I would pick Kansas.  They never really put it together the entire year and there's always their history of tourney chokes.

It's like I said earlier. They tried to play 5 on 2 and Simien was really the only player on the team that gave a good god damn.

And JR Giddens. Don't get me started on what a waste of space he was this season. Bastard has the same name as me too.

[sfaJack 0]

I've also seem some people made sick by the fact that Knight is probably going to be the all-time winningest coach.

 

You called?

Do you seriously think Pat Summit and Dean Smith's win totals are really on the same level? It's like saying Van Chancellor has won more championships than Rudy Tomjanovich--while it might technically be correct strictly in a numbers sense, it's absurd to say because it's two completely different games.

 

Since when have men's and women's college bball stats been lumped together? Say the top women's scorer in a given season averaged 21.0 ppg and the leading men's scorer averaged 20.0 ppg. Would you say the top scoring average in college basketball is 21.0 ppg? No. You'd say the top scoring average in women's bball is 21, and 20 in men's bball. It's the same thing with this "record."

 

Pat Summit may be the Dean Smith of women's basketball, but to say that she's equal to Dean himself is insane, imo.

 

And do you think ESPN would say anything about Summit's "record" if they weren't broadcasting the Women's tournament? I doubt it. I haven't noticed her "record" getting much attention outside ESPN.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

The Big 10, much like the SEC are a bunch of chokers.

I disagree. The good Big 10 teams, the ones that actually belong in the tourney, won their games. Iowa and Minnesota did not belong in the tournament, and proved it by losing their games.

 

 

-edit- Keep that women's "basketball" nonsense out of this thread. It's absolutely absurd that people (read: ESPN) rank Summit alongside the men when talking about the best coaches ever. ITS NOT THE SAME GAME. If she had that many wins while coaching a men's team then so be it. Bottom line, it's just not the same.

[cabbageboy 0]

I don't think the SEC choked really, it just wasn't any good to begin with. But when you look at Bama jobbing to Milwaukee (who won the next round) it wasn't that shocking. Most on this forum know I thought Bama was a total fluke last year and that they wouldn't remotely repeat that performance.

 

Florida was never really a 4 seed in my view, they were about a 6-7 type seed that was the recipient of a UK tank job in the SEC finals. Although I had them getting to UNC, it doesn't shock me that Nova schooled them.

 

Miss St. did about all they really could, won an 8/9 game and jobbed out to Duke in decent fashion.

 

The biggest flop however was LSU. They are the 1 SEC team that truly fucked up. In fact I think John Brady should be fired over that shit they did in the UAB game. Let's see, you have a team with a huge size advantage with Bass and Davis going against an ultra fast team that runs and guns. So what do you do? Go out and jack up 3s and run with UAB and get down 25, then try to rely on Bass to get you back in it. Amazing, absolutely amazing.

[Guest Mosaicv2]

Hey guys, i'm back... which means NCAAB is back. GO TEXAS TECH!! because I fuckin' detest West Virginia.

[Alro 0]

Stupid CBS is sending Billy pACCer to Austin for commentary. After hearing him on the MSU/Duke game, CBS should bar him from commentating when an ACC team is playing.

 

 

That Aussie kid that plays for Utah has been talking some serious shit about tomorrow's UK/Utah game. He better bring his A game if he is going to back it up.