The Minuteman Project

[The Czech Republic 0]

Assimilate = act like WASPs.

Or learn to speak English, as a failure to do so pretty well guarantees you an uncomfortable life.

-=Mike

Give it a few years and not speaking spanish will do you the same. Evolution! Ain't it a bitch????

Must be, sure left you behind

[Guest MikeSC]

The MMP just put out a new recruiting poster...

And some people think the radical left is clueless...

-=Mike

Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious "melting pot."

 

The result:  political, economic and social mayhem.

Historians will write about how a lax America let its unique and coveted form of government and society sink into a quagmire of mutual acrimony among the various sub-nations that will comprise the new self-destructing America.

Which is actually a valid complaint.

Valid or not, it's irrelevant to the discussion I was engaging in.

 

Seeing as how YOU brought it up (I did not), it is interesting that you're bitching about it.

Stephen Joseph said that:

The MMP is designed to showcase our lack of border security, create publicity, and hopefully lead to some change. That's it.

The quote from the MMP site suggests that the MMP's goals go beyond what SJ said.

The MMP aren't searching for publicity alone. They're also trying to express the problem with illegal immigration.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

My tolerance on the whole thing is kind of middling..

I'm pretty much the same way. You need to know enough English so that you don't put other in danger (example: can't read signs on an Interstate).

 

However, I think it should be mandatory that any chinese take-out restaurant should have a clear English-speaking person answering the phones...

[LessonInMachismo 0]

My tolerance on the whole thing is kind of middling..

I'm pretty much the same way. You need to know enough English so that you don't put other in danger (example: can't read signs on an Interstate).

 

However, I think it should be mandatory that any chinese take-out restaurant should have a clear English-speaking person answering the phones...

The old Chinese restaurant we used to go to when I was a kid had a microphone next to the register. You'd tell the person what you wanted and they'd YELL into the mic. It would go like this:

 

"I'd like...pork fried rice."

 

"PORK FRIED RICE!"

 

"...prawns..."

 

"PRAWNS!"

[Guest MikeSC]

To those who think this is not needed, keep in mind this:

Mexican agency keeps eye on immigrants

By Jerry Kammer

COPLEY NEWS SERVICE

 

April 12, 2005

 

AGUA PRIETA, Mexico – Hector Salazar's chases through the desert creosote and sagebrush west of here last week began like many encounters between illegal immigrants and the U.S. Border Patrol.

 

But Salazar works for the Mexican government. He cruises the rough dirt roads of the sprawling La Morita ranch in an orange pickup emblematic of Grupo Beta, the Mexican agency whose mission is to protect immigrants approaching the border, not to arrest them.

 

As he overtook a group of six young men filing north with small backpacks, he told them about the Minutemen who had taken up positions on a ridge a few hundred yards to the north, just beyond the barbed wire border fence.

 

"They're over there, observing you," he said, pointing to the sparks of sunlight that flashed off the cars and trucks of the volunteer civilian group that is here to spotlight what members call Washington's failure to control the border. The Minutemen waited in lawn chairs, binoculars scanning southward, cell phones ready to summon the Border Patrol.

 

"We recommend that you don't try to cross here," Salazar said. "The decision is yours, but it would be better to try somewhere else."

 

The men piled into the back of the truck for the half-hour ride back into town. It was a victory for Grupo Beta, which is under orders from Mexico City to help head off confrontations that could aggravate border tensions.

 

But Salazar also proved a point for Minuteman organizer James Gilchrist, who accuses Washington of failing to protect the border from illegal immigrants looking for work and terrorists looking for trouble.

 

"We're here to demonstrate that physical presence on the border will seal the border," said Gilchrist, who calls for a tripling of the Border Patrol to 30,000 agents.

 

Border expert Peter Andreas says there's nothing new to Gilchrist's claim. He says it was proven in San Diego a decade ago, when public outcry prodded Washington to mobilize Operation Gatekeeper.

 

"That was a high profile, in-your-face show of authority and force at the border," said Andreas, a Brown University professor and author of "Border Games," which says federal policy is as concerned with managing public perceptions as it is with managing illegal immigration.

 

While Gatekeeper proved successful at restoring calm "and placating voters" in San Diego County, Andreas and others are dubious about the prospects of sealing the entire 1,950-mile border. Much of it is desert valleys separated by rugged mountain ranges.

 

Just east and west of the San Pedro River Valley, where the Minutemen have set up lawn-chair observation posts in the last week along roads tame enough for satellite TV trucks, the mountainous terrain defies the Border Patrol's SUVs.

 

Even in the relative flatness of the valley, where the Border Patrol has a strong presence, smugglers often send one group forward to be arrested.

 

They know the paperwork and transportation will tie up agents long enough for them to send other groups right behind to rendezvous with a driver at a mile marker or near a culvert.

 

The traffic is intense, with the Border Patrol apprehending an average of 1,600 people a day along the Arizona line. A declaration by Robert Bonner, commissioner of the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection, that he had a "comprehensive strategy" to take "operational control" of the 387-mile Arizona border fell flat with Andreas.

 

"Ultimately it's more about domestic politics than about securing the border," he said.

 

He noted that immigration anxiety once confined to the border has gone nationwide over the past decade, as the nation's illegal immigrant population has soared to an estimated 10 million to 12 million.

 

"Suddenly, much of the United States is de facto border states," he said, an observation that explains why the Minuteman volunteers here came from across the country.

 

Last week, White House spokesman Scott McClellan responded to a question about the Minutemen with the claim that the Bush administration has "taken a lot of steps to better control our borders to prevent people who shouldn't be coming into this country from entering the country."

 

But while the administration can point to the expansion of the Border Patrol and to an array of surveillance tools, from motion sensors in the ground to unmanned vehicles in the air, virtually no effort has been made to turn off the magnet of the low-wage American workplace.

 

Three hours north of the Arizona-Mexico border, a few hundred yards from the interstate highway on which smugglers shuttle immigrants into Phoenix, the power of the job magnet to overwhelm border enforcement was on display Thursday morning along Avenida del Yaqui.

 

Two groups of illegal immigrants, there since dawn to look for a day's work, talked openly about their detours around the Border Patrol.

 

Hector Alvarez, 28, was surprised at how easy it was to come across near Nogales, where a smuggler charged him $1,100 for the trip to Phoenix.

 

"We just walked two hours" to a rendezvous with a car, he said. "Next time, I'll do it on my own."

 

Even in the heart of Douglas, a border town that has seen a Gatekeeper-like buildup in response to local unrest, smugglers make a mockery of the notion of "operational control."

 

The steel-rod border fence there is scarred by hundreds of lines of brownish-black welds, repairs to a barrier that smugglers saw through with blades they leave in the dust.

 

Congress' decades-long refusal to establish a reliable worker verification policy, its acceptance of a system in which immigrants use phony documents to pretend to be legal and employers pretend to believe them, keeps the exodus moving.

 

So last week, as a young Mexican from near Mexico City accepted a ride from Salazar after learning that the Minuteman planned to leave at the end of April, he waved at one of Salazar's colleagues and said, "See you next month."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/...1n12minute.html

So, the Mexican gov't is HELPING its citizens cross the border illegally.

 

Yeah, no need for the MMP.

-=Mike

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

NEED? Maybe. Will it help? Doubtful.

 

But hey, they can feel free to break the law and interfere with the BP if they like. Anarchy is a game we all can play.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

But hey, they can feel free to break the law...

Are you talking about the Minutemen or the Illegals?...

[Guest MikeSC]

NEED? Maybe. Will it help? Doubtful.

 

But hey, they can feel free to break the law and interfere with the BP if they like. Anarchy is a game we all can play.

Because the BP has done such AMAZING work so far...

-=Mike

[Vyce 0]

Assimilate = act like WASPs.

Or learn to speak English, as a failure to do so pretty well guarantees you an uncomfortable life.

-=Mike

Give it a few years and not speaking spanish will do you the same. Evolution! Ain't it a bitch????

Never going to happen. The country is overwhelmingly English and that isn't going to change.

You're right, it's not.

 

For now.

 

But in about 45 years, when the country is at least 50 percent Hispanic, things are likely going to change.

 

BTW, I like how Cheela has his panties in a twist because the MMP are "breaking the law" (when they aren't) and completely ignoring the illegal aliens (who are, ironically enough, the ones actually violating the law).

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

My panties are in a bunch? Over THIS? Pfft.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

BTW, I like how Cheela has his panties in a twist...

I wouldn't say he's getting his panties in a bunch. I just chalk it up to his horrid posting...

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Oh ok then. So they need to keep an eye out not only for illegals crossing the border but they ALSO have to keep a watchful eye on these yahoos? Oh just you wait til they start getting in the way of the people they DO find! You also just gotta KNOW that excess will eventually rear its ugly head when gun toting assholes just start saying fuck it and shoot people crossing. Hey, if some are willing to try and take Terry Shiavo by force, they'll be up for this too.

 

And since my panties are all in a bunch. I would like to add that I TOO think that beefing up the border IS a good idea. However, random idiots handing out t-shirts isn't going to help any. Good luck getting the president to act on it though. Not that Kerry would have done anything either. Which once again goes to show that Americans really DIDN'T have anybody worth voting for.

 

 

 

Horrid posting eh? Coming from a gem of a poster like you... I think my feelings are hurt.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Oh ok then. So they need to keep an eye out not only for illegals crossing the border but they ALSO have to keep a watchful eye on these yahoos?

Well one could say with the amount of illegals crossing the border that they are not keeping a watchful eye on them. Of course, I'd probably hate being a border patrol officer anyway, so part of me pities these poor souls that are in a no-win situation.

 

Horrid posting eh? Coming from a gem of a poster like you... I think my feelings are hurt.

 

It's OK skip, things will get better for you. They can't get much worse...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Yeah, no need for the MMP. 

      -=Mike

I think there's a need for the numbers the volunteers provide, and never said otherwise. I said I'm uncomfortable with just letting people play cowboy sherriff, holding no legal authority while capturing people.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Well, there is a thing called citizen's arrest. But then again they're not arresting citizens. Hmm, that's a tricky one...