8/12 ROH Results

[bob_barron 0]

It's been a day. Let's see what happens with his title reign before we rip on it.

 

This happens with every ROH Title Change it seems.

[Guest *KNK*]

It does happen and that's why the ROH TITLE means so much.

 

When a title changes in WWE or TNA, it's usually met with apathy and digust.

 

ROH title changes arent that common (only 6 champions in its 3 1/2 year history) and when they happen, it's a big deal and there's a certain standard for a champion in ROH.

 

Everyone was against Joe having the title at first and 20 months later, Joe had put that title on the highest level and made that belt.

 

Austin Aries dethroned Joe in a highly constroversial decision but 6 months later, Aries proved himself to be a worthy champion after incredible defenses after another.

 

CM Punk's title win was highly debated and six weeks later after an great run, we look back fondly on Punk's brief but historic reign.

 

The length of title reigns shouldn't matter but the quality of the reign certainly does.

 

Gibson is already set to defend the title against Spanky and Homicide.

 

Bryan Danielson is likely to get the title shot on 9/17 in Long Island on his return.

 

Gibson isnt going to WWE right away; there is no set time table for his return.

 

How about we just sit back like we should have done with Joe, Punk and Aries and see how The Era of Gibson comes out.

[Guest MugumboMcgee]

With ROH World title changes being so rare, it was cool there was a title change on my b-day.

[JustJoe2k5 0]

Of course Jamie Noble would say winning the Ring of Honor title is more important to him than participating in WrestleMania, atleast until he is back in WWE and preparing to participate in a WrestleMania dark match. By then, WrestleMania will go back to being the biggest event in professional wrestling. I always find it funny that the people saying something is better than WrestleMania or whatever they want to diss about WWE, are usually people who never have and never will get the chance to participate in the event.

[bob_barron 0]

Noble wrestled at Wrestlemania XX

[bob_barron 0]

"Bitter Friends, Stiffer Enemies"

 

A pretty fun show featuring the classic Cide v. Corino match. I really enjoyed Punk v. Joe and Cide v. Corino. A lot of people love Xavier v. Daniels.

 

"War of the Wire"

 

AJ v. Joe and Corino v. Cide are awesome, don't remember the rest.

 

"Manhattan Mayhem"

 

From top to bottom, a fun show.

[Guest *KNK*]

Of course Jamie Noble would say winning the Ring of Honor title is more important to him than participating in WrestleMania, atleast until he is back in WWE and preparing to participate in a WrestleMania dark match.  By then, WrestleMania will go back to being the biggest event in professional wrestling.  I always find it funny that the people saying something is better than WrestleMania or whatever they want to diss about WWE, are usually people who never have and never will get the chance to participate in the event.

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Gibson worked WrestleMania, held WWE CW title and worked many pay per views. Gibson has never dissed WWE since he was fired.

 

How about you actually WITNESS James Gibson soaked in blood and tears after 55 Minutes of incredible wrestling and high emotions, graced in the arms of Brian "Spanky" Kendrick and his wife with the loyal fans of ROH chanting his name in Dayton.

 

Dayton, Gibson's proclaimed "second home". Not far from OVW and HWA where he made his start. Les Thatcher, his trainer there with him and all his friends like Nigel McGuiness who was there when Gibson started out.

 

This was Gibson's greatest moment. Jobbing in a gauntlet match @ Maina? Nice but winning the title that represents being the best Wrestler in his home region where it all started for him, in the same building he worked in when he started out with Les...

[Guest Biggles]

Who said Gibson is going to lose the belt. Why can't he retire it. I don't think anyone saw Punk losing it in Dayton, they were expecting it to happen before, and more than likely, last night against Colt. Gibson holding the title until his last match would mean something, and wouldn't be losing any prestige the belt has. Plus it would set up a great oppurtunity for a tournament. And anyone could win in a ROH tourny, so that adds more excitement and unpredictability if you ask me.

 

I know where ome of you are coming off with the back to back short reigns, but I think they are handling the riegns properly, therefore they can work and still put over the Champs. I don't think these reigns are taking anything away from the other guys in ROH either. Once Gibson is done, that opens alot doors and possibilities for others to start stepping up right now. Colt and Aries would be my picks for the next Champ, only 'cause Daniels, Joe and Styles are working TNA more.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Unless Gibson drops dead before leaving RoH, there is no way he should leave without losing the belt in the ring. Nothing devalues a world title more than the former champion just leaving the promotion before he loses it. Not to mention that the RoH fans would shit all over the idea of the belt being vacated by someone leaving the promotion. It would be one thing if Gibson wasn't going anywhere, and he got injured; even then, it's likely Gabe would keep the belt on Gibson until he absolutely had to strip him of the title. But if Gibson is healthy, he absolutely has to drop the belt in the ring.

[thecitythesky 0]

I wouldn't mind Gibson getting the belt for a short-term reign if it wasn't the second consecutive short-term reign in the belts lineage.

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In all fairness, I don't think this is necessarily the case. As long as the title continues to be treated with respect and treated as something that everyone in the company strives to capture (or as the most important belt in North America, whichever you prefer) the two short-ish reigns won't really matter. If you look at the Triple Crown from 89-mid 92 (chosen because for the birth of the respective titles) there were plenty of short reigns, some incredibly so. Or even after Misawa's 2+ year reign (to bring it about to a more similar situation) there still were short reigns that didn't devalue the belt(s). It was all contingent on how the title, its challengers, and their subsequent challenges were portrayed to the audience. And I think that this will be the case with the ROH title. That so long as Gibson and his challengers are strong and everyone's gunning for him nothing bad will happen.

 

EDIT: For the sake of clarification. I do think there's no excuse to not have Gibson put someone over on his way out.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Good for Noble winning the belt.

[JustJoe2k5 0]

I think the best thing for Ring of Honor to do would be to go ahead and start building someone up starting with their next show. Make sure it is someone that is definitely in the promotion for the long-run, like Alex Shelley or Jay Lethal. Give them a few months of big wins and build up to a great match where they win the title. RoH definitely needs a champion with stability at the moment. Homicide has been putting on great matches since he went single in '02, I think he should atleast get one reign with the title.

[Guest *KNK*]

I think the best thing for Ring of Honor to do would be to go ahead and start building someone up starting with their next show.  Make sure it is someone that is definitely in the promotion for the long-run, like Alex Shelley or Jay Lethal.  Give them a few months of big wins and build up to a great match where they win the title.  RoH definitely needs a champion with stability at the moment.  Homicide has been putting on great matches since he went single in '02, I think he should atleast get one reign with the title.

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You basically are saying

 

"Do what they did with Aries, again"

 

and they are...With Roderick Strong and Jay Lethal, one of whom will be champion in a year's time.

[JustJoe2k5 0]

Considering I haven't seen the product in a year or two, I had no clue how they built up Austin Aries to his title reign. I've never even seen Austin Aries wrestle, but if that's how they booked him then that's how I would like to see them book the next guy. I just think Ring of Honor needs a Samoa Joe-like title reign to add a little stability to the top of the card.

[lomasmoney 0]

I and a lot of other people think Roderick Strong is gonna be the guy they build up to beat Gibson.

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

Strong's really coming into his own right now. I think he's going to have to improve his mic work just a little to get a run as champ, as even in ROH you have to be able to get your point across well which I've seen Strong struggle with on occasion.

 

Lethal...I don't know. I don't feel this Rottweilers feud is really doing anything for him but I guess we'll have to wait to see the blow off.

Edited August 15, 2005 by Mystery Eskimo

[Guest *KNK*]

Considering I haven't seen the product in a year or two, I had no clue how they built up Austin Aries to his title reign.  I've never even seen Austin Aries wrestle, but if that's how they booked him then that's how I would like to see them book the next guy.  I just think Ring of Honor needs a Samoa Joe-like title reign to add a little stability to the top of the card.

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If you haven't observed the product in over a year, you have no right to determine what it needs for stability.

 

They have stability at the top of the card, they have a steady flow of main eventers.

 

They built Aries up as the future of wrestling and he slowly went through the roster, took his lumps early, had a couple big wins and broke through and got the shot against Joe @ Final Battle and "upset" Joe.

 

Roderick Strong is doing the same, slowly leaving the tag team ranks to the mid card to an occasional main event spot and now with his win over Hardy this weekend, he's likely to begin his rise to the top for good.

 

I don't think he'll unseat Gibson but He will get the title by 4YA.

[DMann2003 0]

Picked up a couple more early ROH titles at FYE today, they were by 1 get one 1/2 pluss I have store credit so I got both for less then 10 dollars-

 

"Night of Aprreciation"

"Road to the Title"

 

So those plus the other 6 titles I have should provide a pretty good feel for the product I think- can't wait till the return in Jan.

[Guest *KNK*]

Picked up a couple more early ROH titles at FYE today, they were by 1 get one 1/2 pluss I have store credit so I got both for less then 10 dollars-

 

"Night of Aprreciation"

"Road to the Title"

 

So those plus the other 6 titles I have should provide a pretty good feel for the product I think- can't wait till the return in Jan.

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I'm betting those were takedown masters version right?

 

Those are edited but you still get the important parts.

[DMann2003 0]

Yeah, those are the versions, that's cool, I just figured it was a good deal all in all- watching "War of the Wire" right now.