Update on Hassan (Insider Spoilers, Info)

[Lord of The Curry 0]

LO.......yeah, that was pretty bad.

[Guest Ransome]

Sigh, this topic just exemplifies the stupidity that sometimes overwhelms the WWE forum.  A man could lose his livelyhood because of incompetent "writers" who could not pen a storyline that a ten year old autistic could do in it's sleep, yet, you people are discussing workrate and cheap heat?  Good grief you fools, Kurt Angle's whole heel career is built off of cheap heat, there is rarely a moment when he is not engaged in some form of it.  And workrate, oh yes, THAT.  Since when has the WWE been a bastion of the wrestling gifted anyways?  Even workrate gods Benoit and Guerrero are on the decline with no one in sight to replace them. 

 

Mark Magnus is not at fault here, the "braintrust" of the WWE is at fault.  That man went out there and got booed every night, cheap or not, he did his job.  He wrestled to the best of his ability and did not kill anyone, he did his job.  Now because others could not do their jobs, his is in jeapordy.  Why can't you so called "smart" people see that?  Stop being blinded by the stereotypical behavior that you detest even being attributed to the community.

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As I've said before, I find it hard to feel sympathy for Hassan's plight given the giant push he was about to receive, despite the lack of *any* good->great matches to warrant it. The man was about to be thrust into the Summerslam main event, and *maybe* win the world title, sooner than the other deserving WWE wrestlers that would kill for the push and have been trying to attain one for years. If he had remained a midcard gimmick, or at least been given a year or so to hone his craft, it might be different. Besides. since when does "wrestling to the best of his ability" matter when objectively analysing Hassan's wrestling skill? When Hassan is surrounded by world class workers, the fact that he might 'try hard' just isn't good enough, as far as I'm concerned, if he clearly isn't ready for the push he's receiving. I imagine the writers are writing 'to the best of their ability', I guess we're not entitled to complain about them?

 

Does it suck for him that they had to pull the plug on his gimmick? Yes, but easy come easy go. Either way, I wouldn't worry about Hassan (well, 'Magnus') losing his spot in the company, and clearly if he shows he's a good sport about these external factors forcing his character to be abruptly ended he'll be repackaged and brought back soon. Some gimmicks get over with the crowd, some don't, it's the way wrestling works. Personally, I feel his position right now is secure in the company, and that he's still in a much better position in the wrestling world now than he would have been had he turned down WWE's proposal and gone back to being an Indies noname.

[King Cucaracha 0]

You're a fool.  If you were the only person watching WWE TV, your points, selfish as they are, would be valid.

 

Fine, if I were a sheep. My opinion differs from yours, so obviously, my response to him being written off TV differs too. You're the fool for completely missing the point of the arguement. I'm not saying he should be fired because I don't like the job he did...I'm saying, if he was, I don't care because I don't like the job he did.

 

However, there are millions watching on TV and thousands in attendance at the show who may or may not have been entertained by Hassan.

 

So, I should care about Magnus because OTHER people liked him?

 

You have no way of gauging opinion in your favor and vice versa for me.  However, what you seem to fail to realize is that "entertainment" has to be a group effort in the WWE.

 

Uhm, I DO realise that.

 

Everyone from the top down has to contribute, so blaming one man for not entertaining YOU is quite unfair and silly.  There are a number of factors involved in this debacle with the Hassan character and the man actually playing the character is the least of these factors.

 

Okay, he's not to blame for the character. The fact he bored me to tears on the mic and was dull as day old dishwater in the ring IS his fault, not the writers. Am I supposed to blame OVW for not training him properly, despite the fact he must have trained indipendentely from OVW beforehand.

 

 

Yes, just as funny as the moral obligation you have to feel sorry for all of those screwed over by HHH, JBL, Undertaker etc. etc.

 

I don't have a moral obligation to care about people I've never met.

 

If a character entertains me and a wrestler entertains me, as a viewer, I'll care about it. If it doesn't...why should I? Sure, I'm going to feel sorry for someone who loses their job, if only for a few seconds. Human nature. But if I don't think they're doing it well, surely it's my right not to care about it. Here, in the real world, as opposed to whatever magic, fairy filled paridise your opinion's flown from, we're subjective.

 

As a wrestling fan, I watch wrestling to enjoy wrestling. I don't watch wrestling to watch nice people getting money and having secure jobs and enjoying their lives. Sure, it sucks for those fired. But life goes on. Magnus'll get another job, I'll still watch wrestling and he'll be forgotten by everyone whining within months, guaranteed.

[Fökai 0]

Okay, your first post was taken out of context. After re-reading your first post.

 

I feel sorry that the guy was lumbered with bad writing, but why should I care that someone who didn't entertain me in the slightest isn't in the company anymore (if he's indeed fired or let go)

 

Okay, you're entitled to that opinion.

 

Responding to your second post.

 

The fact he bored me to tears on the mic and was dull as day old dishwater in the ring IS his fault, not the writers.

 

Everything is scripted down to the tee with the promos. A character in an e-fed has more freedom than a WWE personality. The only thing that Mark came up with himself was the pacing of his promos, which was much different than the standard "talk-wait for audience applause or heat-talk again-wait for applause or heat-repeat".

 

As for the ring work, it's been mentioned several times that the guy clearly wasn't ready to be called up. An excerpt from OVW's website said: Some wrestlers had to wait almost their entire career before signing a developmental contract with World Wrestling Entertainment. Mark Magnus barely had to wait at all. Magnus was signed to an Ohio Valley Wrestling contract in 2003, the same year as his debut.

 

Sure, I'm going to feel sorry for someone who loses their job, if only for a few seconds.

 

The argument was that while people will rush to the aid of boring characters like Haas and Akio, they won't give a damn one way or the other about Hassan.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Who, me?

 

It's not that I don't care about the topic. I don't care that Magnus has lost a job. I DO care that he's not on my TV, for a few months at least.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Sigh, this topic just exemplifies the stupidity that sometimes overwhelms the WWE forum.  A man could lose his livelyhood because of incompetent "writers" who could not pen a storyline that a ten year old autistic could do in it's sleep, yet, you people are discussing workrate and cheap heat?

 

There's a reason why Mick Foley and others encourage young aspiring wrestlers to keep going to college and not kill a "regular" life while seeking a career as a pro wrestler. It's because these sorts of things happen, and often times guys have to go to their backup career when it's over. As long Cornette was teaching the same philosophy in OVW, and whoever teaches there in the future does so, people's lives can avoid being totally ruined because they dropped out of college and then got saddled with a go-nowhere character.

 

Again, the business uses people, but the people they use are smart to it now and are encouraged when starting out to have another career waiting in the wings just in case. Once you're securely "in," it turns into a loyalty game, but that's another discussion for another matter.

 

Good grief you fools, Kurt Angle's whole heel career is built off of cheap heat, there is rarely a moment when he is not engaged in some form of it.

 

I disagree, I think Angle is more a parody of cheap heat like Mick Foley pointing out his own cheap pops. However, even if it really is cheap heat, there's a reason why the crowd doesn't go silent when Angle puts away the mic and starts wrestling. It's because the guy can really go.

[Guest nokia]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but I saw a video on wwe.com where Teddy Long said that Hassan could go the Hell !!

 

Here's the transcript of Long's promo;

 

""For the past month, Muhammad Hassan has been at the center of a media firestorm. From CNN to USA Today, headlines are all talking about Muhammad Hassan's controversial mission to become the world champion. At the Great American Bash, Muhammad Hassan said that if he did not defeat the Undertaker and become the number one contender, that he would never again appear on SmackDown.

 

We all saw what happened at the Great American Bash. Mr. Hassan is a beaten man - physically and emotionally, with all of his injuries. Now, Mr. Hassan, if you're thinking about coming back to SmackDown...we don't want you, playa. You can go to RAW, or you could go anywhere else on this planet, but as far as I'm concerned, you can go to hell!"

 

* Thoughts?

[dubq 0]

Let the speculation begin.

[redbaron29 0]

Just send him back to RAW and be done with all this shit.