Summerslam buyrate in

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Why must some people insist on Hogan / Cena? If anything, by all rights, Hogan / Orton is the way to go.

[Dangerous A 0]

If they do anything with Hogan, it should be a dream match, like with Austin. Hogan won't "put over" Cena, Orton, or anyone for that matter. Sure, he'll job, but he won't be putting over any of these guys. Hogan is only interested in putting himself over. He did it with Warrior. He did it with Rock. He did it with Kidman. He jobbed to them and they all got exactly squat from it. Cena won't get a rub from Hogan. If anything, he'd get overshadowed by him.

 

Keep your future away from Hogan. Do your dream match with Austin and get your money. How hard is that to contemplate?

[Paul Stanley 0]

If they do anything with Hogan, it should be a dream match, like with Austin. Hogan won't "put over" Cena, Orton, or anyone for that matter. Sure, he'll job, but he won't be putting over any of these guys. Hogan is only interested in putting himself over. He did it with Warrior. He did it with Rock. He did it with Kidman. He jobbed to them and they all got exactly squat from it. Cena won't get a rub from Hogan. If anything, he'd get overshadowed by him.

 

Keep your future away from Hogan. Do your dream match with Austin and get your money. How hard is that to contemplate?

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Give that man a medal.

[Naked Snake 0]

I guess that depends on how you define "good."  They're mostly down from last year, albeit slightly.  They put a "dream match" on for Summerslam and it only got them an extra 75K-100K buys.  And there's nothing to indicate they have anything good to put on for the rest of the year.

 

If I was an investor, I wouldn't be overly excited.

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An extra 7,500 buys is nothing. An extra 75,000 is a lot because after you've paid the cable providers that's an extra million or so into the company bottom line.

[Guest Brian]

Of course, it depends how much it cost to get those extra couple of buys. Unless they had a prior contract on the books with Hogan, it's probably not that great. Hogan knows his value.

[cabbageboy 0]

I don't really think the Ultimate Warrior was buried by Hogan at all, at least not in that match at WM 6. It was Warrior's own inability to get over once champ and a lack of decent feuds that did him in.

 

Hogan's always been odd in his choices of who he wants to put over. Warrior yes, UT in 91 (albeit in screwy fashion), Yokozuna in 93.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I don't really think the Ultimate Warrior was buried by Hogan at all, at least not in that match at WM 6.  It was Warrior's own inability to get over once champ and a lack of decent feuds that did him in.

 

Hogan's always been odd in his choices of who he wants to put over.  Warrior yes, UT in 91 (albeit in screwy fashion), Yokozuna in 93.

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Hogan totally stole the spotlight from Warrior at WM 6. Instead of the fans thinking, "Wow, Warrior just beat Hogan. He's the man", they were thinking, "Wow, Hogan is so great even in defeat. Let's cheer for him". Warrior won the match, but Hogan went over. Same deal with the Rock match at WM X8.

[Guest Mumm Ra]

Hogan put over Goldberg clean, and it was ALL about Goldberg.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

He expected to get the job back at Starrcade, their Wrestlemania...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

WM21 did one hell of a buyrate and Hogan wasn't expected to do a match. That's not because of Hogan, it's because of everyone else. The show was stuffed with upper tier guys, meaning that the Chris Masters and even Booker Ts of the WWE didn't get any camera time. I think of the whole show, the lowest ranked guy was either Christian or Shelton.

 

They put together a very similar card for Vengeance, having just moved over many of Smackdown's top card except for JBL and Undertaker, and had both titles defended, and it did very well too.

 

People just aren't as interested in seeing Hogan anymore. That said, people will buy PPVs but not these Judgment Day or Unforgiven ones. Why would you want to pay $30 for a one-brand PPV when in a few months you can pay $40 and see all the top guys and all the titles being defended on both brands? Vengeance was practically a two-brand card, as far as top tier guys go (which is what people pay to see) at a one-brand show price.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Hogan put over Goldberg clean..

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Then I guess I only imagined Goldberg being relegated to the semi-main event position on the next two PPV's after his win and not even wrestling at Fall Brawl or World War II. Yeah, Goldberg was put over(!).

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Hogan has always had an ingenius way of, in any situation, always ensuring the spotlight never leaves him.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Of course, it depends how much it cost to get those extra couple of buys.

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If you mean how much they're paying Hogan to come in and draw those buys, then they could pay off a few Diva Search contest winners with what Hogan gets per PPV.

[Guest Brian]

I think they'll find room in their wallet no matter what for those divas.

[CBright7831 0]

Let's see how this crappy Unforgiven card draws. If it does, then we'll know Cena is a big draw.

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But it won't.

[Guest fanofcoils]

I rewatched Hogan-Warrior from Wrestlemania 6 recently and it seemed Warrior's reactions weren't always huge. From my memory, when his music hits, the crowd does not go wild. It is thought Hogan put over Warrior clean but Hogan did kick out right after Warrior made the pin, but I don't think that matters at all. Hogan congradulated Warrior, and I don't see how the crowd was cheering just for Hogan at the end and not the Warrior or Warrior and Hogan. So how did Hogan not put Warrior over at Wrestlemania 6? Though it is pretty obvious Hogan didn't try to put over Warrior after Wrestlemania 6 by taking away most/all good opponents for him I think. Was there something wrong with Warrior's push to the Wrestlemania 6 show? And was Warrior's downfall the lack of good opponents, if it was something else, explain.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

So how did Hogan not put Warrior over at Wrestlemania 6?

 

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As I said, he completely and totally stole the spotlight from Warrior. The focus was entirely on Hogan and how gracious he was in defeat. Remember the last image of WM 6 as a folorn Hogan rode off into the sunset? The people didn't think how great it was that Warrior was now champion. They were thinking how gracious and humble Hogan was after he lost.

[Guest fanofcoils]

Actually the last image of Wrestlemania 6 was Warrior posing on the video screen. I don't remember Hogan being the complete spotlight even though he had the gracious moment after the match.

[Guest Brian]

The story of the match revolved around Hogan, down to him nearly kicking out at the end, and him being gracious in defeat. Hogan doesn't get enough credit for being as smart of a worker (in the ring) as he is; and he worked everyone.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Makes me wish for Hogan/Austin just to see Hogan pull that shit on Austin and Austin just stunning him, probably to a massive pop.

[Jericholic82 0]

Let's see how this crappy Unforgiven card draws. If it does, then we'll know Cena is a big draw.

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how many people buy a ppv to see one guy?

[Perfxion 0]

these days, nobody. In the 80s, everyone bought to see Hogan.

[Guest Dumb Monkey]

(Hogan draws a good buyrate)

 

BOO! Hogan can't draw! He never put anyone over ever never!

 

(Hogan/Warrior mentioned, and I'm sure Hogan/Rock was too)

 

BOO! Hogan stole the spotlight! He forced the cameramen, the technical crew, and everyone in the stadium to focus on him! He's an egomaniac!

 

or

 

(Hogan/Goldberg)

 

BOO! He was just getting his job back! BOO!

 

Jesus people, either get a fucking life or stop with the hypocritcal behavior.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

*snip*

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Hogan can draw, but only as a nostalgia act. He rarely puts people over, and even when actually doing a job it's rare that it is the kind of job that puts the other guy over. He did steal the spotlight from both Rock and Warrior, and if you can't see that then that's your problem.

 

If you'd like to actually add something to this debate at some point, feel free to.

[2GOLD 0]

Is Unforgiven really even about Cena vs Angle?

Seems like it was more about Master vs HBK, Carlito vs Flair and Hardy vs Edge. Cena vs Angle was like the fourth feud...hell it might be #5 behind the stupid "Torrie and Candice don't like Ashley" feud.

 

And just curious, how will everyone react if the man who breaks the Masterlock ends up being Hulk Hogan?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Is Unforgiven really even about Cena vs Angle?

 

And just curious, how will everyone react if the man who breaks the Masterlock ends up being Hulk Hogan?

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Is Unforgiven really even about Cena vs Angle?

 

It seems to be, yes. It's getting the main event style push, and is usually the stuff that ends Raw.

 

And just curious, how will everyone react if the man who breaks the Masterlock ends up being Hulk Hogan?

 

I think we'll break the record for most obscenities in a single thread.

[BUTT 0]

Hogan put over Lesnar. I don't think he really intended to, but he did.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Hogan put over Lesnar.

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Yes, but he wanted to beat Lesnar clean for the WWE title in return. When that didn't happen, he refused to come out and play.

[pochorenella 0]

Getting back on topic, what do you guys think are the actual reasons for this - dare I call it - great buyrate for SummerSlam?

[Guest Lawlerm]

So how did Hogan not put Warrior over at Wrestlemania 6?

 

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As I said, he completely and totally stole the spotlight from Warrior. The focus was entirely on Hogan and how gracious he was in defeat. Remember the last image of WM 6 as a folorn Hogan rode off into the sunset? The people didn't think how great it was that Warrior was now champion. They were thinking how gracious and humble Hogan was after he lost.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

You mean exactly like Benoit did after he lost to Orton. Except you'd say that was putting over the new guy but when it's Hogan he's trying to bury Warrior.

 

If that's what the crowd felt it's because they weren't that into Warrior. You can only control how a crowd react to a certain extent.

 

The same as at WM X8. You can say the Rock got no rub if you want but at the end of the day he went into the biggest show of the year and beat his heel opponent clean. The crowd reaction made it neccessary for Hogan to turn face. It' s the fitting ending to a supposed 'dream match' to have the 2 men shake hands in the ring - it doesn't mean Hogan was trying to steal the Rock's spotlight.