Jeff Jarrett: Bad For TNA, Bad With Black People

[tominator89 0]

Yeah, I never understood that either. Didn't they realize his contract was ending?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Vince hates being fleeced.

[Carnival 0]

Jarrett wanted Main Event status in WWF. Vince asked Austin to work a program with him and Jim Ross raised heel on Austin behalf, so Austin probably didn't want to do it either. Jarrett was upset he wasn't getting the push, Vince said fuck it and didn't renew the contract. But i don't understand how Vince didn't cover his ass and have Jarrett drop the title before hand. IIRC, the Austin program was proposed after Austin dropped the title to taker at over the edge. So they would have had a couple months to decide what to do with Jarrett.

[tominator89 0]

And during that time, he had the IC belt. Why wasn't that situation addressed earlier?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Jarrett wanted Main Event status in WWF. Vince asked Austin to work a program with him and Jim Ross raised heel on Austin behalf, so Austin probably didn't want to do it either. Jarrett was upset he wasn't getting the push, Vince said fuck it and didn't renew the contract. But i don't understand how Vince didn't cover his ass and have Jarrett drop the title before hand. IIRC, the Austin program was proposed after Austin dropped the title to taker at over the edge. So they would have had a couple months to decide what to do with Jarrett.

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Very fucking wrong. Unless you mean Vince as in RUSSO. He asked the management to give his buddy a push. Vince, the one that matters, saw through the charades and refused. This is why Russo pushed Jarrett to no end in WCW, to prove Vince that Jeff was a star. Too bad it didn't work out that way... well at least for you.

[Dangerous A 0]

Actually, from what I've read, Vince McMahon didn't have that big an issue with Jarrett working with Austin, it was Austin who didn't want to work with Jarrett. Part of it stemmed from when Austin was starting out in the business working for Jerry Jarrett in Tennesee. Jeff, who was the booker's son, was pushed undeservedly so and treated everyone like dirt, including Austin. Austin, who has a memory like an elephant, didn't forget it and when this situation came up, he got his revenge by not working with him. In fact, the day that they were going to do a match, Austin grabbed Russo and marched right into Vince McMahon's office and said he was refusing to work with Jeff because he "wasn't on his level and would bring him down". Later on in an interview with Get in the Ring radio, he told the hosts he didn't want to work with Jarrett because he wasnt' intense enough and "didn't hit the ropes hard enough".

 

Karma's a bitch, I tells ya.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Vince might not have had a problem initially but he totally sided with Austin, which angered Russo and Jarrett.

[Dangerous A 0]

Correct, Porter.

 

McMahon wasn't going to go against the wishes of his meal ticket.

[Ripper 0]

It still doesn't explain holding a grudge with the guy when they put themselves in the bad postion. What wrestler in his right mind would say "Yeah, Vince, I know I am not under contract, and I know that I have to go on making a living in this business, and I know that you just turned down giving me a big push, and I know you ignored my contract running out, but I am going to go out here and job clean to a FUCKING WOMAN, just for you Vince."

 

Vince is stupid for thinking that anything but Jarretts asking price would be the cost. And he still coulda went out there and no sold everything Chyna did, laid down in a mocking way and used that to catapult himself even higher in WCW but he didn't. He sold to a talentless chick in the ring CLEAN and went on.

[tominator89 0]

So, what exactly should have Jarrett done in the situation?

 

In that case I don't see how Jarrett's the bad guy.

[Dangerous A 0]

I'm not saying Jarrett is the bad guy. It's WWE's bad for having the belt on a guy who's contract was up and overlooking it. Jarrett was going to do what was best for him.

 

However, you are dealing with Vince McMahon. The man doesn't deal much in logic and lives in a bubble. In that bubble, if he feels he was screwed by you, even though in this situation Vince was the one who screwed up, Vince is the one who feels slighted. It's just the way it is. Look who you are dealing with is all I can say. While he's the most successful promoter of pro wrestling in history, it doesn't mean he posseses the most sane mind in the business.

[Carnival 0]

Porter, you half right Vince Russo came up with the idea, but Vince was ok with it, until Austin and JR weren't. So Vince didn't say no until others told him it was a bad idea. Vince was kinda just a middle man in this case. Jeff and his buddy Russo were for the push, Austin and his buddy JR were against it. Vince had to go with Austin, for obvious reasons.

 

I don't see how i was "very fucking wrong" for just failing to mention Russo's influence. It's still the same story, without Russo or even without JR.

[Guest Gary Busey]

Wasn't the money Jarrett wanted just what was left for him to be paid on his old contract anyway? Like he wanted it all at that point instead of the normal payments down the road?

[Dangerous A 0]

Yes, it wasn't like Jarrett was asking for anything out of the ordinary and his demands weren't out of line. In our world.

 

In Vince's world, he was being held up and that is enough to warrant the grudge he holds against him.

[2GOLD 0]

Basically, Jeff is hated in the WWE because of Vince's "Victim" complex. If Vince fires you, you are suppose to be happy about it and be glad he is giving you the chance to go out in the most pathetic way possible.

 

And if you don't, how dare you treat poor sweet Vincent K McMahon that way! Asking for the money you are owed upfront to job to, at the time, HHH's manbeast. What a bastard to do that to such a kind and caring man.

[Mole 0]

Is Homicide a good wrestler? What does he look like?

[Carnival 0]

Is Homicide a good wrestler? What does he look like?

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The Coach's brother.

 

I haven't seen a lot of his matches, but from what i have seen he's pretty decent. I don't know if he's a technical wrestling machine or not, haven't really seen him chain wrestle that much, but he moves good, and has good timing.

[Guest Coffey]

Homicide is great. He wrestles like he's smaller than he is (and he's pretty small) but at the same time, he wrestlers like he's bigger than he is too, if that makes sense.

 

He'll do a Cannonball Senton Suicide Dive and then he'll do a Vertebreaker or a Hansen Lariat.

 

He's also got a good gimmick which makes him easy to hate as a heel.

 

Here's a picture of a bloody Low Ki standing next to Homicide (whom is usually wearing a bandana):

 

[TNABaddboi 0]

Here's a torch column supporting the "JJ is bad for TNA" theory...

 

As TNA realized one of the promotion's all-time highs in having two commercial spots air during this past Monday's Raw, TNA also realized the loss of one major name that could have meant the difference between a handful, a few hundred, or an entire collection of viewers when TNA Impact debuts on Spike TV October 1. With Mick Foley choosing creative control in WWE over the opportunity to be the key figure in TNA to give TNA credibility where viewers may have skepticism, TNA lost an opportunity to add instant legitimacy to the promotion.

 

As Torch editor Wade Keller and Torch columnist Bruce Mitchell discussed during Friday's audio discussion, Foley would have brought the type of "wow, this is legit" factor to a promotion looking for a way to get people talking about TNA around the water cooler or I-Café Monday morning. TNA needed the "Lex Luger" figure that WCW had on September 4, 1995. It was ten years ago when Lex Luger made his surprise and shocking return to WCW on the very first edition of WCW Nitro as the promotion took WWE Raw head on. The wrestling industry was never the same.

 

Instead, TNA has been snubbed of Foley's services as Foley joins the list of apparent TNA locks only to turn down the upstart #2 promotion in favor of an opportunity to perform for Vince McMahon. Maybe it was money. Maybe it was an opportunity to perform on the established stage. For Foley, maybe it was reinforcing the legacy he has tried to build, maintain, and develop throughout his career. For Matt Hardy, who passed up an opportunity with TNA, maybe it was cashing in his chips to gamble on becoming the mega-star he thought he could achieve with his brother, Jeff, no longer taking up all the space in the Hardy Boys spotlight.

 

There's also the charm of Vince McMahon and the assurances he gives when negotiating a contract and opportunity with WWE. Vince has consistently maintained the line of offering an opportunity to just about anyone who has a reasonable chance to make money for the company. It's just a matter of what the given performer does with the opportunity. Matt Hardy was given his opportunity with full promo time upon his return. He fouled off his one pitch and WWE has been breaking down – with the possibility of rebuilding – Matt's character ever since.

 

For Mick Foley, creative control means being able to work under his own terms with his character portrayed as he wants. No more waiting around for WWE to call or list what storyline they want him involved in. If Foley doesn't want to have Randy Orton spit in his face on national television, he doesn't have to. If Foley doesn't want to put over Muhammad Hassan while playing a temporary commissioner, he doesn't have to. Foley has an opportunity to cement his legacy as he sees fit.

 

Those are the elements on the WWE side that have affected the two most recent and prominent decisions for Foley and Hardy to re-sign with WWE instead of taking a chance on the up-start potential of TNA. However, TNA has certainly had their say in the decision-making process. And, it starts at the top.

 

Since its inception, TNA has been a playground for Jeff Jarrett to establish himself as a major player in light of WWE telling him he's a mid-carder with an over-inflated value of his character and abilities. Jarrett has positioned himself at the top of his daddy's promotion to reinforce the image of him as the top star of a promotion that wouldn't be around unless Panda Energy's cows produced more waste than the guys sitting around the campfire in Blazing Saddles.

 

Whether you're Tim McGraw, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Randy Savage, Sting, Rhino, Kip James, or Jeff Hardy, you're running through Jeff Jarrett. Any big name incoming star must be met by the "king of the mountain," right?

 

With the current on-air storyline of Jeff Jarrett warning the TNA mainstays that incoming wrestlers are going to be taking jobs, Jarrett is presenting scare tactics to place himself in a position of authority and importance. The storyline is nothing more than a way to create hype for Impact's debut on Spike TV, but it's symbolic of Jarrett needing to position himself in the most important role in the promotion, even if he's not the NWA Champion.

 

In turn, when Matt Hardy and Mick Foley negotiated with TNA to stand alongside the likes of A.J. Styles, Christopher Daniels, and Samoa Joe and to be part of something with the potential to challenge WWE, Jeff Jarrett cast a long shadow over any consideration for joining the promotion. Maybe there was past history of watching previous incoming stars having to deal with Jarrett's creative and managerial control in a promotion he's had a stranglehold on for three years. Matt Hardy just needed to look to his bloodline to see his brother Jeff challenge for the NWA Title immediately after signing with the company, but having to deal with Jarrett's political maneuvers to prevent Jeff from winning the belt.

 

For Mick Foley, I'm sure the idea of having Jeff Jarrett interrupt his promos, speeches, or important activity to put himself over wasn't as inviting as creative control in WWE. With Jarrett having a penchant for hitching up his britches and asserting himself to make sure any incoming stars recognize exactly who he is and what he does around Orlando and Nashville, Foley and Hardy can't be faulted for being apprehensive.

 

With TNA lacking key storylines to carry the promotion into and through the October 1 debut date, the company was unable to deliver substantial plans and prospects, something that should be expected of a promotion trying to grab a piece of WWE's market share. Maybe Foley saw the unorganized mess in TNA with President Dixie Carter and wannabee-President Jeff Jarrett fighting for control over storylines and feuds. On the contrary, WWE consistently has its ducks in a row running like a well-oiled machine as the promotion has more agents in place than a group of NFL wide receivers to handle issues that come up concerning travel, talent coordination, and bookings.

 

As long as Jeff Jarrett remains a fixture in the promotion – on-air and behind the scenes – TNA will have to face the reality of big names turning down potential industry-changing opportunities. Jeff Jarrett is an albatross to a promotion that needs to shed the excess weight to operate at an efficient clip. It's time for TNA to realize where the problem is.

 

The solution isn't simply moving Jeff Jarrett to the mid-card to allow other superstars to take the top feuds and storylines. It would be nice if that was a possibility because Jarrett brings solid wrestling and good heel work to a promotion in need of an edge. However, the idea of Jarrett co-operating for the good of the promotion and not sticking his nose where it doesn’t belong doesn't seem to be a very strong reality.

 

There's no middle ground on this issue. Jeff Jarrett needs to go. TNA has too much potential with an awesome X Division, a new-age heavyweight division, and solid tag team wrestling to let this opportunity go to waste. Foley and Hardy's signings with WWE instead of TNA may have been more about WWE's opportunity than Jeff Jarrett, but recent history of Jarrett hogging the spotlight certainly came into play throughout negotiations.

 

For everything Jarrett can bring to the promotion, there's much more TNA can accomplish without him. It's time for TNA to step up and get the 500-pound gorilla out of the room to let everyone else breathe. There's no other choice.

[Guest Coffey]

JEFF JARRETT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE.

[Carnival 0]

JEFF JARRETT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE.

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Also about the article.....your damned if you do, damned if you don't. It just proves no matter what Jarrett does, people will find a way to complain about it.

[Magus 0]

I wouldn't complain if he left the company. I don't think anybody else would either.

 

I think the article has a point. I could see how a lot of wrestling stars wouldn't want to come into TNA if it meant they'd have to work with Jarrett. The man's got a reputation for being, well, Jarrett. When a star comes in, its almost a given that they have to work a program with Jarrett. Even when he's not champ, Jarrett ALWAYS does his best to remain the center of attention. Guys like Foley, Hardy, and Ortiz might've been easier to sign if they didn't have to worry about dealing with JJ's primadonna shit.

 

Right now they're using him the best way they can, but the best decision to make would be to let him go. Besides, if Jarrett is out of TNA, there's a chance we could see a return for Stone Cold. He'll never sign with TNA as long as Jarrett is there.

[Guest Coffey]

He'll never sign with TNA anyway. Jarrett or not.

[Guest *KNK*]

Austin is still under contract with WWE anyways.

[KTID 0]

Besides, if Jarrett is out of TNA, there's a chance we could see a return for Stone Cold.  He'll never sign with TNA as long as Jarrett is there.

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What's this about? Is he out of contract soon?

[Guest *KNK*]

Besides, if Jarrett is out of TNA, there's a chance we could see a return for Stone Cold.  He'll never sign with TNA as long as Jarrett is there.

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What's this about? Is he out of contract soon?

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No. He was making the (horrible) assumption that if Jarrett was gone, Austin would want to work for the #2 promotion.

[Fökai 0]

Actually, from what I've read, Vince McMahon didn't have that big an issue with Jarrett working with Austin, it was Austin who didn't want to work with Jarrett. Part of it stemmed from when Austin was starting out in the business working for Jerry Jarrett in Tennesee. Jeff, who was the booker's son, was pushed undeservedly so and treated everyone like dirt, including Austin. Austin, who has a memory like an elephant, didn't forget it and when this situation came up, he got his revenge by not working with him. In fact, the day that they were going to do a match, Austin grabbed Russo and marched right into Vince McMahon's office and said he was refusing to work with Jeff because he "wasn't on his level and would bring him down". Later on in an interview with Get in the Ring radio, he told the hosts he didn't want to work with Jarrett because he wasnt' intense enough and "didn't hit the ropes hard enough".

 

IIRC, Austin had a problem with Jerry Jarrett, not Jeff. The story remains the same, though.

[Guest Biggles]

Although I think while TNA get on their feet after they've debuted on Spike TV, Jarret can still prove to be useful. So far TNA's audience are made up by alot of the IWC and not so many marks. So TNA has always been appreciated because it puts alot of focus on the wrestling and not so much on the marketing and entertaining aspect. Now its going to be on TV, they're going to need all the big name star power they can get to attract wrestling marks and what with Jarret being a big wrestler for the WWE and WCW, Im sure he'll prove to be a good draw.

 

But yes in general I agree, he's not good for the promotion.

[Guest Coffey]

When he was in WCW and WWE he didn't draw, so why would he now?

[Guest Biggles]

The same can be said for the majority of the TNA roster. Alot of them were wrestlers that the WWE let go. With Jarret though, he's a regonisable wrestlers with some prestigious titles to his name from WWE and WCW.