And my love for wrestling has just died...

[2GOLD 0]

I'm thinking more along the lines of one of the McMahon family growing a brainstem. But that one doesn't seem possible.

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Stephanie's the one pushing the shit to us, so of course she isn't going to oppose it.

 

Vince lost touch with reality years ago.

 

Linda is the business mind of the company and she doesn't know what creative is.

 

Shane simply doesn't care about the business except for when he wants to be a wrestler for a month.

 

Triple H? Well...

 

Marissa is our best hope.

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We're fucked. Marissa literally allowed herself to be the goofy female at the request of the Macs.

[Dangerous A 0]

This was brought up on Bryan Alvarez's show with Meltz as a guest. Ultimately it's Vince. Steph just carries out what she thinks Vince wants. Vince has even had times where he didn't agree with something Steph and Co. presented him and things changed to fit Vince's vision. Hell, almost everyone in creative was against the Katie Vick angle except Kevin Dunn and Vince.

 

What Vince wants, Vince gets. He doesn't want opposition to his vision. He wants yes men (and his daughter).

[hyperchord24 0]

Well, I wouldn't think he would make us look silly on purpose, unless he's knowingly sabatoging his business. But, let me say this about the WWE. Vince is the dictator. You want to work in Japan, TNA, ROH or anywhere else, you say "Vince, you're crazy." But people don't want to burn bridges. So as long as Vince is on top, you'll get yes men and people saying want vince wants like on the warrior dvd. Here's my take on the business:

 

Vince doesn't get it. He is a dictator and will do what he wants. He knows this. He's lost touch with his fans and when USA cancels his show, he'll blame it on anyone but himself. Eventually, when HHH, Steph and Shane take over the company, all it will be is HHH promos, squash matches with HHH and whatever SCSA look-alike they can find. B/c of HHH's and Vince's ego, they will have no idea how to put their egos aside for the sake of good wrestling. They will then be bought out and everyone will shoot on Vince and HHH b/c they'll never sign another paycheck again. (this is about 20 + years down the line)

[Downhome 0]

EDIT: And how can you not understand the "Get well JR" stuff the McMahons are doing? It's rubbing salt in the wounds, it's kicking a man while he's down, it's being a heel. That sort of stuff really shouldn't be going over the heads of people with the ability to analyze a product.

 

I'ts just pathetic that someone actually had to come into this thread and post that. I was getting worried that some of the people posting in this thread were retarded.

 

I find things like that skit funny, just because it shows how clueless Vince and company are. They wonder why ratings are falling, they wonder why no one wants to advertise on their shows, and on and on.

 

Think of this:

 

Someone, have it be Vince or some other jackass, actually sat down somewhere (possibly an entire group of yes men), and thought up the idea of the skit, worked it out, wrote it down, went to the trouble to actually film it, and then aired it.

 

If that's not great unintentional comedy, then I don't know what is.

[Gary Floyd 0]

Vince doesn't get it. He is a dictator and will do what he wants. He knows this. He's lost touch with his fans and when USA cancels his show, he'll blame it on anyone but himself. Eventually, when HHH, Steph and Shane take over the company, all it will be is HHH promos, squash matches with HHH and whatever SCSA look-alike they can find. B/c of HHH's and Vince's ego, they will have no idea how to put their egos aside for the sake of good wrestling. They will then be bought out and everyone will shoot on Vince and HHH b/c they'll never sign another paycheck again. (this is about 20 + years down the line) 

After all the bullshit we've seen from this company, I'm starting to believe that in 20 + years, there will no longer be a WWE.

[hyperchord24 0]

EDIT: And how can you not understand the "Get well JR" stuff the McMahons are doing? It's rubbing salt in the wounds, it's kicking a man while he's down, it's being a heel. That sort of stuff really shouldn't be going over the heads of people with the ability to analyze a product.

 

I'ts just pathetic that someone actually had to come into this thread and post that. I was getting worried that some of the people posting in this thread were retarded.

 

I find things like that skit funny, just because it shows how clueless Vince and company are. They wonder why ratings are falling, they wonder why no one wants to advertise on their shows, and on and on.

 

Think of this:

 

Someone, have it be Vince or some other jackass, actually sat down somewhere (possibly an entire group of yes men), and thought up the idea of the skit, worked it out, wrote it down, went to the trouble to actually film it, and then aired it.

 

If that's not great unintentional comedy, then I don't know what is.

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You're abs. right. It is unintentional comedy, however, I can't laugh because I think about it way too much and the idea the he's an idiot and wants to get higher ratings, but has no clue how just BUGS me. So no, I can't find it funny.

 

But I take things way too seriously.

[Downhome 0]

I didn't laugh about it last night, I was just too...I don't really know. I wasn't really shocked, no on should be. It was just one of those things that I hated more than I can say, and if I hate something on a wrestling show, then you should know that it's absolute shit.

 

But looking back on it, and thinking about it, I can't help but to laugh. Not at the skit or anything, but rather at Vince and WWE as a whole.

 

Seeing something like that just kills the show for me. I go right along with this quote from PWInsider:

 

Even though the main event was good, after all that time with no wrestling and bad angles, was anyone else just too numb to enjoy it?

 

Now, I can't say if the main event was actually good or not (I do know I hated the ending, which is always retarded), I can't hardly remember, but I know that the skit didn't help my enjoyment of the rest of the show and the main event.

 

And then one more quote from PWInsider about the skit:

 

I know some of you are expecting a tirade from me on the skit.  To be honest with you, I just don't have it in me.  Where the classlessness of that angle is concerned, I can't help but go back in time 30 some years ago to the rock opera "Jesus Christ Superstar".  As the lead character so eloquently sang, "Once....I was inspired.  Now....I'm sad....and tired".  That is how I feel about the booking of the skit.  It was just wretched, on so many levels.  Utterly wretched. 

 

How true it is.

[JHawk 0]

It comes down to this, people.

 

What we see on a WWE TV show is designed to make us, the consumer, want to buy the PPV event and/or attend a live event in the immediate area. So angles should be designed to push the existing feuds and angles leading up to it.

 

This didn't do that.

 

Had there been something...anything...to hype Taboo Tuesday during that segment, then no matter how fucking stupid the segment was, we could say "At least they were trying to hype the PPV."

 

What did this build to? Jim Ross vs. Vince McMahon? No (and thank God for that). Coach vs. Austin? We're supposed to believe that, but there was no mention of it.

 

Simply put, whether the segment offended you or not is irrelevant. All it really did was take at least two (possibly four or more) members of the Raw roster and kept them off the show entirely with no changes to the bottom line of the company.

 

If I did such a blatant job of costing my place of employment money like this, I'd be fired in a heartbeat.

[Guest FromBeyondTheGrave]

I liked how he made reference to the Mae Young hand.

[Guest Fook_Theta]

Well Vince has made himself into a big asshole yet again, so if he wanted to elevate someone on the midcard to superstar status he could make one or more people into a credible threat to him doing whatever he wants. Ofcourse you can't redo what you've done previously. Another "Stone Cold" or "The Rock" ain't gonna cut it.

 

With the public/average wrestling fan slightly more knowledgable about Corporate Scandals, they could run a kayfabed credible challenge to his corporate empire.

[Caliban 0]

Hey, this lot seemed to enjoy it!

 

http://www.wwe-club.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=44209

 

 

[Guest clockworkraven]

Hey, this lot seemed to enjoy it!

 

http://www.wwe-club.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=44209

 

   

 

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"Critical Information

 

You have been banned from this forum.

Please contact the webmaster or board administrator for more information"

 

I've never been there before and already I'm banned from registering.

[Guest Fook_Theta]

Hey, this lot seemed to enjoy it!

 

http://www.wwe-club.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=44209

 

   

 

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if JR agreed to it then it was fine and funny. but if they did that without his knowledge/consent, i think it is horrible to make fun of what could have been a life threatening problem.

It's a shoot!

[Guest Fishyswa]

"http://www.wwe-club.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=44209"

 

That's refreshing. People actually taking something on Raw at face value.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Oh man, it's like a tree of stupid sprouted up over-night and took root in this thread.

[Exslade ZX 0]

Had there been something...anything...to hype Taboo Tuesday during that segment, then no matter how fucking stupid the segment was, we could say "At least they were trying to hype the PPV."

Well that's just stupid. Either it was just REALLY horrible, or it wasn't. There is no 'well it was building to a match, so its ok'.

 

So you're telling me that if at Survivor Series, JR faces Vince in a match. Well then now to everyone who hated this segment, it should be ok because it was building to a match? Lol.

[Downhome 0]

I agree that it seemed like something out of the attitude era. It just took me back. Hopefully WWE will start going back to that sort of stuff, because some if the things we saw were just hilarious.

 

I loved it and didn't want it to end. I would of sat there for a half hour watching Vince take things out of J.R.'s ass. The wwe should do more things like this not all the time, but some funny segment once like this once in a while would be nice to see.

 

How can you not agree with those two guys?

[Exslade ZX 0]

I have to say I do agree with the first statement, which is what boggles me. (I was gonna post something from that thread too). Like..

 

Probably the most "attitude" we have seen in a segment since the Attitude Era itself. Reminded me so much of the segments from back then.

That's what someone from that board said, and, while I wasn't the biggest fan in the attitude era, that's what exactly what it reminded me of. I mean, it was a time when Vince was sitting in a hospital bed half naked, and Stone Cold came and hit him with a fucking pee pot. Hell that's just as "funny" as this. Now whether that means actually funny, or not, is up to opinion. But that was just as stupid, and yet it's seen as a 'classic moment'.

 

Hell, 'This is your life' is obviously looked on as one of the greater segments in WWE, which wasnt extremely funny, and it went on OVER 30 minutes...Yet I'm sure many people love it.

 

It's just that people's attitudes towards wrestling have changed. I actually don't doubt that if this segment was done in 99, we'd be seeing it again, every year on those Raw Specials, and the like.

[Caliban 0]

I recall that the Vince and Austin in hospital thing was part of a somewhat famous feud that drew a few dollars...

[Downhome 0]

Whoa, slow down.

 

I was being totally sarcastic about those morons.

 

I don't see why anyone would love the 'This is your life' segement either. It was one of the most worthless segments in television history. I don't care if the ratings for it were great or not.

[Exslade ZX 0]

I recall that the Vince and Austin in hospital thing was part of a somewhat famous feud that drew a few dollars...

That doesn't take away from the fact that it wasn't any more stupid then what happened last night.

 

Whoa, slow down.

 

I was being totally sarcastic about those morons.

I know.

[Guest Ransome]

The WWE has done so much retarded shit over the years they can't top themselves. Vince could have sex with a baby doll on live television and it still wouldn't be the most "offensive" thing they've done.

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Once again, the fact that WWE has given us ridiculous, offensive skits in the past (Mae Young, etc) does not mean they are entitled to perform the same trite material in the present, nor are they excused if they do so. It's inexcusible, regardless of any past precedent, it's got no place on current WWE television, and people *should* complain about it, either here or elsewhere.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I know that this may be an odd request...

 

But a friend of mine is looking for a picture of Vince holding the stuffed owl from the segment.

 

Anyone bold enough to capture it?

[Guest Fishyswa]

"Once again, the fact that WWE has given us ridiculous, offensive skits in the past (Mae Young, etc) does not mean they are entitled to perform the same trite material in the present, nor are they excused if they do so. It's inexcusible, regardless of any past precedent, it's got no place on current WWE television, and people *should* complain about it, either here or elsewhere."

 

 

That's not the point, bad tv, tasteless, whatever, it's not suprising in the least, and acting like it's this shocking, over-the-line angle when the line is about 5 miles ahead of it, is ridiculous.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I see the usual suspects have crayoned out an attempt to defend the skit. As others have pointed out, and as has gone over the heads of those people, not only was the skit not funny, but it didn’t even build to something. It didn’t make people want to go to house shows to see a payoff, it didn’t make them want to watch TV to see a payoff, and it didn’t make them want to order a PPV to see a payoff. That skit had no purpose but to display Vince McMahon’s lower than juvenile sense of humor, and expose him, and the supporters of the skit, as being woefully out of touch with what the vast majority of his audience want. If you don’t believe me, check out the reaction from the live audience. Nobody cared. Even Vince realized that, and we all know how blinkered he is. It’s a shame that some people here are somehow even more blinkered than that.

[Exslade ZX 0]

90% of things on WWE television never seem to build to anything anymore...

[CanadianChick 0]

The whole segment wasn't even offensive to me. Yes, they're making fun of someone's surgery, but I really don't care because the surgery was a success afterall. It was just long, boring and unfunny. There was a guy that I was watching it with admittingly low standards (not in wrestling, in the entertainment part, to be fair) who couldn't even find anything funny or good about the segment. Another guy mentioned that he couldn't be more unamused. It was just bad TV. If I'm writing a show that gets two hours of TV airtime, I'd be embarrassed with that crap.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Hey, I was gonna write something like that. Cept for the part with 2 guys. Hmm...

 

Everyone who participated in that skit should be thinking about trying out another line of work.

[CanadianChick 0]

Well, accept for the nurse. Stripper blond = naughty nurse.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

She should move into prostitution, specializing in servicing elderly gentlemen who can only get off by taking a crap on busty blonde womans chest. It would be a much more respectable role than appearing on WWE television.