After last night, can we finally end the myth

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Batista is going to Smackdown, so it's moot.

 

And who is going to remain *the* guy on Raw?  Hmmm.

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Cena?

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I'll reserve judgment until tonight about that.

 

CCC? HBK? Y2J?

 

Ha!

 

Yeah. Another one of my bad attempts at a joke. Sorry for the eyesore.

[Black Lushus 0]

what do you mean re-establish with the different brand's crowd? they're the same crowd, no?

[pochorenella 0]

Booker T is another feud that sickened me, since HHH did all this racist crap to Booker and never had to pay for it, never lost the title to him, etc.  Just jobbing to him at WM or ONCE would have made this less pathetic.

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HHH did job to Booker twice that year. Once before Mania and at least another time after, both in tag matches. Booker pinned him cleanly IIRC.

[Guest Coffey]

what do you mean re-establish with the different brand's crowd?  they're the same crowd, no?

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No, they're not. I've read that most people whom watch Raw don't watch Smackdown and vice versa. Hell, personally, I can't even get UPN. So, unless I download it, I can't even watch Smackdown.

 

People know who the wrestlers are and shit, due to brand PPV's and commercials and whatnot, but the audiences are different. Hell, Raw can show a lot of shit that Smackdown can't. Especially in the second hour.

 

Two different beasts.

[Black Lushus 0]

yeah, it was part of the buildup to his big match at WM19, just another step in making Booker T's loss in that much more shitty looking...in order for Book to have been put over, he needed to win the Mania match and then lost the belt to someone NOT named Triple H...

[SuperJerk 0]

Although HHH will put some guys over, please note that one list still is a little longer than the other...

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Because you REALLY wanted Orton and Eugene in the main event?

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Not particularly, but that doesn't change the fact that Triple H buried them at a time the company needs new stars.

[iggymcfly 0]

Although HHH will put some guys over, please note that one list still is a little longer than the other...

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Because you REALLY wanted Orton and Eugene in the main event?

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Not particularly, but that doesn't change the fact that Triple H buried them at a time the company needs new stars.

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And I suppose Brock Lesnar buried Zach Gowen?

 

I mean, really, Eugene was a gimmick wrestler, he was an entertaining distraction for a few months, but he was never going to be a huge star in the WWE. If you want to blame HHH for what happened to Booker or RVD, that's arguable, but blaming him for Eugene is just ridiculous.

[Enigma 0]

Actually, Batista's been around for 3 years.

 

He debuted in April 2002.

[Angle-plex 0]

I'll wait to give props to Hunter until a few weeks from now. Batista can beat Triple H all he wants - it's not going to make a difference until Batista is in the TOP feud of the show with the most TV time.

 

So if Hunter opens up the show with another long, repetitive promo, and move on to a feud with someone other than Batista that is the "main" feud of the show, I'm afraid I can't give Hunter the thumbs up.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

And even if he concedes the spotlight to Batista, it doesn't make up for all the crap he's pulled in the past 4+ years.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

Waah, waah, waah. Triple H put Batista over THREE times clean, in three PPV main events, the third one being "his match", and now Batista will move to SD away from HHH and never give him his jobs back.

 

How isn't that putting him over!?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

As HTQ has pointed out many times, putting someone over requires the loser to lose his spot to the guy he put over. HHH isn't going to do such thing. All he is doing is shuffling Batista off to SD so he doesn't have to lose his spot. This is IF Batista does go over to SD. It's still entirely possible that Batista stays on Raw and starts losing to HHH.

[Enigma 0]

I'm still bitter about Booker and RVD having their careers ruined.

 

Fuck HHH.

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I'm still bitter about Booker and RVD having their careers ruined.

 

Fuck HHH.

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That was definitely terrible, but that doesn't compare to HHH's numerous burials to Jericho for so long that his main-event credibility has been shot to hell for the past few years now.

[SuperJerk 0]

Although HHH will put some guys over, please note that one list still is a little longer than the other...

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Because you REALLY wanted Orton and Eugene in the main event?

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Not particularly, but that doesn't change the fact that Triple H buried them at a time the company needs new stars.

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And I suppose Brock Lesnar buried Zach Gowen?

 

The Gowen/Lesnar comparison holds no water because of the gigantic size difference between the two guys.

 

I mean, really, Eugene was a gimmick wrestler, he was an entertaining distraction for a few months, but he was never going to be a huge star in the WWE. If you want to blame HHH for what happened to Booker or RVD, that's arguable, but blaming him for Eugene is just ridiculous.

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That doesn't mean you have to bury the guy.

 

Eugene was getting over as a "freakishly strong" (their words) mentally handicapped guy who was on a winning streak. What's Triple H do? Beats him at Summerslam (ending his streak), which was fair enough because Triple H should be a better wrestler...BUT THEN he totally destroys him in a cage match on Raw not long afterwards in which Eugene got in ZERO offense.

 

That was just uncalled for.

[Dark Age 0]

Didn't we do this with Benoit last year? We'll do it with someone else next year, too.

[Guest *KNK*]

I think the fun part is taking bets on who plays this role next year.

 

I got my money on Benjamin or whoever is the next OVW hoss.

[Guest Robot Bastard]

Waah, waah, waah. Triple H put Batista over THREE times clean, in three PPV main events, the third one being "his match", and now Batista will move to SD away from HHH and never give him his jobs back.

 

How isn't that putting him over!?

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Because "losing to" isn't the same as "putting over".

[Twisted Intestine 0]

Waah, waah, waah. Triple H put Batista over THREE times clean, in three PPV main events, the third one being "his match", and now Batista will move to SD away from HHH and never give him his jobs back.

 

How isn't that putting him over!?

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Because "losing to" isn't the same as "putting over".

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Ok. But I still don't see what more HHH can do, besides stepping down from his spot completely. I know that's what everyone wants him to do, but I wouldn't expect any wrestler to do so. I'd blame the higher up powers for being his bitch.. of course he wants to be on top. He still helped Batista, Benoit, and arguably Benjamin advance their careers recently, without sabotaging his own.

[Guest Robot Bastard]

My biggest problem is how the focus was never on Batista. HHH was the one getting the opening interviews, and closing shows. He's the one making challenges and doing what the hell he wants.

 

There's never a focus on how HHH lost to X, or how X destroyed HHH. It's all but forgotten, in fact. The one exception would be Benoit's win at Mania, but there's more to that.

 

HHH has a habit of always coming back for more. If he loses, he gets a rematch. This is repeated until he gets the win. His jobs are either safe, such as vs. Benoit in the instantly forgotten Gold Rush tournament (which was barely mentioned again), or downplayed.

 

After he beat Benoit for, I believe, the first time in February or so, he came out to face Batista and gave some long winded promo about how he'd put Benoit to rest, as if all Benoit's previous wins were nullified. And despite Benoit's howevermany wins over HHH, look at their respective positions on the card now.

 

HHH overshadows everyone else, because he's allowed to. Even when he loses, he's the one to tell us about it and put it down, rather than the victor. Nobody else stands a chance getting over to his level.

[iggymcfly 0]

When has a major star ever just "dropped down to the midcard and given up his spot" after he was at the absolute elite level. Rock left after losing to Brock, but it wasn't to go to the midcard, it was because he wanted to make movies. HBK left after losing his spot to Austin, but it was only because his back was broken.

 

If a guy "drops down to the midcard" after being at the main event level, it's usually because he wasn't over enough to be a main eventer in the first place and the office is trying to pull back on his push. I'm not saying that HHH should be wrestling for the world title next month, but he should be in some main event level feud. (In a perfect world, he'd take on someone like Undertaker at Summerslam.)

[Guest Robot Bastard]

When has the business been hot with one top heel disposing of face after face?

[SuperJerk 0]

When has the business been hot with one top heel disposing of face after face?

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Ric Flair in NWA?

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

When RAW starts to become the Batista show and not the HHH show, then I'll say HHH put him over.

 

I will say HHH has 'made' Batista up to this point, and he's done a ton of good for the guy. But the focus still isn't about Batista its about HHH.

 

I want to see HHH lose to a guy a few times and then take a total back seat tot hem on RAW. He should do that with Cena, but we'll see.

[Guest Robot Bastard]

When has the business been hot with one top heel disposing of face after face?

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Ric Flair in NWA?

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As great as your username is, the NWA was more than just the flavor of the month vs. Flair each time.

[Guest Coffey]

When has a major star ever just "dropped down to the midcard and given up his spot" after he was at the absolute elite level.

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Andre "The Giant?"

[Guest Robot Bastard]

When has a major star ever just "dropped down to the midcard and given up his spot" after he was at the absolute elite level.

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Andre "The Giant?"

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Mick Foley, kind of

[Guest *KNK*]

Undertaker.

 

He drops back to the mid-card all the time.

[Guest Brian]

It doesn't have to be dropping down. I said earlier that HHH needed t bring somewhat up to his stature and establish them, thus putting them "over" (the metaphor would be "over the mountain" or something like that). Triple H's job have to have value in solidifying that person as a main eventer. HHH doesn't have to step down, he merely has to stand to the side. There is room for more than one in the spotlight.

[NoCalMike 0]

When Triple H loses to someone and does not either A) get an immediate rematch, b) stay somehow in the title picture, c)still command the opening interview, the focus of the show, and the ME fued on Raw, then maybe he will have truly put someone over. Winning and losing is all just a formality in Prowrestling where even the Mark McSmark knows it is predetermined.