Austin Walks Out Again

[bob_barron 0]

The way Austin walked out in 2002 was totally wrong even though he was right to not want to job to Lesnar.

 

I think he should've come clean about his injuries though.

[Guest *KNK*]

Austin was supposed to lose to Lesnar through Eddie interfereing and setting up their match.  Sure, money fight, but at the same time, it would have given Lensar the rub when he needed and giving eddie a rub too without actually hurting austin.  He was being a whiney bitch.

 

ANd now, he is nothing but a fucking mouth piece.  A wrestler was going to interfere and drape a whooped up coach on top of him.  Its not like he was supposed to lose clean. 

 

Lets just face the fact that Austin is a whiney bitch.

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You're totally ignoring that they're not giving his best friend his job back after they humiliated him on TV.

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Which, btw was a part of the deal in getting Austin to do the Coachman program in the first place.

 

Essentially, WWE was fucking Austin over 3 ways here.

 

A). Jobbing him to Coach

B). Not bringing Ross back

C). Shitting on his return match and weakening the Hogan draw.

[bob_barron 0]

I usally don't agree with wrestlers refusing to do jobs but...

 

It's Stone Cold Steve Austin.

He's facing the Coach.

Mark Henry.

 

Come on.

[Guest *KNK*]

I usally don't agree with wrestlers refusing to do jobs but...

 

It's Stone Cold Steve Austin.

He's facing the Coach.

Mark Henry.

 

Come on.

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What makes this weirder is that Mark Henry was apprently nowhere to be found during this debacle. It's like Henry knew not to bother showing up because the writing was on the wall.

[Failed Bridge 0]

does Jim Ross still confuse everybody's names and call all impact moves he forgets the names of a "sideslam". If so then keep him off TV.

[Rendclaw 0]

I wish I could say that I was surprised.

 

On both sides of the issue.

 

But I'm not.

[cabbageboy 0]

The goofy thing is that they have risked burning a bridge with Austin and sabotaging their WM main event over an angle with JR, Coach, and the return of Mark Henry. What's also horrid is that as I figured they wasted the past 3 weeks on this idiotic JR is fired angle, gave it more TV time than anything on the show that might actually DRAW MONEY (Cena/Angle, HHH/Flair) and also had one of the worst segments in history with the Vince hospital skit.

[Guest *KNK*]

The goofy thing is that they have risked burning a bridge with Austin and sabotaging their WM main event over an angle with JR, Coach, and the return of Mark Henry.  What's also horrid is that as I figured they wasted the past 3 weeks on this idiotic JR is fired angle, gave it more TV time than anything on the show that might actually DRAW MONEY (Cena/Angle, HHH/Flair) and also had one of the worst segments in history with the Vince hospital skit.

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They are purposely tanking both shows for whatever reason I can't quite fathom.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The goofy thing is that they have risked burning a bridge with Austin and sabotaging their WM main event over an angle with JR, Coach, and the return of Mark Henry.  What's also horrid is that as I figured they wasted the past 3 weeks on this idiotic JR is fired angle, gave it more TV time than anything on the show that might actually DRAW MONEY (Cena/Angle, HHH/Flair) and also had one of the worst segments in history with the Vince hospital skit.

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They are purposely tanking both shows for whatever reason I can't quite fathom.

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They aren't doing this on purpose. It's a combination of desperation and writing tv to get their jollies.

[cabbageboy 0]

I don't think they are tanking Smackdown of late. In fact SD has been quite the enjoyable show.

 

I think even Raw will get better now that they've gotten this McMahons/JR/Austin garbage out of their system. Hell, seeing a Goldust/Vader beatdown on Batista was oddly amusing as long as Batista hands them (and Coach) their asses tomorrow.

[Enigma 0]

HTQ is exactly right. A lot of the people within WWE who observe the booking meetings say the McMahons mainly book shows around what would entertain them, not the fans.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

HTQ is exactly right. A lot of the people within WWE who observe the booking meetings say the McMahons mainly book shows around what would entertain them, not the fans.

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The JR skit was the prime example. That was done because Vince wanted to tell the fans and Jim Ross that he thinks they have their head up their asses.

[Guest *KNK*]

HTQ is exactly right. A lot of the people within WWE who observe the booking meetings say the McMahons mainly book shows around what would entertain them, not the fans.

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That's completely obvious and in their minds, they think "holding back" on this high quality is their way of sticking it to Spike, whom they blame for having a ratings downfall, amongst other things.

[bob_barron 0]

HTQ is exactly right. A lot of the people within WWE who observe the booking meetings say the McMahons mainly book shows around what would entertain them, not the fans.

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The JR skit was the prime example. That was done because Vince wanted to tell the fans and Jim Ross that he thinks they have their head up their asses.

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You would know:

 

Is Goldust a one night deal to get killed by Big Dave, or could this be full time?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

HTQ is exactly right. A lot of the people within WWE who observe the booking meetings say the McMahons mainly book shows around what would entertain them, not the fans.

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The JR skit was the prime example. That was done because Vince wanted to tell the fans and Jim Ross that he thinks they have their head up their asses.

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You would know:

 

Is Goldust a one night deal to get killed by Big Dave, or could this be full time?

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It's probably like Viscera was, in that they'll bring him in as and when they come up with something for him to do.

[bob_barron 0]

Excellent.

 

I can't hate on WWE too much if Goldie is back.

[BUTT 0]

What about Vader? Same deal?

[LJSexay 0]

seriously, this is the WEIRDEST RAW I HAVE EVER SEEN. ever.

 

Goddamn, I hope this is up on a torrent soon.

[Guest *KNK*]

What about Vader?  Same deal?

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He signed the legends deal, so he'll likely follow the route of the others who have done so (apperences here and there)

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Most likely. Vader isn't exactly working a whole lot, so it's not like he's got people knocking down his door to book him. He also signed a legends deal too, so they might use him again if they do a DVD deal or something.

[Jebus 0]

What about Vader?  Same deal?

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After tonight, I'd be surprised if he's not gone right after Taboo Tuesday.

[Guest *KNK*]

Most likely. Vader isn't exactly working a whole lot, so it's not like he's got people knocking down his door to book him. He also signed a legends deal too, so they might use him again if they do a DVD deal or something.

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Let's be realistic here, How many people are asking for Vader DVD's? (esp, since WWE likely doesnt have much access to his japan work) I do believe WWE is really just creating it's own shoot video department where they either "praise/bury" past workers and slap their best/most famous matches on there as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a monthly "legends" dvd sooner or later.

 

By next october, We could be following the amazing tales of Koko B. Ware and re-living his many classic matches.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Most likely. Vader isn't exactly working a whole lot, so it's not like he's got people knocking down his door to book him. He also signed a legends deal too, so they might use him again if they do a DVD deal or something.

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Let's be realistic here, How many people are asking for Vader DVD's? (esp, since WWE likely doesnt have much access to his japan work) I do believe WWE is really just creating it's own shoot video department where they either "praise/bury" past workers and slap their best/most famous matches on there as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a monthly "legends" dvd sooner or later.

 

By next october, We could be following the amazing tales of Koko B. Ware and re-living his many classic matches.

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I don't think Vader would be given a DVD, but they might do a special on 24/7 where they show the matches of his that they do have and have Vader introduce them or commentate on them.

[Golgo 13 0]

Vader isn't exactly working a whole lot

 

Ha. That much is obvious.

[AndrewTS 0]

Lets just face the fact that Austin is a whiney bitch.

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Speaks the truth. ^

 

Christian simply doesn't sign a new contract, but works one more date as asked.

 

Austin walks out just prior to a PPV he's booked on.

 

What a locker room leader.

[Guest TheAustralian]

Lets just face the fact that Austin is a whiney bitch.

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Speaks the truth. ^

 

Christian simply doesn't sign a new contract, but works one more date as asked.

 

Austin walks out just prior to a PPV he's booked on.

 

What a locker room leader.

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Exactly, if this was HBK or HHH people would be crying foul.

 

Austin continues to do it and all is OK.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Austin walking out the day before the PPV was bad, but him losing his return match to Coachman of all people was just as bad. The fault isn't with Austin, though. The fault is with Vince for not agreeing with Austin on what was going to happen at the PPV before he started building towards it.

[RedJed 0]

HTQ is exactly right. A lot of the people within WWE who observe the booking meetings say the McMahons mainly book shows around what would entertain them, not the fans.

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The JR skit was the prime example. That was done because Vince wanted to tell the fans and Jim Ross that he thinks they have their head up their asses.

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Supposedly, the "head up your ass" line was also in direct line with what Vince would actually say to Ross when he would speak up in creative meetings about certain issues. So said Meltzer in the latest issue.

 

I think the fact that we got McMahons back on TV means they are back an extremely blinded way of looking at the writing as of late, more than even usual which is a huge fact within itself. But before they could at least book somewhat "from the outside" but now the emphasis first and foremost is not just Vince and Steph writing their own shit, but the writers know their job is to write what they would think Vince/Steph want. So what do you think is going to happen in such a fucked up situation that WWE writing has found itself now?

 

There in lies probably the deepest problem right now, and a possible explanation to the complete madness going on Raw right now. Dont blame Austin one bit for this mess - he had every right to when he was just being notified of this finish TODAY and for all we know, he may have been under the pretense (or bad assumption) that he was going over, and he was "working" the storyline under the understanding that this was all to lead to Ross coming back.

 

This stuff with Austin has two levels - first, it obviously is a move that isn't good for business anyway you look at it (same reason why Hogan jobbing to HBK wouldnt have been either) and second, for the horseshit booking against Ross in the past few weeks, supposed to be geared to generate heat for a return, the payoff here should have been a no-brainer - it would lead to Austin winning much like he would be put over Bischoff back in 03 in those "matches" and the hotshotted writing of Ross being fired (that has been a clear mistake of a move anyway you slice it) would have been taken care of in the honor of doing "whats best for business."

 

What they cant seem to also grasp is the lack of respect they are giving to a guy like Austin, who has been in so many ups and downs with the company that there shouldnt have even been a question here what to do - you give them (marks) the payoff of getting an Austin squash match/beatdown of glorified joke of a jobber (just like Bischoff) and not a rehash of an angle that went nowhere the first time with Austin fired again, just like two years ago. Plus add an oh-so stale McMahon-Austin feud that they are apparently trying to draw heat against now years and years past it's prime and its just mind boggling what kind of apparently thought-out desicions are being done lately that is just begging WWE to really start losing off another chunk of the already not-so patient remaining fanbase.

 

There is mistakes upon mistakes with the whole Austin return here that ultimately none of this stuff should have happened in the first place and it should have never come to this. Vince should be grateful Austin walked out, as it saved them the opportunity to not fuck something up so much that they would regret it in the long run.

[bob_barron 0]

If HBK walked out b/c he was asked to job to the Coach in an angle where his best friend wouldn't get his job back...

 

that'd be okay.

 

Again, Austin walked out because they keep dicking around with his best friend.

[Fökai 0]

Lets just face the fact that Austin is a whiney bitch.

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Speaks the truth. ^

 

Christian simply doesn't sign a new contract, but works one more date as asked.

 

Austin walks out just prior to a PPV he's booked on.

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Well, one guy is doing it to be a true professional, because he has a long future ahead of him and money to make...

 

The other guy is protecting his investment, because he's got one last match in him and he wants to make as much money as possible.

 

The comparison isn't really there, regardless of whether I agree with either of their actions.