Black Lushus Posted September 17, 2005 Report Posted September 17, 2005 fuck...i actually AGREE with you...they could have built on his eliminating the Undertaker way back in the 2003 Rumble (or was it 02?)...though I'm sure Mark wouldn't have been felling it...
Ripper Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 You know, I always had this dream angle where they would use Tough Enough to get a unknown wrestler over. It would work with some indy guy that is very good and they were going to sign anyway, say like Low-ki. They would do the whole tough Enough thing, and Ki would win of course, and for his first night at Raw, he would give the "Gee willikers, I am so happy to be on Raw" interview and then do the corney "Oh my god its Hardcore Holly, I am SHOCKED and a little AFRAID and SCARED face." He would lose in a squash and the only offense he would show would be a drop kick. Then the next week he would give the EXACT same promo, word for word about being happy to be in the WWE. Holly would come out and get on him about saying the same thing and he would do the same shocked and afraid and scared face and the same results in the match. Then on the third week, EXACT same promo, Holly interrupts, but as the camera stays on his face after the shocked and scared face, it turns to angry and evil. match goes almost the same, all squashish, with Holly about to pull off his finisher, when wrestler excapes, looks at him slowly with the evil face and proceeds to beat the ever loving horseshit out of him with stiff looking kicks, and breaking out the entire line of finishers that he can think of. Beats HOlly, grabs the mic and cuts a promo about what the fuck ever. Point is, he would be over. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not after being squashed in his first two matches. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Waltman got squashed for like 2 months before he beat Razor and he was over.
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 Outside the match with Bret, Waltman was never seen as credible.
Black Lushus Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 can't say I've liked Waltman in ANY of his incarnations ever....ever...
Ripper Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 Outside the match with Bret, Waltman was never seen as credible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What? People seroiusly, are we denying that Waltman wasn't hugely over after the 1-2-3 Kid/ Razor thing? He was EXTREMELY over in WCW as part of the NWO and in the cruiserweight division. He was really REALLY over in DX. I think the main point of what I was saying is that no wrestler wanted to lose too, or have to sell for a kid that got his chance through a TV contest. If a established wrestler that had paid some dues in the indies was the winner, the wrestlers would be more open to it. All the tough enough guys were cookie cutter when coming into the company. The same interview, the same first match where they display their ability to do pedestrian bumps, toss in a few punches and a drop kick, and thats it. And fans aren't that stupid. They learned what to expect from the TE winners. You want a angle to go over, it has to be something that wasn't seen coming and a extablished wrestler getting the shit beaten out of them by a TE winner(who displays a deep offensive moveset) would have gotten the crowd into it. And seeing as TE was nothing more than a commercial for the WWE, it would have been a low cost angle to run. Now they are spending millions of dollars on a couple of no talent chicks and cut all the TE winners blowing what they at least could have used as a angle.
Lord of The Curry Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 Waltman wasn't that great but to pretend he was never really over is straight ignorance.
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 No he was over but I'm saying he wasn't credible, at least to me.
Guest MikeSC Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 Russo has Waltman as a credible WWF World Title contender in 1998.
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 Well I wasn't watching WWE in 1998, so I missed that. It's personal opinion really.
Lord of The Curry Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 Russo has Waltman as a credible WWF World Title contender in 1998. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is that supposed to help make a point? Using Russo may not be the best way to do that.
Ripper Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 It doesn't matter who did it, it matters that it happened. He said he was CREDIBLE. and I have to agree.
The Niggardly King Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 I always hated Waltman, but the dude was over quite a bit during the 123 Kid days, and in the DX days.
Guest nokia Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 Not a tough enough winner, but still RELEASED as of today credit; wwe.com "World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of former Tough Enough hopeful Brian Danovich. WWE wishes Brian the best in his future endeavors." * this was the guy that tore his biceps muscle as STILL competed til he was cut from the show....
DrVenkman PhD Posted September 19, 2005 Report Posted September 19, 2005 If Time Travelling Billy Graham got released from his job in the WWE... then.. wait... history is not right!
Hunter's Torn Quad Posted September 20, 2005 Report Posted September 20, 2005 You know, I always had this dream angle where they would use Tough Enough to get a unknown wrestler over. It would work with some indy guy that is very good and they were going to sign anyway, say like Low-ki. They would do the whole tough Enough thing, and Ki would win of course, and for his first night at Raw, he would give the "Gee willikers, I am so happy to be on Raw" interview and then do the corney "Oh my god its Hardcore Holly, I am SHOCKED and a little AFRAID and SCARED face." He would lose in a squash and the only offense he would show would be a drop kick. Then the next week he would give the EXACT same promo, word for word about being happy to be in the WWE. Holly would come out and get on him about saying the same thing and he would do the same shocked and afraid and scared face and the same results in the match. Then on the third week, EXACT same promo, Holly interrupts, but as the camera stays on his face after the shocked and scared face, it turns to angry and evil. match goes almost the same, all squashish, with Holly about to pull off his finisher, when wrestler excapes, looks at him slowly with the evil face and proceeds to beat the ever loving horseshit out of him with stiff looking kicks, and breaking out the entire line of finishers that he can think of. Beats HOlly, grabs the mic and cuts a promo about what the fuck ever. Point is, he would be over. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not after being squashed in his first two matches. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Waltman got squashed for like 2 months before he beat Razor and he was over. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not the kind of over that meant something. Kid was 'over' as an opening act underdog who the crowd thought it was cute to cheer for. He wasn't over when it came to actually being someone they took seriously. That didn't happen for years into his stay.
Lil' Bitch Posted September 20, 2005 Report Posted September 20, 2005 That's too bad about Brian, that guy was hardcore.
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