EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al...ar-future_x.htm Alomar's resume includes 2,724 hits, a .300 lifetime batting average, 474 stolen bases, 210 home runs, a .374 OBP, a .313/.381/.448 line in 230 postseason at bats (along with 20 steals in 22 attempts), 12 All-Star selections, and ten Gold Glove awards. Alomar is clearly a Hall of Famer. The class of 2010 is beginning to look good, with Alomar and Larkin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 I loved him as a Blue Jay, but after spitting on that umpire, I said fuck him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 The spitting incident better not prevent Alomar from being a first ballot HOFer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 He was playing for the Devil Rays -- When did this happen?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 The spitting incident better not prevent Alomar from being a first ballot HOFer. I'd laugh if it did. Just because it'll prove if the voters hold a grudge against you, then you are basically screwed. Because the veterans can't agree on soup or salad let alone on voting someone into the Hall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 Alomar will be voted in. He just deserves to be in on the 1st ballot, not the 2nd or 3rd, because of one dumb mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shadow Report post Posted March 19, 2005 With all the recent stupidity in sports, spitting in the face of a Umpire has likely fallen down the proverbial pole of offensivenss and I'm sure by 2010 it'd be hardly a issue. Alomar and Larkin would be a nice 2010 duo. Two of the best infielders of the 90's going in together... Ironically the "hat" issue is totally different, Larkin has one to choose from. Alomar has played for 7 teams (San Diego, Toronto, Baltimore, Cleveland, New York, CHW, Arizona). Im guessing it'll be Toronto as he played most years there and has his rings from that squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 Alomar just shouldn't wear a hat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 He's said he wants to go in as a Blue Jay if he's chosen, and I doubt the HOF would have a problem with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to make in on his first ballot, but I don't think Barry Larkin gets in his first time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 Alomar should go in as a Jay... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 I'll always hate Alomar just because I had to see Game 4 of the 1992 ALCS live in person and pretty much end that series. Here's a breakdown of what Alomar did with the Padres, Blue Jays, Orioles, and Indians who he all played at least three years with. San Diego: .283/.339/.379, 448 G, 1754 AB, 246 R, 497 H, 78 2b, 12 3b, 22 HR, 157 RBI, 148 BB, 231 K, 90 SB, 104 OPS+ Toronto: .307/.382/.451, 703 G, 2706 AB, 451 R, 832 H, 152 2b, 36 3b, 55 HR, 342 RBI, 322 BB, 291 K, 206 SB, 122 OPS+ Baltimore: .312/.382/.480, 412 G, 1588 AB, 282 R, 496 H, 102 2b, 7 3b, 50 HR, 210 RBI, 189 BB, 178 K, 44 Sb, 123 OPS+ Cleveland: .323/.405/.515, 471 G, 1748 Ab, 362 R, 564 H, 114 2b, 17 3b, 63 HR, 309 RBI, 243 BB, 249 K, 106 SB, 133 OPS+ There's definently an argument for him going in as an Indian since he was at his best there but Toronto was the only team he was with for more than three years. Playing on two World Champions there and having the biggest moment of his career (Game 4, '92 ALCS) I think will definently put him in as a Blue Jay by the voters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 Alomar should and will go in as a Blue Jay, but I just want to say he's one of my favorite Orioles ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2005 Alomar should go in with the old Blue Jays logo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2005 The spitting incident is a black mark against Alomar, no doubt. But it hardly personifies his entire career, as he had no similar black marks in his career. He was a fine gentleman who made a bad mistake. I don't think it is the kind of thing that pushes him across the HOF line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2005 I loved him as a Blue Jay, but after spitting on that umpire, I said fuck him... Yep. And he was intregal to the 92 and 93 World Series wins. I still mark out watching him hit that homerun in Game 4 of the ALCS and his arms raising. But I never forgave him. You gotta fuck up bad to be the overwhelming favourite for the Chicken Cannon(little Canadian humour). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARTYEWR 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2005 The spitting incident is a black mark against Alomar, no doubt. But it hardly personifies his entire career, as he had no similar black marks in his career. He was a fine gentleman who made a bad mistake. I don't think it is the kind of thing that pushes him across the HOF line. I believe that was also during the time when Alomar was being stalked by a crazed fan in Toronto. Very awkward time in Alomar's career, but hardly a time that represents his full career. There's other players who have done far worse than him. Sad to see him retire, as he was one of my favourite players when I was a young lad. However, I'm proud to have followed a great player like him and I'm even prouder that he helped lead my team to 2 World Championships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARTYEWR 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2005 I still mark out watching him hit that homerun in Game 4 of the ALCS and his arms raising. Against Oakland, right? I remember that, if I recall correctly, that was during Canadian Thanksgiving weekend. Back then, my family would eat Thanksgiving dinner on a Sunday, while watching playoff baseball on a black-and-white TV we still had kicking around. It was neat seeing black-and-white Alomar in celebration mode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2005 Yep. Thanksgiving Saturday off Eckersley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2005 The spitting incident is a black mark against Alomar, no doubt. But it hardly personifies his entire career, as he had no similar black marks in his career. He was a fine gentleman who made a bad mistake. I don't think it is the kind of thing that pushes him across the HOF line. He does have a black mark if New York writers have their say Heard a writer this morning say his last three years have caused him to rethink his qualifications Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2005 That's personal bias getting in the way. Most HOFamers, drop off near the end of their careers. Some do so at an earlier stage of their careers, but still most don't go out at an All-Star level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2005 That's personal bias getting in the way. Most HOFamers, drop off near the end of their careers. Some do so at an earlier stage of their careers, but still most don't go out at an All-Star level. I know, I just thought it should be added to the conversation, one of the few times I can ever think of this happening where a future HOFer will come to a town just as his career goes to pot, so when his career finally wraps up writers in that town think that he is no longer HOF worthy, when in a more national scope he still is quite a future HOFer Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted March 20, 2005 Wade Boggs' last 3 years weren't too impressive, but his career stats before that made him a shoe in for the HoF. Alomar may not be as great as Boggs was (different positions too, so it's a little unbalanced comparison), but he still had a great career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2005 He didn't reach the 3,000 hit milestone which the writers care so much about. The numbers easily make Alomar one of the games best 2nd basemen of all-time. That's how his HOF merits should be judged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2005 The spitting incident is a black mark against Alomar, no doubt. But it hardly personifies his entire career, as he had no similar black marks in his career. He was a fine gentleman who made a bad mistake. I don't think it is the kind of thing that pushes him across the HOF line. He does have a black mark if New York writers have their say Heard a writer this morning say his last three years have caused him to rethink his qualifications Steve I swear, some writers think that a player is only a Hall of Famer if he hit 600 home runs, pissed in a cup daily to prove his innocence, and cured cancer all in one career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2005 Someone needs to tell these jackass writers, that the numbers are supposed to merit who makes it and who doesn't get in. Alomar did drop-off, but not for a second, do I think any pompous writer who doesn't vote for Alomar is doing it because of that reason. Their sanctimonious assholes, make up their minds about someone and come hell or high water, will find away to make someone wait, even if it's undeserving. As for the spitting incident. What matters is that John Hirshbeck has forgiven Roberto Alomar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2005 People still hold a grudge against Alomar for that spitting thing??! Jesus Christ people, get over yourselves, he spit at someone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2005 It has no merit on whether he's a HOFamer or not. Besides, the only person who has any right ot hold a grudge against Alomar is John Hirshbeck, and he doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2005 I honestly had completely forgotten about the spitting thing until it was brought up again when he announced he was retiring. I'm not really worried that it'll keep him out of the Hall, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2005 Besides, the only person who has any right ot hold a grudge against Alomar is John Hirshbeck, and he doesn't. Touche. I guess I can't be bitter at him any more. Yes, he belongs in the hall. No doubt. 10 Golden Gloves? Ludicrous for him not to be there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
