Texas Legislators vote to ban gay foster parents

[Guest MikeSC]

There is no acceptable level.

 

However, 715 incidents in a population of 260+M is not something I lose sleep over.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

I'm sure you'll have no problems applying that rationale to other things which occur less than 300 times a year, but still seem to cause quite an uproar from folks on your side of the spectrum.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm sure you'll have no problems applying that rationale to other things which occur less than 300 times a year, but still seem to cause quite an uproar from folks on your side of the spectrum.

It's not anti-gay sentiment. It's just random people being evil.

 

You can't blame homophobia.

-=Mike

...Man, the justifications for the cult of Death work on EVERYTHING...

[SuperJerk 0]

I'm sure you'll have no problems applying that rationale to other things which occur less than 300 times a year, but still seem to cause quite an uproar from folks on your side of the spectrum.

It's not anti-gay sentiment. It's just random people being evil.

 

You can't blame homophobia.

-=Mike

...Man, the justifications for the cult of Death work on EVERYTHING...

Homophobia has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

 

Islam does.

 

There's the difference.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm sure you'll have no problems applying that rationale to other things which occur less than 300 times a year, but still seem to cause quite an uproar from folks on your side of the spectrum.

It's not anti-gay sentiment. It's just random people being evil.

 

You can't blame homophobia.

-=Mike

...Man, the justifications for the cult of Death work on EVERYTHING...

Homophobia has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

 

Islam does.

 

There's the difference.

Homophobia kills a shitload fewer people.

 

So, it's actually less harmful than Islam.

 

Wow.

-=Mike

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I'm sure you'll have no problems applying that rationale to other things which occur less than 300 times a year, but still seem to cause quite an uproar from folks on your side of the spectrum.

It's not anti-gay sentiment. It's just random people being evil.

 

You can't blame homophobia.

-=Mike

...Man, the justifications for the cult of Death work on EVERYTHING...

Homophobia has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

 

Islam does.

 

There's the difference.

Homophobia kills a shitload fewer people.

 

So, it's actually less harmful than Islam.

 

Wow.

-=Mike

This is ridiculously flawed logic, I hope you're just saying this to try to sound clever and you don't honestly believe this to be a legitimate way of thinking?

[Guest MikeSC]

No, I view BOTH as insanely useless and evil mentalities.

 

Islam just kills more people.

-=Mike

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Do you not recognize that anything can be twisted?

 

The majority of Catholics at the time of the Crusades believed that they should have gone through with it, that "God" told them to do it and that they should have slaughtered all those people. Do you think that this is the main tenet of Catholicism?

[Styles 0]

Do you not recognize that anything can be twisted?

 

The majority of Catholics at the time of the Crusades believed that they should have gone through with it, that "God" told them to do it and that they should have slaughtered all those people. Do you think that this is the main tenet of Catholicism?

That was Catholicism. Not Catholics. Or something...I don't know anymore...

[SuperJerk 0]

I'm sure you'll have no problems applying that rationale to other things which occur less than 300 times a year, but still seem to cause quite an uproar from folks on your side of the spectrum.

It's not anti-gay sentiment. It's just random people being evil.

 

You can't blame homophobia.

-=Mike

...Man, the justifications for the cult of Death work on EVERYTHING...

Homophobia has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

 

Islam does.

 

There's the difference.

Homophobia kills a shitload fewer people.

 

So, it's actually less harmful than Islam.

 

Wow.

-=Mike

This is ridiculously flawed logic, I hope you're just saying this to try to sound clever and you don't honestly believe this to be a legitimate way of thinking?

To recap, Mike's central thesis lately has been that Islam is a "death cult" and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Read more about it here.

[Guest MikeSC]

Do you not recognize that anything can be twisted?

 

The majority of Catholics at the time of the Crusades believed that they should have gone through with it, that "God" told them to do it and that they should have slaughtered all those people. Do you think that this is the main tenet of Catholicism?

At the time, it was. Simply because the only people who HAD the Bible was the Church.

 

Christianity was a useless, violent cult until the Reformation.

 

But, of course, things HAVE changed.

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

Fun bridge gapping topic: Which more resembles the Third Reich, Islamic or American law? GO!

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm sure you'll have no problems applying that rationale to other things which occur less than 300 times a year, but still seem to cause quite an uproar from folks on your side of the spectrum.

It's not anti-gay sentiment. It's just random people being evil.

 

You can't blame homophobia.

-=Mike

...Man, the justifications for the cult of Death work on EVERYTHING...

Homophobia has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

 

Islam does.

 

There's the difference.

Homophobia kills a shitload fewer people.

 

So, it's actually less harmful than Islam.

 

Wow.

-=Mike

This is ridiculously flawed logic, I hope you're just saying this to try to sound clever and you don't honestly believe this to be a legitimate way of thinking?

To recap, Mike's central thesis lately has been that Islam is a "death cult" and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Read more about it here.

Is that the thread where you completely lost your fucking mind?

 

Because that was some funny shit.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

Christianity was a useless, violent cult until the Reformation.

Well, at least now he's offending EVERYBODY.

[Guest MikeSC]

Christianity was a useless, violent cult until the Reformation.

Well, at least now he's offending EVERYBODY.

Reality tends to do that.

-=Mike

...Sorry, I forgot. We should NEVER judge actions. Just words...

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I disagree, I don't think that Christianity ever was what happened during the crusades, but there was a form of it that was distorted by the people in power. If one were to actually look at the Bible, the basis of Christianity, they would see that it did not condone the actions of the crusaders.

 

Similarly, if one were to look through the Qu'ran, they would see that it doesn't condone the actions taking place by "Islam" today. You can't judge a religion by it's followers, but by it's foundation.

 

Of course, if the Qu'ran *does* condone killing and murder and violence against infidels, then show me a quote and I will say that Islam is a death cult or whatever buzz term you were using.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Okay I was referring to what Mike said about Christianity before the Reformation, so many posts in between I felt I had to clarify. Said post is quoted below:

 

At the time, it was. Simply because the only people who HAD the Bible was the Church.

 

Christianity was a useless, violent cult until the Reformation.

 

But, of course, things HAVE changed.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

I disagree, I don't think that Christianity ever was what happened during the crusades, but there was a form of it that was distorted by the people in power. If one were to actually look at the Bible, the basis of Christianity, they would see that it did not condone the actions of the crusaders.

 

Similarly, if one were to look through the Qu'ran, they would see that it doesn't condone the actions taking place by "Islam" today. You can't judge a religion by it's followers, but by it's foundation.

 

Of course, if the Qu'ran *does* condone killing and murder and violence against infidels, then show me a quote and I will say that Islam is a death cult or whatever buzz term you were using.

It's not like you had an undercurrent of Christians who OPPOSED the Crusades. It was pretty damned popular. Christianity was fucked up, horribly, until Martin Luther came along.

 

The Koran OPENLY supports what they're doing. Do you think the "72 virgins" thing was invented? The Koran is an insanely violent text.

-=Mike

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Just give me a passage, find something that I can see from it firsthand, not you telling me about it because until then it's simply your word against John Q. Mohammed's.

 

Speaking of which, that's the only thing I don't get about Islam, it's almost like they're ALL named after Mohammed. It's not like all Christians are named Jesus, or are Buddhists named Buddha, etc. I once knew a guy named Mohammed BUTT. Pretty funny.

[SuperJerk 0]

The Koran OPENLY supports what they're doing. 

 

Muhhamed did not condone violence towards Christians or Jews.

[Styles 0]

The Koran OPENLY supports what they're doing. Do you think the "72 virgins" thing was invented? The Koran is an insanely violent text.

Muhhamed did not condone violence towards Christians or Jews.

Too bad Muslims don't listen to him...

[Guest MikeSC]

Just give me a passage, find something that I can see from it firsthand, not you telling me about it because until then it's simply your word against John Q. Mohammed's.

 

Speaking of which, that's the only thing I don't get about Islam, it's almost like they're ALL named after Mohammed. It's not like all Christians are named Jesus, or are Buddhists named Buddha, etc. I once knew a guy named Mohammed BUTT. Pretty funny.

THE KORAN ON JEWS

"3.112" : Abasement is made to cleave to them (the Jews) wherever they are

found, except under a covenant with Allah and a covenant with men, and they

have become deserving of wrath from Allah, and humiliation is made to cleave

to them; this is because they disbelieved in the communications of Allah and

slew the prophets unjustly; this is because they disobeyed and exceeded the

limits.

 

"5.51" : O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for

friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them

for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the

unjust people.

 

"5.82" : Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for

those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are ΠpolytheistsΠ, and

you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to

be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and

monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

 

"9.30" : And the Jews say: ΠUzairΠis the son of Allah; and the

Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of

their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may

Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! From the ΠHadithΠ, a body of

traditions relating to Mohammed and now supplemental to the Koran: He (Abu Œ

HurayahΠ) reported the messenger of Allah as saying: The last hour will not

come before the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, so that

Jews will hide behind stones and trees and the Stone and the tree will say,

O Muslim, O servant of God! There is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

The only exception will be the box-thorn for it is one of the trees of the

Jews. SahihŒ of Muslim , quoted by Israel and the Prophecies of Al Œ QuranŒ

by Ali Akbar, ΠBismiΠPublishers 1992, p.44) (Palestinian Media Watch in

Israel reported in July 2001 that at least four times in recent months

Palestinian religious leaders had taught publicly that this Œ HadithŒ

(Islamic traditions attributed to Mohammed) is an authoritative directive of

Islam today, expressing Allah¹s will that obedient Muslims kill Jews). (In

the terminology of Islam, unbelievers are Jews and Christians)

 

 

THE KORAN ON CHRISTIANS

 

"4.156-158" : And for their unbelief and for their having uttered against Œ

MariumΠa grievous calumny. And their saying: Surely we have killed the

Messiah, Isa son of ΠMariumΠ, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill

him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most

surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no

knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him

not for sure. Nay! +Z&- Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty,

Wise.

 

4.171" : O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion,

and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah,

Isa son of ΠMariumΠis only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He

communicated to ΠMariumΠand a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah

and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is

only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever

is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is

sufficient for a Protector.

 

"5.14" : And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but

they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited

among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will

inform them of what they did.

 

"5.18" : And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and

His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults? Nay,

you are mortals from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He

pleases and chastises whom He pleases; and Allah's is the kingdom of the

heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the eventual

coming.

 

5.51" : O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for

friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them

for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the

unjust people.

 

"5.69" : Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Œ SabiansŒ

and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good

they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

 

"5.72" : Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah,

son of ΠMariumΠand the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my

Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then

Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there

shall be no helpers for the unjust.

 

"5.73" : Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third

(person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they

desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those

among them who disbelieve.

 

"5.82" : Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for

those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are ΠpolytheistsΠ, and

you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to

be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and

monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

 

"9.30" : And the Jews say: ΠUzairΠis the son of Allah; and the

Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of

their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may

Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

 

"17.111" : And say: (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son

and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save

Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him).

 

18.1-5" : (All) praise is due to Allah, Who revealed the Book to His servant

and did not make in it any crookedness. Rightly directing, that he might

give warning of severe punishment from Him and give good news to the

believers who do good that they shall have a goodly reward, Staying in it

for ever; And warn those who say: Allah has taken a son. They have no

knowledge of it, nor had their fathers; a grievous word it is that comes out

of their mouths;they speak nothing but a lie. .C*1

 

"19.88-92" : And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son.

Certainly you have made an abominable assertion. The heavens may almost be

rent thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in

pieces, that they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God. And it is not worthy

of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son.

 

 

THE KORAN ON JIHAD

 

"5.33" : The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle

and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be

murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on

opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for

them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous

chastisement,

 

"8.38" : Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past

shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the

ancients has already passed.

 

"8.39" : And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion

should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what

they do.

 

"9.5" : So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters

wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in

wait for them in every ambush,then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay

the poor-rate, leave their way free to them;surely Allah is Forgiving,

Merciful.

 

"9.29" : Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor

do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the

religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay

the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of

subjection.

 

"9.30" : And the Jews say: ΠUzairΠis the son of Allah; and the Christians

say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths;

they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy

them; how they are turned away!

 

"9.36" : Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's

ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these

four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to

yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheistsΠall together as they

fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against

evil).

 

"9.73" : O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites

and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the

destination.

 

"9.123" : O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to

you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who

guard (against evil).

 

Quotations from the Koran are from M. H. ΠShakirΠ's translation of the

Holy Œ Qur'anŒ , as published by Œ TahrikeŒ , P'/ TarsileŒ Qur'anŒ , Inc., Œ

P.O.ΠBox 1115, Elmhurst, New York 11373 @<2 (Internet electronic version).

The references give chapter and verse. A good translation is also The

Meaning of the Glorious Koran by Marmaduke ΠPickthallΠ(Dorset Press, New

York) ISBN 0-88029-209-1 @`2 !

 

Koran misc. quotes re: Violence/killing, Israel, Jesus/prophet, Keeping/breaking promises, etc

 

The Women section:

[4.34] and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

 

[4.88] What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him. [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

 

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

 

[4.101] And when you journey in the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress, surely the unbelievers are your open enemy. surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for the unbelievers. [4.103] Then when you have finished the prayer, remember Allah standing and sitting and reclining; but when you are secure (from danger) keep up prayer; surely prayer is a timed ordinance for the believers. [4.104] And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

 

The Dinner Table section:

[5.17] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely, Allah-- He is the Messiah, son of Marium. Say: Who then could control anything as against Allah when He wished to destroy the Messiah son of Marium and his mother and all those on the earth?

 

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

 

The Accessions:

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. [8.13] This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Apostle-- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil). [8.14] This-- taste it, and (know) that for the unbelievers is the chastisement of fire. [8.15] O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. [8.16] And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day-- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company-- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be. [8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

 

[8.29] O you who believe! If you are careful of (your duty to) Allah, He will grant you a distinction and do away with your evils and forgive you; and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.

 

[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

 

[8.55] Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

 

[8.59] And let not those who disbelieve think that they shall come in first; surely they will not escape. [8.60] And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.

 

*(This next section is very interesting, since this was on papers that they found from at least one of the hijackers from 9-11.)

 

[8.65] O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand. [8.66] For the present Allah has made light your burden, and He knows that there is weakness in you; so if there are a hundred patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand they shall overcome two thousand by Allah's permission, and Allah is with the patient. [8.67] It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires (for you) the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. [8.68] Were it not for an ordinance from Allah that had already gone forth, surely there would have befallen you a great chastisement for what you had taken to. [8.69] Eat then of the lawful and good (things) which you have acquired in war, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

 

The Immunity section:

[9.3] ..and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve. [9.4] Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty). [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

 

[9.20] Those who believed and fled (their homes), and strove hard in Allah's way with their property and their souls, are much higher in rank with Allah; and those are they who are the achievers (of their objects).

 

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. {Islamic faith} [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! [9.31] They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one God only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him). [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

 

[9.63] Do they not know that whoever acts in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, he shall surely have the fire of hell to abide in it? That is the grievous abasement.

 

[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.

 

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

 

The Children of Israel section:

[17.16] And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction. [17.17] And how many of the generations did We destroy after Nuh! and your Lord is sufficient as Knowing and Seeing with regard to His servants' faults.

 

[17.22] Do not associate with Allah any other god, lest you sit down despised, neglected.

 

[17.33] And do not kill any one whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause

 

About God not having a Son:

[19:88] Those who say the Lord of mercy has begotten a Son preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a Son to the merciful, when it did not become Him to beget one.

 

Yup, I don't see any violence here.

 

And some gems, courtesy of Marney:

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...=0entry976690

-=Mike

...Now, feel free to point out the violence in Jesus' teaching...

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

There are a lot of contradictory things in the Bible, but it is not really contradictory so much as it is just misunderstood. Being a Christian myself I believe this, as it's all about context.

 

Of course, you posted a lot, so I'll probably get into it tomorrow or something, I'd like to know the context of such verses. I mean, I can look on google and find anti-Christian things that claim all sorts of bullshit on how it condoned rape and a bunch of other shit that ain't true.

 

I don't know if what you quoted can also be explained, but I'll look into it tomorrow.

 

Night.

[SuperJerk 0]

The Koran OPENLY supports what they're doing. Do you think the "72 virgins" thing was invented? The Koran is an insanely violent text.

Muhhamed did not condone violence towards Christians or Jews.

Too bad Muslims don't listen to him...

Some didn't, but many did.

[Guest MikeSC]

There are a lot of contradictory things in the Bible, but it is not really contradictory so much as it is just misunderstood. Being a Christian myself I believe this, as it's all about context.

 

Of course, you posted a lot, so I'll probably get into it tomorrow or something, I'd like to know the context of such verses. I mean, I can look on google and find anti-Christian things that claim all sorts of bullshit on how it condoned rape and a bunch of other shit that ain't true.

 

I don't know if what you quoted can also be explained, but I'll look into it tomorrow.

 

Night.

Considering that, to Christians, the New Testament is the truth --- no, there isn't a heck of a lot of contradiction.

 

Jesus' sacrifice gave all of us the chance for redemption.

Of course, you posted a lot, so I'll probably get into it tomorrow or something, I'd like to know the context of such verses. I mean, I can look on google and find anti-Christian things that claim all sorts of bullshit on how it condoned rape and a bunch of other shit that ain't true.

And if you can find New Testament verses, feel free.

Some didn't, but many did.

Yes, they did. Which had to led some serious genocide as of late.

 

Islam isn't peaceful or non-violent.

-=Mike

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Yes, they did. Which had to led some serious genocide as of late.

 

I would venture to guess that the great vast majority of the world's Muslims have never committed such an act.

 

Like I said, there are parts to Islam which I deplore, but that doesn't make it a "death cult" or "only about death".

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Yes, they did. Which had to led some serious genocide as of late.

I would venture to guess that the great vast majority of the world's Muslims have never committed such an act.

 

Like I said, there are parts to Islam which I deplore, but that doesn't make it a "death cult" or "only about death".

Most members of the Nazi party didn't kill Jews personally.

 

Somehow, it doesn't really cleanse the taint, does it?

 

Most members of Communist parties didn't actively slaughter opponents.

 

Not really a defense, is it?

 

There are parts of Islam I hate and nothing I find redeemable. It's a Cult of Death.

-=Mike

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Most members of the Nazi party didn't kill Jews personally.

OMFG NAZI COMPARISON~!!!!!!!!!11111

 

 

Most members of Communist parties didn't actively slaughter opponents.

 

Not really a defense, is it?

 

If someone's a Communist, it just means they subscribe to an outdated and disproven economic theory, not that they're a bad person.

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Most members of Communist parties didn't actively slaughter opponents.

 

Not really a defense, is it?

If someone's a Communist, it just means they subscribe to an outdated and disproven economic theory, not that they're a bad person.

BWA HA HA HA.

 

If somebody is a Communist, they're willing advocates of a government style that led to more deaths than ANY single government style in recorded history.

-=Mike

...If somebody is still a Communist, they're the most detestable forms of life out there...

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If somebody is a Communist, they're willing advocates of a government style that led to more deaths than ANY single government style in recorded history.

 

The governemnt style isn't what killed those people, it was the evil people in charge of it who had those people killed. The only evil which communism inherently condones is the confiscation of property (which they would rationailze is not evil at all).

 

Sorry those distinctions seem to be casualties of your desire to blanket the world with broad generalizations.