Foley/Carlito Stipulation

[Guest *KNK*]

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull some sort of trick to have Foley wrestle as all three gimmicks. Maybe have him start out as Dude Love, they fight to the back where they 'lose' Foley and he reappears as Mankind and then they do some other gimmick where Foley is out of sight and then he returns as Cactus Jack. Carlito can then beat him clean, and they can play it up as Foley having to resort to all three of his wrestling personalities to fight Carlito but that it still wasn't enough to get the win.

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Isn't this what WCW did once with Jarrett/Sting? Only with actors playing the various incarnations of Sting?

 

It would be completely convoluted to pull that off but it's right up WWE's alley.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull some sort of trick to have Foley wrestle as all three gimmicks. Maybe have him start out as Dude Love, they fight to the back where they 'lose' Foley and he reappears as Mankind and then they do some other gimmick where Foley is out of sight and then he returns as Cactus Jack. Carlito can then beat him clean, and they can play it up as Foley having to resort to all three of his wrestling personalities to fight Carlito but that it still wasn't enough to get the win.

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Isn't this what WCW did once with Jarrett/Sting? Only with actors playing the various incarnations of Sting?

 

It would be completely convoluted to pull that off but it's right up WWE's alley.

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Yes, and it completely ruined what could have been a decent match had they kept the bullshit out if it. I think it could be a great idea, if only because it puts Carlito over Mick strong, and it avoids the need for a crazy hardcore gimmick match.

[Guest *KNK*]

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull some sort of trick to have Foley wrestle as all three gimmicks. Maybe have him start out as Dude Love, they fight to the back where they 'lose' Foley and he reappears as Mankind and then they do some other gimmick where Foley is out of sight and then he returns as Cactus Jack. Carlito can then beat him clean, and they can play it up as Foley having to resort to all three of his wrestling personalities to fight Carlito but that it still wasn't enough to get the win.

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Isn't this what WCW did once with Jarrett/Sting? Only with actors playing the various incarnations of Sting?

 

It would be completely convoluted to pull that off but it's right up WWE's alley.

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Yes, and it completely ruined what could have been a decent match had they kept the bullshit out if it. I think it could be a great idea, if only because it puts Carlito over Mick strong, and it avoids the need for a crazy hardcore gimmick match.

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Also, Foley is cutesy and creative enough to make it work on a comedy level.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I always liked Cactus Jack so that gets my vote.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

That idea of Mick being all 3 in one match is a bad one. Why? Because it's CARLITO. If it was against somebody that could be seen as a threat in the ring without having to cheat ALL THE TIME, then sure, go for it. But Carlito is booked as a sneaky cheater, so it's a bad idea to put him over that much.

 

And KNK, why the venom towards Foley? He technically didn't break his word, since he retired from full-time active wrestling and comes in for a month or two now and then to put somebody over.

[Aero 0]

I wouldn't consider voting for Mankind unless he did it as classic brown-attired Mankind. Cactus was done last year, so I'd vote for Dude Love.

[CBright7831 0]

Foley is going to hate the fans if they pick Dude, because fromall accounts, he does not like Dude Love at all.

[nl5xsk1 0]

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull some sort of trick to have Foley wrestle as all three gimmicks. Maybe have him start out as Dude Love, they fight to the back where they 'lose' Foley and he reappears as Mankind and then they do some other gimmick where Foley is out of sight and then he returns as Cactus Jack. Carlito can then beat him clean, and they can play it up as Foley having to resort to all three of his wrestling personalities to fight Carlito but that it still wasn't enough to get the win.

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Isn't this what WCW did once with Jarrett/Sting? Only with actors playing the various incarnations of Sting?

 

It would be completely convoluted to pull that off but it's right up WWE's alley.

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Indeed they did ... http://www.wrestlecrap.com/newinduction1.html

 

And I don't get how it was dishonorable for him to go back to the WWE instead of TNA ... if anything, going back to the place that made you rich and famous is more honorable than not going back. And to be pissed because he wants to make money and plug his books is bullshit. Regardless of morals or whatever word you want to use, he's a businessman making a smart business decision.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

The Dude gets my vote.

[Guest Mr. FoosBrawl]

Foley is going to hate the fans if they pick Dude, because fromall accounts, he does not like Dude Love at all.

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I thought Foley liked the Dude Love character--that it was a character he always wanted to play. Was WWE's version of Dude Love just not what Mick wanted?

[Black Lushus 0]

if he hates Dude, I'd vote just to spite him...

[Guest *KNK*]

and by "Mankind", are we talking about the authentic Mankind circa 1996-1997 or the babyface version that was essentially Mick Foley in his normal clothing with a mask.

[bob_barron 0]

Damn Mick Foley for wanting to make some extra money and feed his family. He's just wrestling Carlito, it's not like he's back to being a full timer.

[Black Lushus 0]

Damn Mick Foley for wanting to make some extra money and feed his family. He's just wrestling Carlito, it's not like he's back to being a full timer.

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I have a hard time believing Mick Foley has problems feeding his family...

[Guest *KNK*]

Damn Mick Foley for wanting to make some extra money and feed his family. He's just wrestling Carlito, it's not like he's back to being a full timer.

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I have a hard time believing Mick Foley has problems feeding his family...

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It should be noted that Foley had no problem working for free with Ring of Honor. (not all shows he worked free). If he was so hard up for money and needed to feed his family, why would he use himself for free for a small promotion that a tiny fraction of people would see? Easy, he's mark and needs to be involved with the business at all times. BTW, He plugged his books in ROH as well.

 

Foley had basically agreed to sign with TNA until Vince caught wind and threw a larger contract at him, which is understandable for Foley to take. Easy money, free promotion and doesn't have to put much effort into it (as evident from his phoned in promo this week).

 

I have no problem with anyone going for the $, that's natural and human to do. I would likely done the same thing but using the "He was trying to feed his family" excuse is ludicrous.

 

My "issue" with Foley is that he went against everything he said. He admited to being a businessman but he also preached "value" and "integrity", something he threw out the window.

 

He said he wanted to leave his career on a postitive high note, and he could have done that in 2000 with Triple H and the WM main event. I'll even accept the Orton program as an acceptable conclusion to his career. This is a man who said he didn't want to be like Terry Funk or any other workers who say they retired but still work.

 

Foley might be "part-time" (Hasn't worked since the Kawada match), but that's only because of the injury and because he knows the importance of limiting his match load to maximize his paycheck. I don't mind him coming back to work another match, I'm just disapointed that a guy like him with creative influence (Foley would have no trouble convincing Vince "Let me do my own program") simply took the check and agreed to work Carlito, after spending months praising real workers as the future of the business and only to return to work with someone who epitomizes the complete opposite.

[bob_barron 0]

I never said he was hardup for money, but I don't see why we should demonize a guy for taking the best deal out there and working for the company that made him rich.

[Black Lushus 0]

I never said he was hardup for money, but I don't see why we should demonize a guy for taking the best deal out there and working for the company that made him rich.

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we wouldn't demonize him if he didn't clearly half-ass every appearance he's made thus far since coming back...

[Guest *KNK*]

I never said he was hardup for money, but I don't see why we should demonize a guy for taking the best deal out there and working for the company that made him rich.

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we wouldn't demonize him if he didn't clearly half-ass every appearance he's made thus far since coming back...

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Precisely, it's clear his heart isn't even into it anymore. An amazing contrast to his indy work where he appeared to be concerned and into it. In WWE, since returning he has been the definition of "phoning it in".

 

It's just proof that Foley comes in for the pop and for the check on the way out.

 

If he's willing to be passionate about something for free, why can't he feign that emotion for the large contract he signed?

[pochorenella 0]

I never said he was hardup for money, but I don't see why we should demonize a guy for taking the best deal out there and working for the company that made him rich.

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we wouldn't demonize him if he didn't clearly half-ass every appearance he's made thus far since coming back...

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Which are those? His two interview segments (Piper's Pit, Cabana) that he's made thus far? Those were just that. Interviews. I'm sure he could step up if it were a somewhat extended program, like the one with Orton (where I think he DID deliver, both interview and in-ring wise.) This Carlito thing seems to be a short-term one, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Guest *KNK*]

I never said he was hardup for money, but I don't see why we should demonize a guy for taking the best deal out there and working for the company that made him rich.

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we wouldn't demonize him if he didn't clearly half-ass every appearance he's made thus far since coming back...

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Which are those? His two interview segments (Piper's Pit, Cabana) that he's made thus far? Those were just that. Interviews. I'm sure he could step up if it were a somewhat extended program, like the one with Orton (where I think he DID deliver, both interview and in-ring wise.) This Carlito thing seems to be a short-term one, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Yes, he did deliver in Orton program because he was clearly inspired. Something he isn't, as of right now for this current run. Foley has always preached the importance of the "money" promo and selling it, but look at the promo this monday, to set up this pointless program, he virtually offered zero sizzle. Everything was phoned in, from the context of the promo itself and the delivery along with the (lack) of emotion.

 

Maybe Foley has something saved for the next two shows, I can only hope so but he hasn't been anywhere near where he should be.

[bob_barron 0]

The last time I saw Foley in ROH he was pretty bad but I digress.

 

I don't see a problem with Foley coming in just for a pop and a check, especially if he's just feuding with Carlito.

[Black Lushus 0]

I never said he was hardup for money, but I don't see why we should demonize a guy for taking the best deal out there and working for the company that made him rich.

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we wouldn't demonize him if he didn't clearly half-ass every appearance he's made thus far since coming back...

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Which are those? His two interview segments (Piper's Pit, Cabana) that he's made thus far? Those were just that. Interviews. I'm sure he could step up if it were a somewhat extended program, like the one with Orton (where I think he DID deliver, both interview and in-ring wise.) This Carlito thing seems to be a short-term one, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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yup, those...both were bland...similar to the shit we're getting from Austin these days...maybe it's just my perseption of it, they just seemed very uninspired, nothing at all like the old days...now, granted, it probably takes an iron will to get yourself inspired for a Carlito fued but come on...

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Indeed they did ... http://www.wrestlecrap.com/newinduction1.html

 

That's great!

[chaosrage 0]

If Dude Love doesn't win, the poll was rigged.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

The real question is would Foley work differently as Dude Love as he would as Mankind or Cactus Jack? If he is true to the 1998 Dude, I don't want to see him vs Carlito. Then again I don't want to see Carlito.

[nl5xsk1 0]

It's just proof that Foley comes in for the pop and for the check on the way out.

 

If he's willing to be passionate about something for free, why can't he feign that emotion for the large contract he signed?

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My opinion:

He's hyping his book. Period. I'm sure they threw some extra money at him for a match or a beatdown in an interview but the reason he's coming back is to spread the word about his book. The time spent in the WWE is little more than time spent on the Jimmy Kimmel show. It's all about increasing the book sales.

 

/doesn't bother me.

[CBright7831 0]

What they could do is Foley doesn't take Carlito as a serious threat (and who would?) and have Carltio surprise him.

[reign 0]

What I wanna know is who in the company actually thinks Carlito is good...his matches suck and he's already stale on the mike...unless this is way to hit the reset button on his stupid ass gimmick by making him a credible contender then Foley needs to go over...Orton is one thing but Mick will start to lose his own credibilty by losing to Carlito...they shoulda given this one to Edge or Conway since he's also doing the Legend Killer thing...can't somebody on this board hack into WWE.Com or something and change the match...hell I'd vote for a Foley versus the broomstick over this impending crap...but maybe Carlito will bleed....

[Guest rawmvp]

I'm totally voting for the Dude.

 

To this day, I've still haven't laughed as hard than when everyone was waiting for Austin's tag team partner to come out...we see a pair of white boots backstage coming to the ring -- commercial break -- the Dude Love titantron video comes on...the theme music blares over the speakers...Foley comes out in tie-dye, sunglasses and a headband...Duuuuude Love, Duuuude Love...Nah Nah Nah...Naahhhhhhhhh... Foley does the *legs open, legs closed* dance and I just about die laughing.

 

Yep, I'm voting for Dude Love, just to see the summer of love...errrrrr...Winter of Love in 2005.

[Guest Brian]

The Dude was my favorite Foley character. Just so completely over the top and funny. This was the pre-cursor to the Rock 'n Sock Foley IMO, except they went completely overboard with the girls and Foley's leg coming alive at SummerSlam 1997, and everything. And the interactions with a rough-edged Stone Cold. And the Titan Tron video.