MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Well, on the positive side for Vader's return . . . I marked for the Vader theme. And the fact that it took him a half hour to get to the ring meant I got to hear more of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 thanx for the video, vader actually slipped several times during the beat down. I had agood laugh then got sad thinking about the old Vader Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 regardless of what he'll be doing, he's eating up a roster spot of other, more deserving wrestlers, no matter what show he ends up on... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Considering that Goldust was unjustly fired when he had gotten himself over with a horrible gimmick and had a ready made feud with Booker T, that's a pretty inaccurate statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 regardless of what he'll be doing, he's eating up a roster spot of other, more deserving wrestlers, no matter what show he ends up on... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Considering that Goldust was unjustly fired when he had gotten himself over with a horrible gimmick and had a ready made feud with Booker T, that's a pretty inaccurate statement. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> time will tell, bobby, time will tell... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 You claim he's eating up a roster spot of a deserving wrestler, and he's not. When he was last in WWE, Goldust was a good worker who could always be called upon to work an entertaining match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fishyswa Report post Posted November 1, 2005 ^Ditto, while he doesn't bring the moveset excitement of someone like Benjamin, he's a solid worker who can make horribly written promo's gold. Personally I'm not crying about him taking up Benjamin or Val Venis's spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 You claim he's eating up a roster spot of a deserving wrestler, and he's not. When he was last in WWE, Goldust was a good worker who could always be called upon to work an entertaining match. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And don't forget that this is a guy that got a POWERSLAM over as a near fall. Fans thought the match could have ended in a powerslam. When's the last time fans thought that? Early to mid 90s at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fishyswa Report post Posted November 1, 2005 ^It should always be a nearfall though. It's such an out of nowhere powerful move that's based on taking the momentum of the opponent and completely turning it in your favor, it has no business being anything but. Man I miss the days of moves being used how they should. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caliban 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Have him be part of a comedy tag team with Vader where Vader stumbles and falls down all the time because he's too fat to balance himself and Goldust makes fun of him constantly. That's actually brilliant, dude. You got me laughing out loud over here. Vader and Goldust >>> LOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest P-Any Report post Posted November 1, 2005 I didn't catch raw last night and haven't heard anything about Vader lately, can he still work? I'll admit, Goldust is the only way I've ever been able to tolerate Dustin Rhodes, but really, they're keeping Shelton off Raw for this??? Poor Shelton... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Word that is true! I like the Goldust gimmick but between Goldie and Shelton, my vote is with Shelton! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest P-Any Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Have him be part of a comedy tag team with Vader where Vader stumbles and falls down all the time because he's too fat to balance himself and Goldust makes fun of him constantly. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LOL! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest P-Any Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Just for reference: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LOL thats Great! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Goldust being back doesn't offend me at all. In fact, it kinda makes me happy to see him back. I was kind of upset with the fact he was released. BookDust was one of the most over acts of 2002. And he was probably the best I have ever seen him, workrate wise, in 2003. His matches with Christian and Chris Jericho were great matches. The only problem I can see is that he got a little bigger. If he can get back down to his 2003 shape (which I believe was the best shape he's ever been in his career), push him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest P-Any Report post Posted November 1, 2005 ^It should always be a nearfall though. It's such an out of nowhere powerful move that's based on taking the momentum of the opponent and completely turning it in your favor, it has no business being anything but. Man I miss the days of moves being used how they should. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I miss the days of guys having two or three moves that could finish a match, that way there was more of a mystery to a match. Now we know that 90% of matches end with a guys one finisher and so any other move that isn't a finisher, regardless of how devestating it may look, we know will only be a near fall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 what I'm hating these days is when people kick out of finishing manuevers...that shit is really getting played... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest P-Any Report post Posted November 1, 2005 what I'm hating these days is when people kick out of finishing manuevers...that shit is really getting played... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not too long ago Batista could beat you with the Batista Bomb, a powerful clothesline or a spine buster. Now its only pretty much the B-bomb so now we know that no matter how many spinbusters or clotheslines he delivers during the match, it won't end w/o the B-bomb. Takes away from the match a bit I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Batista just won a PPV match with a spinebuster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted November 1, 2005 The first thing Goldust needs to do is get better wrestling attire. The current Goldust outfit is beyond ugly--black boots don't go well with a gold costume. Besides that, I think a return to the ORIGINAL Goldust gimmick would be in order. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest P-Any Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Batista just won a PPV match with a spinebuster. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe they are starting to realize having a few different ways to end a match makes for a more exciting match. That's good to hear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 The first thing Goldust needs to do is get better wrestling attire. The current Goldust outfit is beyond ugly--black boots don't go well with a gold costume. Besides that, I think a return to the ORIGINAL Goldust gimmick would be in order. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hopefully that wouldn't mean a return to his original spandex bodysuit which did a good job of showing off his package every time he wrestled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted November 1, 2005 The first thing Goldust needs to do is get better wrestling attire. The current Goldust outfit is beyond ugly--black boots don't go well with a gold costume. Besides that, I think a return to the ORIGINAL Goldust gimmick would be in order. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hopefully that wouldn't mean a return to his original spandex bodysuit which did a good job of showing off his package every time he wrestled. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wasn't it supposed to be creepy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Goldust being back doesn't offend me at all. In fact, it kinda makes me happy to see him back. I was kind of upset with the fact he was released. BookDust was one of the most over acts of 2002. And he was probably the best I have ever seen him, workrate wise, in 2003. His matches with Christian and Chris Jericho were great matches. The only problem I can see is that he got a little bigger. If he can get back down to his 2003 shape (which I believe was the best shape he's ever been in his career), push him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah the whole BookDust/2 Chrises feud was what made me care about the tag titles in a LONG time. Of course, after BookDust won the belts a few weeks later they had to lose to the unover team of Regal and Storm. And for a long that was the last time I ever really cared about the tag titles on RAW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Blazenwing 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 I was hoping that Goldust would be returning after Dusty got fired. And when he came out, I marked out. Goldust is awesome. ...yeah, that's all I got. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Young 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 I agree! I say anyone who was around in any way at all pre-1997 should be fired, never to return. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I usually agree with you on WWE related matters... but no. So you're saying they should fire Shawn Michaels and Triple H, 2 of their best workers.... Ric Flair, who is still better than most of the newer guys.... Mick Foley, who can be great in one shot comebacks... Kane, who is a fairly good big man... Undertaker, who has a great gimmick and can still put on a great match when motivated... Viscera, I'll give you...JBL is one of the most entertaining characters on the roster, and I used to despise him... Hardcore Holly, well, I'll give you him, too... Scotty 2 Hotty, I couldn't care less... Road Warrior Animal probably won't be back anyway...And I think that covers them all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 The first thing Goldust needs to do is get better wrestling attire. The current Goldust outfit is beyond ugly--black boots don't go well with a gold costume. Besides that, I think a return to the ORIGINAL Goldust gimmick would be in order. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hopefully that wouldn't mean a return to his original spandex bodysuit which did a good job of showing off his package every time he wrestled. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That costume was just plain wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 I agree! I say anyone who was around in any way at all pre-1997 should be fired, never to return. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I usually agree with you on WWE related matters... but no. So you're saying they should fire Shawn Michaels and Triple H, 2 of their best workers.... Ric Flair, who is still better than most of the newer guys.... Mick Foley, who can be great in one shot comebacks... Kane, who is a fairly good big man... Undertaker, who has a great gimmick and can still put on a great match when motivated... Viscera, I'll give you...JBL is one of the most entertaining characters on the roster, and I used to despise him... Hardcore Holly, well, I'll give you him, too... Scotty 2 Hotty, I couldn't care less... Road Warrior Animal probably won't be back anyway...And I think that covers them all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was mocking Only The Strong Survive because he said: Why hire dead weight like Goldust, Vader, and these "legends" when we could be building up our current crop of stars? Even guys like Eugene, Conway, and Masters with their limited, retarded gimmicks (no pun intended) need to get the rub, and finding these obscure workers is cool for the smart crowd, but they're killing their business long term and they don't seem to realize it. We need to start building stars now so that, in five years, when guys like Michaels, Angle, and Undertaker can't work, we'll have an established upper-card (Batista, Orton, etc.) and a solid mid-card filled with some of the wrestlers were seeing now. So, in short, Goldust should be released after Taboo Tuesday. Period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Goldust managed to be one of the few comedy faces that didn't go overboard into irritating territory. I don't know if anyone else on the roster could have as good chemistry with him as Booker did, but I approve of his return. Of course, he'll obviously be heel for a while, but that likely won't last too long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2005 I loved his comedy just like most everyone else, but I actually liked Goldust even more when he was the psychology based heel, a totally serious character. It was back then when he was a major player, and looked at as an actual threat. I'll never understand why they had to push the character off the deep end back in the day, which was nothing less than horrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook_Theta Report post Posted November 1, 2005 Eugene as VADER II vs Fake Sting would be the greatest spectacle WWE has put on since Hogan vs Rock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted November 1, 2005 I loved his comedy just like most everyone else, but I actually liked Goldust even more when he was the psychology based heel, a totally serious character. It was back then when he was a major player, and looked at as an actual threat. I'll never understand why they had to push the character off the deep end back in the day, which was nothing less than horrible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with you on all counts. The original Goldust (much like the original Mankind) was a great character. The way he played on the insecurities on his opponents was perfect. They seriously hurt him when they gave him the "say-weird-stuff" gimmick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites