Edge's "rise to the top": Kane, Hardy, Lita, etc..

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This is something of a continuation of the following thread, where Edge's rise to the top, his feud involving Kane and Lita, and all of that, was just barely touched on:

 

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?showtopic=71582

 

As I said in that thread, to me, Edge has been nothing more than a pawn in a feud, not an actual player. We've been watching a Kane/Lita feud, not a Kane/Edge feud. From the very start of this thing, it's always been all about Kane/Lita, with Edge simply being the guy that Lita left Kane for. It could have been anyone else, and only ended up being Edge because of the stuff that was going on behind the scenes.

 

Like I said, I'd compare the Kane/Lita/Edge deal to that of HHH/Steph/Jericho, and I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

 

They had Kane beat Edge on a PPV, cleanly mind you, and now at this past RAW when Edge/Kane was taking place one again, it ended after Kane took off after Snitsky (which I assume means they will now be in a program together), and Hardy attacked Edge, speaking out against him, Lita, and WWE as a whole. So from the look of things, this entire Edge/Kane deal is pretty much over, with Kane more than likely moving on and the same for Edge.

 

Is it now safe to say that Edge lost that feud, a feud that he needed to win in my eyes if he was to continue his rise to the top? Edge has gone from the guy that everyone thought was going to challenge Cena for the world title at the second biggest PPV of the year, and possibly winning, to now more than likely fighting Hardy in a grudge match of sorts. I'm perfectly fine with this, but once again Edge has been cut short. Though I admit, it's for good reason this time.

 

What we have for SummerSlam now is this:

 

Kane vs. Snitsky

 

Edge vs. Hardy

 

Cena vs. Jericho (for the WWE Title)

 

 

To even go an extra step in all of this, I wouldn't be surprised for the Edge/Hardy match to be saddled with a few stipulations. Perhaps something where if Edge wins Hardy is banned from WWE for life, and if Hardy wins...he gets Edge's contract for a WWE title shot. Sure, the match doesn't need all of that, it's hot enough just being a straight up grudge match, but we all know how WWE is, and it's not beyond the realm of possibility for Hardy to take that contract from Edge in this upcoming match.

 

If Hardy does take that contract, or heck, if Hardy just flat out beats Edge and that's all, then where can Edge go? He has went from being on the verge of reaching the very top (with me ALMOST being on the verge of liking the guy), and being very hot in wrestling, to now being on the verge of being right back where he was at the start of his push. Again, like I said in the other thread:

 

I see Edge as someone that they like to tease as going all the way, just for the hell of it, but they don't feel like pulling the trigger on him. He'll go through a period where he looks really strong, then it all just falls apart...and I'm not just talking about the gimmick of him not being able to reach the top.

 

That said, and I hate to even say this, I do think he'll win a major title one day, more than likely within a year. I just don't see it happening right now, or anytime soon. I still don't see the guy as a major champion, but I respect the fact that many people do. I just can't help but wonder just what in the world WWE is waiting for with this guy. One second it looks like they want to push him to the moon, then the next they take away all they have given him, for whatever reason.

 

I'm more than excited about an Edge/Hardy feud, a lot more than more than Edge/Kane/Lita and Edge/Cena feuds, so as of right now, I'm pleased.

 

Besides, I'm always up for seeing Edge get his ass kicked, especially by Hardy.

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Edge has been nothing more than a pawn in a feud, not an actual player. We've been watching a Kane/Lita feud, not a Kane/Edge feud. From the very start of this thing, it's always been all about Kane/Lita, with Edge simply being the guy that Lita left Kane for. It could have been anyone else, and only ended up being Edge because of the stuff that was going on behind the scenes.

 

Like I said, I'd compare the Kane/Lita/Edge deal to that of HHH/Steph/Jericho, and I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

 

They had Kane beat Edge on a PPV, cleanly mind you, and now at this past RAW when Edge/Kane was taking place one again, it ended after Kane took off after Snitsky (which I assume means they will now be in a program together), and Hardy attacked Edge, speaking out against him, Lita, and WWE as a whole. So from the look of things, this entire Edge/Kane deal is pretty much over, with Kane more than likely moving on and the same for Edge.

 

Is it now safe to say that Edge lost that feud, a feud that he needed to win in my eyes if he was to continue his rise to the top? Edge has gone from the guy that everyone thought was going to challenge Cena for the world title at the second biggest PPV of the year, and possibly winning, to now more than likely fighting Hardy in a grudge match of sorts. I'm perfectly fine with this, but once again Edge has been cut short. Though I admit, it's for good reason this time.

 

What we have for SummerSlam now is this:

 

Kane vs. Snitsky

 

Edge vs. Hardy

 

Cena vs. Jericho (for the WWE Title)

 

 

To even go an extra step in all of this, I wouldn't be surprised for the Edge/Hardy match to be saddled with a few stipulations. Perhaps something where if Edge wins Hardy is banned from WWE for life, and if Hardy wins...he gets Edge's contract for a WWE title shot. Sure, the match doesn't need all of that, it's hot enough just being a straight up grudge match, but we all know how WWE is, and it's not beyond the realm of possibility for Hardy to take that contract from Edge in this upcoming match.

 

If Hardy does take that contract, or heck, if Hardy just flat out beats Edge and that's all, then where can Edge go? He has went from being on the verge of reaching the very top (with me ALMOST being on the verge of liking the guy), and being very hot in wrestling, to now being on the verge of being right back where he was at the start of his push. Again, like I said in the other thread:

 

I see Edge as someone that they like to tease as going all the way, just for the hell of it, but they don't feel like pulling the trigger on him. He'll go through a period where he looks really strong, then it all just falls apart...and I'm not just talking about the gimmick of him not being able to reach the top.

 

That said, and I hate to even say this, I do think he'll win a major title one day, more than likely within a year. I just don't see it happening right now, or anytime soon. I still don't see the guy as a major champion, but I respect the fact that many people do. I just can't help but wonder just what in the world WWE is waiting for with this guy. One second it looks like they want to push him to the moon, then the next they take away all they have given him, for whatever reason.

 

I'm more than excited about an Edge/Hardy feud, a lot more than more than Edge/Kane/Lita and Edge/Cena feuds, so as of right now, I'm pleased.

 

Besides, I'm always up for seeing Edge get his ass kicked, especially by Hardy.

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It started out from a Kane-Edge match, remember the Goldrush Tourney? But your right, the main players have been Kane and Lita with Edge as her lacky.

 

Please, stop mentioning the time around WMX18 god dammit, Im trying to block it out mentally.

 

Shudders at the thought of Kane-Snitsky again. I agree that the fued will end up with Hardy-Edge, but I still feel that Kane and Snitsky will be sucked into by siding with Hardy and Edge respectively.

 

I dont think well see Snitsky-Kane at SummerSlam, since weve already got Hogan-HBK, Cena-Jericho and most probably, but unfortunately, Hardy-Edge; and then on SD, weve got Batista/JBL-UT/Hassan.

 

I like your idea of it being an unsanctioned match for the MitB shot. Matt should play the avenging angel, spooking out Edge who finally wants a match with Matt. Matt can they say why would I want a match with you when Im having fun beating the crap out of you this way, unless we raise the odds that is...

 

Edge has no where to go. They dropped the ball with him IMHO. He should have been facing HBK at WM, but they saved that with him winning the MitB match. But was he done with that apart from having him get a shiney new briefcase? They should have a had a legal wrangle over it since the WHC is no longer on SD. He should exercise it when the champion is on his back, like when Batista was a bloody mess after HitC, you see Edge running down with the briefcase saying I want it now, I want it now, ring the bell ring the bell. That would have made Batista look shit though. Zyn stops, Zyn thinks . . . wait a minute, do that to Cena goddamit, do that Cena, have Edge make Cena look like shit by exercising the MitB when Cena is bloodied and exhausted. Ill start making more placards, LET EDGE MAKE CENA LOOKS LIKE SHIT. If we shout long enough, Vince will listen. He listened to us to bring Matt back.

 

Ok, comic relief over and back to reality with a thud. I can see him to start feuding with Angle again, after Edge loses his shot. Have Angle clapping in the backstage saying well done Edge, you dropped it again.

 

He needs a lot of work to be seen as a major contender IMHO. The bottom dropped out him after the Goldrush Tourney IMHO. The Matt/Edge thingy wont last long unfortunately. It should be a drawn out suffering guerilla style but that will just make Edge look weaker.

 

BTW, who isnt?

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I have a feeling they're going to go the "HHH in early 2000" route by having him wrestle a couple "memorable" matches against Matt Hardy to make him out to be the guy to fear in 2006...it won't work, of course, but I think they may go that way...

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As I said in that thread, to me, Edge has been nothing more than a pawn in a feud, not an actual player. We've been watching a Kane/Lita feud, not a Kane/Edge feud.

 

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Is it now safe to say that Edge lost that feud, a feud that he needed to win in my eyes if he was to continue his rise to the top?

 

 

How can Edge lose a feud he's not in?

 

The only way this Money in the Bank contract angle was going to be interesting after the match was if Christian had stolen the briefcase. Edge's momentum and credibility is about to be destroyed. It's going to take a lot for him to be built up as a decent contender- they've got a few months left to do it before his contract expires, but right now, he's going nowhere fast.

 

Lita really is the Kiss of Death.

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How can Edge lose a feud he's not in?

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The same way Jericho lost that HHH/Steph feud. While Jericho was still a part of it, the other two moved on past it, and Jericho never really did, it hurt him while it helped progress HHH and Steph. The same thing applies here. While the feud was not really about Edge, as I said he was just a pawn in the overall Kane/Lita feud, all of this has helped build up and push Kane and Lita, while it has only hurt Edge's credibility. At the MOST, Edge is back at where he was at the start of this year...and at the worst...

 

I think it's a for sure bet that we'll get a Kane/Hardy vs. Snitsky/Edge match, seeing how WWE seems to enjoy doing shit like that for no reason when it isn't needed. If it was up to me, they would keep building up Hardy as a guy who is not a WWE contracted wrestler, like WCW did with the nWo. Have Hardy get a few cheap shots in via run-ins and backstage attacks, some worse than others, but for the love of God don't let them meet in an actual match until SummerSlam!!!!!

 

It isn't just Lita who is the kiss of death. Any time that they present a feud as wrestler/diva/valet with the other wrestler as a pawn instead of wrestler/wrestler, it almost never ends well for the guy left on the outside. I can't stand feuds like this, it drives me crazy. I hate when the woman is the mastermind behind the man, it takes away from the overall angle.

 

Now the Hogan/Savage/Elizabeth and Flair/Savage Elizabeth fueds, those were ways to really have the woman be a part of a feud. She was the centerpiece to the entire thing, but the feud wasn't about her. It was about the two wrestlers hatred for one another. Something like that would have worked fine for Kane/Edge, and it could have helped both guys reach a different level.

 

"Could have".

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Very good points with the Elizabeth feuds, Downhome. Both of those were executed extremely well, and should be the prototype of how to include women in a feud without making it stupid, or overwhelming the matches.

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I think it's a for sure bet that we'll get a Kane/Hardy vs. Snitsky/Edge match, seeing how WWE seems to enjoy doing shit like that for no reason when it isn't needed. If it was up to me, they would keep building up Hardy as a guy who is not a WWE contracted wrestler, like WCW did with the nWo. Have Hardy get a few cheap shots in via run-ins and backstage attacks, some worse than others, but for the love of God don't let them meet in an actual match until SummerSlam!!!!!

 

It isn't just Lita who is the kiss of death. Any time that they present a feud as wrestler/diva/valet with the other wrestler as a pawn instead of wrestler/wrestler, it almost never ends well for the guy left on the outside. I can't stand feuds like this, it drives me crazy. I hate when the woman is the mastermind behind the man, it takes away from the overall angle.

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Very good points with the Elizabeth feuds, Downhome.  Both of those were executed extremely well, and should be the prototype of how to include women in a feud without making it stupid, or overwhelming the matches.

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WWE will use the Tag Match to prolong the fued knowing them. I dont think he should be a contracted wrestler either. He should attack Edge once in a while and in different ways, such as in the parking lot, hide in the dressing room, etc... make Edge downplay it but complain to Bischoff all the time saying that there is a crazy fan on the loose who is after him. Edge will always be looking over his shoulder. Bischoff responds to the attacks by giving Edge a security detail. It has to be entirely random, guerilla style. Have 2 weeks of attacks and then a month of nothing. Spook Edge out. This means that they cant blow it off at SummerSlam, but later, say Survivour Series. Hell, give Edge a handicap with Snitsky versus Kane at Unforgiven. I dont care. The main question is for how long can Matt be seen as a credible threat.

 

The problem with women in the fueds is that they tend to take heat off wrestlers since marks are after TnA.

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The problem with women in the fueds is that they tend to take heat off wrestlers since marks are after TnA.

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Well you can't really blame the "marks" for that, since WWE presents the women as nothing more than TnA anyway.

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Snitsky/Kane isn't happening at Slam.

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Edge doesn't play a good monster heel, so they're giving him the JBL treatment where he takes his licks and ends up still winning in the end, to everyone's frustrations.

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I think they'll try to have Edge and Hardy put on the "match of their lives", hoping to mirror the results of the HHH/Mick Foley battles from early 2000, the same ones that put HHH right to the top, as I said earlier...the plan, this time, being to put Edge on top...it will fail, of course, but I'm sure that's their hope...

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Well, tonight we have Edge/Kane in a cage on RAW. It's a safe bet that Matt Hardy will join the party at some point in the match, I think everyone can agree on that.

 

I think we'll either see some sort of no-contest, or Hardy will attack Edge leading to Kane picking up yet another win. At some point, this has got to turn around for Edge...

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The problem with women in the fueds is that they tend to take heat off wrestlers since marks are after TnA.

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Well you can't really blame the "marks" for that, since WWE presents the women as nothing more than TnA anyway.

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I dont. I was just trying to explain why the WWE do it. They think that marks are just after TnA, hence so much of it.

 

I think they'll try to have Edge and Hardy put on the "match of their lives", hoping to mirror the results of the HHH/Mick Foley battles from early 2000, the same ones that put HHH right to the top, as I said earlier...the plan, this time, being to put Edge on top...it will fail, of course, but I'm sure that's their hope...

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Funny you say that Lushus, I was getting a similar feeling to.