2 matches "set" for Taboo Tuesday

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These 2 matches are set for Taboo Tuesday this year, of course the stipulations will be added later...

 

CONTAINS SPOILERS !!

 

 

This is from the observer newsletter I got in the mail today...SO credit to Dave Meltzer !!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* HHH - Ric Flair

 

* Kurt Angle - John Cena (in a rematch from Unforgiven)

[Guest JoeJoe]

So Angle IS winning at Unforgiven. YAY!

 

(For smartmarks who don't get why, and I'm sure there'll be a lot of you like that, the concept of Taboo Tuesday is that the "fans" votes choose which guy faces the champion for the WWE title. And the one to be picked is obvioulsy the most popular babyface on the show. Which is Cena. So Angle wins at UFG and defends it at TT against the guy the "fans" pick, which will be Cena.)

[snuffbox 0]

So Angle IS winning at Unforgiven. YAY!

 

(For smartmarks who don't get why, and I'm sure there'll be a lot of you like that, the concept of Taboo Tuesday is that the "fans" votes choose which guy faces the champion for the WWE title. And the one to be picked is obvioulsy the most popular babyface on the show. Which is Cena. So Angle wins at UFG and defends it at TT against the guy the "fans" pick, which will be Cena.)

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Thanks for clearing that up...

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Well it could also be a "fans pick the stipulation" type match as well, with Cena winning at Unforgiven and then Cena offers the irate Angle a rematch only if the fans get to pick their stipulation - which Angle agrees too eventually.

[RedJed 0]

So Angle IS winning at Unforgiven. YAY!

 

(For smartmarks who don't get why, and I'm sure there'll be a lot of you like that, the concept of Taboo Tuesday is that the "fans" votes choose which guy faces the champion for the WWE title. And the one to be picked is obvioulsy the most popular babyface on the show. Which is Cena. So Angle wins at UFG and defends it at TT against the guy the "fans" pick, which will be Cena.)

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That's not a given they will do the same kind of typical stips and formula as last year. I think, in fact, they likely WONT since there was alot of assuming that the fact that they didnt have a clear world title match and did the pick the challenger thing might have hurt the card overall, in that there wasnt a clear main event match to build. So chances are it will be Cena v. Angle with a stipulation that will be decided by the fans.

 

I'll be interested to see how different they do this show compared to last years. I really like the concept behind this but there were definate mistakes from last year that they should work on.

 

What decent stip(s) could be added to a HHH-Flair match?

[Guest JoeJoe]

That's not a given they will do the same kind of typical stips and formula as last year. I think, in fact, they likely WONT since there was alot of assuming that the fact that they didnt have a clear world title match and did the pick the challenger thing might have hurt the card overall, in that there wasnt a clear main event match to build. So chances are it will be Cena v. Angle with a stipulation that will be decided by the fans.

I think the main selling point of the PPV is that the fans decide which guy faces the champion. Voting for a stupid stip, while WWE already decides which guy is contending for the belt, will take away the entire purpose of the PPV. But then again, this is Vince. You never know.

Or they could even do a triple threat, where Cena-Angle is a fix, and a thrid guy gets to jump in. I say that by the looks of the poster they've released.

 

 

What decent stip(s) could be added to a HHH-Flair match?

If Hunter books it? 60 minute time limit "Whose the greatest wrestler of all time" match.

[Dark Age 0]

He said decent.

[cabbageboy 0]

Why is it for some reason I think Angle/Cena at Unforgiven will end in a lame DQ? Angle can't afford to lose there and they might not want to job Cena out....I'm feeling Kurt not letting go of the anklelock when Cena's in the ropes.

 

I hope it doesn't happen, but given Angle's character of late it seems possible.

[CanadianChris 0]

I'm feeling Kurt not letting go of the anklelock when Cena's in the ropes. 

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I can't believe they would end a PPV that way. That sounds much more like the ending of a Raw match.

[Black Lushus 0]

not to mention it'll make the world champ seen completely weak...

[Team Angle Pusher 0]

They shouldn't waste Flair/HHH like this. Oh and I'm hoping Angle does win at Taboo Tuesday.

[Precious Roy 0]

What decent stip(s) could be added to a HHH-Flair match?

 

Hell In A Cell

I Quit

2/3 Falls (my choice)

Last Man Standing (my 2nd choice)

 

I wouldn't want to see them in the cell, but of course if that's what they want it would happen, it would beat any other gimmick in a popular vote. the cell would be perfect for Angle and Cena actually, but we don't get supercage matches unless HHH is involved

[The Mandarin 0]

I really want to see a Flair/HHH two-out-of-three falls match because I'm so blindly in love with Flair, I don't even notice that he sucks in the ring.

 

Bring it the hell on.

[BHK 0]

I'm feeling Kurt not letting go of the anklelock when Cena's in the ropes. 

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I can't believe they would end a PPV that way. That sounds much more like the ending of a Raw match.

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Austin/Angle, SimmerSLam 2001.

 

Although I don't think that DQ finish was lame.

 

Also, I'd mark if they went Heel/Heel for Survivor Series and Did HHH/Angle, becsue they ahven't had a match in what? 5 years?

[cabbageboy 0]

Pretty sure HHH/Angle was last at the No Way Out in 2002, with Angle actually WINNING with a Steph run in....but HHH got the WM title shot back the next night.

 

Sadly enough I did also think of that HHH/Angle match with HHH getting the title back, thus making poor Kurt a transition guy.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

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Thanks for clearing that up...

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It can be fun reading the posts of people who think they know what they are talking about, can't it?

 

I don't see Cena losing the belt to Angle at Unforgiven just to drop it back to Cena at TT. Not only shouldn't Cena be losing to belt at this point in time, and especially not to Angle who isn't ready for a title reign, even a transitional one, but when Cena does lose the belt he's going to have a chase to get the belt back. The most likely scenario for Cena when he does drop the belt is to have him lose it at the Raw January PPV if they have one, enter the Rumble and win it to get the WM 22 title shot, and for them to build towards Cena regaining the belt. Cena is the guy they see as their next big thing, and they won't spoil that with a lame transitional title reign scenario.

 

I think what will happen is that Cena will beat Angle at Unforgiven, either by pinfall or disqualification, and that Angle will lay Cena out afterwards. The selling point behind TT, which is supposed to be the built around the fans choices, is that Cena will get the crowd behind him by letting them choose how he gets his revenge on Kurt Angle. The fans will choose a big stip, Cena will beat Angle into a mess to get his revenge, and the fans feel like they had a hand in the top babyface getting his big revenge, and feel more compelled to vote and pay to see the next TT PPV.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I could see Angle beating Cena by ref stoppage after Cena refuses to quit from the anklelock, but can't escape it either. Much drama happens and the title is suspended and will be decided at TT in a match by the fans' choosing. That way you can keep both guys' heat, continue the feud, and give the TT match added importance.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I could see Angle beating Cena by ref stoppage after Cena refuses to quit from the anklelock, but can't escape it either.  Much drama happens and the title is suspended and will be decided at TT in a match by the fans' choosing.  That way you can keep both guys' heat, continue the feud, and give the TT match added importance.

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Why wouldn't the title change hands if Cena passes out?

 

I still don't see Cena losing the belt, even if it is only because the title is suspended.

[Precious Roy 0]

I could see Angle beating Cena by ref stoppage after Cena refuses to quit from the anklelock, but can't escape it either.  Much drama happens and the title is suspended and will be decided at TT in a match by the fans' choosing.  That way you can keep both guys' heat, continue the feud, and give the TT match added importance.

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they should bring Hebner back for a one shot deal and fire him the next night over the decision. If they're going to do something like that they need to go all the way and really sell it, because I hate bullshit title rulings. If it's important enough to hold up the world title it's important enough to shitcan a referee.

[Guest *KNK*]

I'm feeling Kurt not letting go of the anklelock when Cena's in the ropes. 

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I can't believe they would end a PPV that way. That sounds much more like the ending of a Raw match.

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Austin/Angle, SimmerSLam 2001.

 

Although I don't think that DQ finish was lame.

 

Also, I'd mark if they went Heel/Heel for Survivor Series and Did HHH/Angle, becsue they ahven't had a match in what? 5 years?

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That didn't main event Summer Slam 2001 (Rock/Booker) and it was a completely different thing...

 

Austin was DQ'ed for constantly hitting the referee...which is different from that supposed finish of Angle not letting go of the Anklelock despite Cena reaching the ropes...

 

Many PPV's have ended with a DQ finish in the main event, even @ WrestleMania.

 

Heel/Heel matches tend to suck and Triple H/Angle is one of the best examples of this.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The problem with ending a PPV with a DQ is that you piss off the fans who purchased the PPV. People don't pay $34.95 to see a PPV with a DQ finish in the main event.

[Guest *KNK*]

The problem with ending a PPV with a DQ is that you piss off the fans who purchased the PPV. People don't pay $34.95 to see a PPV with a DQ finish in the main event.

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I agree completely, unless you can follow that DQ with some super hot post-match segment where fans can neglect the match ended in a DQ, it's a risky move to make unless you are certain you have a hot follow-up to it.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The problem with ending a PPV with a DQ is that you piss off the fans who purchased the PPV. People don't pay $34.95 to see a PPV with a DQ finish in the main event.

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I agree completely, unless you can follow that DQ with some super hot post-match segment where fans can neglect the match ended in a DQ, it's a risky move to make unless you are certain you have a hot follow-up to it.

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Smart booking can get you around the 'need' for a DQ finish. You can have a pinfall and still get to where you want to go without having to resort to a DQ.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Why wouldn't the title change hands if Cena passes out?

 

I never said pass out. Think of it more as Tim Sylvia/Frank Mir. Cena comes out the next night, in crutches, and says he never lost the title. Angle comes out and says he won the title fairly. Cena says he never tapped. Cena says "let's do it right now". Before Angle agrees, Bischoff comes out and says that the refs ruling stands because the ref was looking out for Cenas safety. Vince McMahon comes out and asks the audience if they agree with the title ruling, which segues into Taboo Tuesday. Vince says something like this has never happened before in the WWE, so the title is in dispute and will be suspended until Taboo Tuesday where the fans get to decide the fate of the WWE title (the matches will be one that favours Angle, one that favours Cena, and another match that doesn't favour either).

 

After Vince leaves, Bischoff puts Cena on a 30 day leave period, preventing Cena from wrestling on a bad ankle, or as Bisch puts it "to protect Cena from himself". Hell, he could even call Angle the "interim champion", where Angle goes on to defend his version of the WWE title against tomato cans. This leads to Cena, who is banned from competing, to run in from the audience at various times to fuck with Angle and whatnot.

 

Would all this happen? No, of course not. I suck at predicting what the WWE is going to do, because I usually use their own logic better than they do and mix it in with good booking. But, they _have_ been doing more unconventional finishes for matches that mirror UFC finishes - KO's spots, for example. Excessive Bloodloss is another one.

 

I still don't see Cena losing the belt, even if it is only because the title is suspended.

 

But this would enhance Cenas current character. Cena is all about "real, recognizin real", and HE'S the REAL champ, cause he never lost. "THE CHAMP IS HERE" takes on a newer meaning. You could go so far as to Cena calling himself "The Peoples Champ"

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

You make a good argument for your position Rudo, but I still don't see it happening. I think we'll get something closer to what I think will happen.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I think they have been building Angle up too strong for him not to lose. The position on Angle is, "this is the best he's ever been" - it would do some severe damage to him if he were to lose this.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I think they have been building Angle up too strong for him not to lose.  The position on Angle is, "this is the best he's ever been" - it would do some severe damage to him if he were to lose this.

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True, but Cena is their golden boy right now. Also, even if Angle does lose, he can get his back and then some by beating Cena up so bad he has to get stretchered out. They could even have Cena be medically barred from wrestling until TT.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I don't think Angle could get his heat back through the post-match beatdown. I mean, the contention is is that he's the best wrestler in the world. If he can't get it done in the ring, then he has failed. I don't think they can compromise that at this stage in the game, if they hope to continue the feud. Would Angle be dead-in-the-water after a loss? No. But I think he would be a lot more strong if he didn't lose. The problem with the Jericho feud is that no one believed Jericho would win, and I think the same thing goes for Angle right now (a lil less for Angle), simply because its clear this is "John Cenas time". By Angle getting the victory at Unforgiven, it puts him in a stronger position.

 

I agree with you on the fact that Cena can't lose either, since they have invested so much in him already and that he's one of the few hot properties they have. I think the ref stoppage thing would be the best possible finish. Cena could be hurt slightly, because the visual and logic behind the anklelock finish would suggest that Cena really did "lose" the match, but then again it could help Cena in that Cena never gave up. There is also a polarity in the finish, and I think that would benefit the feud because Angle -at least the last time I saw him on TV- was getting more and more over as a fan favourite, and Cena was receiving some boos. Both guys have good reasoning behind their arguments, so you get the Angle fans thinking one thing and the Cena fans thinking another, putting more heat on the feud.

 

But because it's the best possible finish doesn't mean that it's the one they will do. I think your suggestion is more likely, because that's the one they often do use. But what they've been doing lately has me wondering...

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

One could assume that Flair beats Carlito for the IC title, and then when HHH comes back, he comes out in the middle of a rematch and instead of helping Flair, he costs him the match/title.

 

Theres no way the match is for the IC title..and theres no way its just "lets have a match to see who's the best"...HHH is going to have to do something to piss off Flair.

 

Oh, and I could really see the match ending with HBK coming down to the ring to save Flair, and then instead of hitting either, they all hug and you get 3/4 of the 4 horsemen reformed.

 

This would make sense especially with Survivor Series coming up and a possible Elimination Chamber match, HHH grouping up with HBK and the mystery 4th Horsemen (Angle? Edge?) to be in the match (flair wouldn't be in the EC match) so that the deck would be "stacked" against Cena again...

[Guest JoeJoe]

It can be fun reading the posts of people who think they know what they are talking about, can't it?

Especially when you're gettings schooled in the nicest way possible.

 

I don't see Cena losing the belt to Angle at Unforgiven just to drop it back to Cena at TT. Not only shouldn't Cena be losing to belt at this point in time, and especially not to Angle who isn't ready for a title reign, even a transitional one

I'd like to know what makes you think that. Angle is red hot right now. Take it for what its worth buyt Ross in his report DOES keep on mentioning that Angle is good enough to take the belt off Cena one of these days. I see it happening at either UFG or TT.

Remember, Angle's stature in the company is not like that of Jericho's. I see no reason why the top heel in the company can't take the title away from the top face.