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[The Czech Republic 0]

You act like I said Communism is a successful ideology. What I said was that if the ideals happened, without all the bad stuff and atrocities and killings and walls and so on that always happen instead, it would be a pretty pleasant time for all.

No it wouldn't. People like having things. I can't put a positive spin on government control of agriculture and industry, but I guess that's what makes you special.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I can't put a positive spin on government control of agriculture and industry

Well, that was previously addressed. Almost sort of doesn't matter, though, since we're talking about such an impossible occurance.

[Styles 0]

What is this "pure Communism" without the violence and dictatorship bullshit!? Am I the only one who has actually read the Communist Manifesto!? Violence is an INTEGRAL part of the "pure" Communist plan. It's essential. So is the dictatorship which it is specifically addressed is used to suspend all civil liberties and basically kill all the capitalists and dissenters. Then the remaining generations will be born without a "false consciousness" (basically assuming human nature is contructed by your enviornment and not essentialist and inherent). Communism is an awful, awful idea. And anyone who proposes they like the idea of Marx's Communism before Stalin and Castro and friends "perverted" it, they have no idea what they're talking about and don't know the first thing about Marx or the Communist Manifesto...

[Special K 0]

I just want to say Stalin had some awesomely evil quotes. He was like a villain on a radio serial.

 

Also this thread remins me of commujism dot com. Great site.

[Styles 0]

"Power flows from the barrel of a gun" is real good.

[Special K 0]

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.

 

The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic.

 

The Pope? How many divisions has he got?

 

When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.

 

 

 

Holy crap.

[Guest MikeSC]

"Power flows from the barrel of a gun" is real good.

Was it Stalin who said "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"?

-=Mike

[The Czech Republic 0]

Paul Reiser, actually

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.

That's pretty fucking badass.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

And anyone who proposes they like the idea of Marx's Communism before Stalin and Castro and friends "perverted" it, they have no idea what they're talking about and don't know the first thing about Marx or the Communist Manifesto...

Well, I think I both failed to communicate my ideas clearly and got my words twisted around a bit.

 

I'm no fan of highly oppressive governments. I was specifically talking about the phase of Communism that never really comes to pass, wherein everything is the property of the community instead of an organized state.

 

I never meant to give the impression that I thought the road was pretty.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

So are you speaking of socialism?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

So are you speaking of socialism?

No, socialism is when the government owns everything.

 

Communism in it's unattainable idealistic form is the government handing the populace control over everything and then winking out of existance.

[NoCalMike 0]

inverting "gay" back into this thread. An amendment to say change the CA constitution to say two consenting adults can be married is working it's way through CA courts.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

inverting "gay" back into this thread

As you are wont to do.

 

 

 

...sorry, it was too easy

[Styles 0]

Communism is so gay.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

inverting "gay" back into this thread. An amendment to say change the CA constitution to say two consenting adults can be married is working it's way through CA courts.

Hasn't CA tried to make gay marriage/civil unions legal via referendums?

 

If that can't get passed in CA, then it will be sometime before Jobber and his man can "legally" shack up...

[Perfxion 0]

He will move to Connecticut where Civil Unions are legal and the law has passed.

 

Or he isn't gay and just fights for the freedoms and liberty of people.

[Vyce 0]

He will move to Connecticut where Civil Unions are legal and the law has passed.

 

Or he isn't gay and just fights for the freedoms and liberty of people.

I don't know if we've ever definitively established Jobber's sexuality. I thought he had stated that he was gay at one point, but he's also expressed some heterosexual comments on this forum as well. I think he might be bisexual. But that doesn't really make him that special. Hell, everyone's a little bit bi.

 

And before any of you ask, why does his sexuality interest me? It's because I'm a gossip and a busy-body, quite frankly.

 

And I want to know if he's hot or not.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I am everything and nothing at once. I would like to live with someone eventually, but am not really interested in sex. So my bitching about things like the state law to prevent putting dick in BUTT is just me getting upset about government being where it shouldn't belong. Ditto marriage, where I think it's got to keep it's profile minimal.

 

Having watched my family divorce and seeing how ugly that gets, I don't think I'll ever be interested in marrying anyone, myself.

 

To answer the sexuality question, I find certain qualities of men and women to both be sexy, but again, actual intercourse is very low on my list of priorities. I did once find a person I would have felt comfortable spending the rest of my life with, and that person was another male, but that relationship got ripped up after one really great year because his fundie parents found out and made themselves a potential force for ruining my life.

[Slayer 0]

I am everything and nothing at once.

More vagueness please!

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Well, I edited it with more juicy info, but I forgot the vague stuff. Sorry.

[Vyce 0]

To answer the sexuality question, I find certain qualities of men and women to both be sexy, but again, actual intercourse is very low on my list of priorities.

Alas, then, we could never be together.

[Guest MikeSC]

Would that make him Kerry/Edwards gay or Bush/Prince Abdullah gay?

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

What is this "pure Communism" without the violence and dictatorship bullshit!? Am I the only one who has actually read the Communist Manifesto!? Violence is an INTEGRAL part of the "pure" Communist plan.

I'm trying hard to think of a political philosophy that doesn't incorporate violence to some degree.

 

Communism is an awful, awful idea. And anyone who proposes they like the idea of Marx's Communism before Stalin and Castro and friends "perverted" it, they have no idea what they're talking about and don't know the first thing about Marx or the Communist Manifesto...

 

Some of problems with Communism in Russia and Cuba is that it was imposed by a tiny minority on an agricultural society. That's not what the system was ever intended to be.

 

That's not to say that even under the conditions that Marx actually described, communism was either (a) a workable plan, or (b) contrary to human nature. Its failure as a system was and is inevitable.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is that the idea behind communism, people working collectively for the good of society without ownership, is more misguided than evil. However that theory, as we well know, is unworkable without some major acts of evil to back it up.

[Styles 0]

OK, all I'm saying is I hate it when idiots try to make it sound like Marx had this hippie utopian dream of everyone giving up property and living peacefully together before all the dictators ruined his vision when the actual Manifesto itself specifically talks about such violence and supression as being mandatory parts of the process...

[SuperJerk 0]

OK, all I'm saying is I hate it when idiots try to make it sound like Marx had this hippie utopian dream of everyone giving up property and living peacefully together before all the dictators ruined his vision when the actual Manifesto itself specifically talks about such violence and supression as being mandatory parts of the process...

If you carefully examine Stalin's regime, you can see that he was trying to follow Marx to the letter.

 

Even Lenin realized towards the end that Marx's ideas were unworkable, but it was only after it was too late to reverse the damage.

 

I think the basic ideas of communism are more stupid than evil, but the execution of communism (even according to Marx) is definitely evil.

 

Even as fucked up as it is, I have a hard time pointing to communism as unabashedly evil, though, because it was based on idealistic goals.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I am everything and nothing at once.

I think we've made a love connection...

 

 

So, how ya' doin'?...

[Slayer 0]

Hey John, why the long face?

 

Hahaha...

[LessonInMachismo 0]

I am everything and nothing at once.

I think we've made a love connection...

 

 

So, how ya' doin'?...

 

 

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