Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted January 26, 2006 So then he'd have to work most of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Arnold_OldSchool Report post Posted January 26, 2006 Frank Shamrock had fallouts with Bob and ken Shamrock and with the UFC, can anyone elaborate on this back story? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Arnold_OldSchool Report post Posted February 2, 2006 *Bump in hope of answers* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big_Jay101 Report post Posted February 15, 2006 Mark Coleman - Mark Coleman was good in his time but him and the Hammerhouse team really never evolved with the sport, which is why I think they lose so much. No doubt Mark Coleman will go down in history as a great fighter but thats 2000 and before. I think he should just retire at this point. Frank Shamrock - One of the most well rounded fighters ever, especially for his time. We all agree he retired too soon, but he is coming back and we will see how he stands up against the new generation of fighters. Dave Menne - Menne, I personally never cared much for him, I thought he was a B level fighter, but he has some good wins, I just don't think he will ever be on top again. Jens Pulver - Great Champ, seems a little small for 155 or 160 now, great striker, I don't see him being a champion in the UFC or PRIDE though unless all the top contenders somehow die in a plane crash together. Andrei Arlovski - Arlovski, he is a beast, but he is fighting weak opposition, he will never prove how good he truely is unless he goes overseas or Dana starts signing fat checks to fighters overseas. Chuck Liddell - Arguably the greatest LHW of all time, he has wins over the best competition and thats pretty much all he face was top competition. But unless he comes to PRIDE or until Dana throws money out, keyboard warriors will always insist that he gets smashed by Shogun or Silva. Rich Franklin - Good fighter who only has 1 loss, he was injured in the fight and fought at 215, so I can give him a break on that fight, although I think Machida would lose the second time around. I think Ace has the potential to clear out the MW division for the next few years. Matt Hughes - Greatest WW of all time, as of now. If Hughes beats Penn, when they fight again, and let's say he eventually fights St. Pierre as well, then he has the chance to be involved in two of the greatest MMA trilogies ever. I think whoever between those three comes out on to will be the greatest WW ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2006 I think Chuck would stomp Silva at the moment. Shogun? He'd cut through the Iceman like a hot knife through apple butter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2006 Chuck would stomp Silva. I think Shogun/Chuck would be competitive, considering how dominant Chuck has looked lately, I am not willing to write him off like that just yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2006 It's weird to think about, but no one brings up age with Chuck. He's THIRTY SIX! That's fucking old. How much longer can he possibly stay on top? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2006 Frank Shamrock had fallouts with Bob and ken Shamrock and with the UFC, can anyone elaborate on this back story? I was trying to find something, but it doesn't look like there's anything out there. So I suppose that it's "all in the (foster) family", and if none of the Shamrocks are talking about it, then we're not finding out what happened... It's weird to think about, but no one brings up age with Chuck. He's THIRTY SIX! That's fucking old. How much longer can he possibly stay on top? I suppose it depends on how long he's been doing this, and how much wear and tear his fighting style causes his body. Look at Dan Severn. He's been in wrestling/MMA forever, because his style doesn't damage his body that much. It's boring as hell, but it's allowed him to have a lot of longevity in the sport Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2006 This provides some explanation from at least two POVs. Out of the Lions Shadow Frank Shamrock had trained Mo Smith for his two title fights, just as he had trained all the other Lions Den members for their fights. "I was at UFC II, and I had been to all of them," says Frank. "I had always been the observer. I had always been the trainer, and I never stepped into the light. And I never said, 'I trained so and so. I did this, and I did that.' I was there to help other people. I was there to support and help those people. So when the opportunity came along for me to step into the light and show people who I was, I took it. Unfortunately, his decision to fight in the next UFC, which would take place in Japan, would lead to Franks dismissal from the Lions Den. According to Bob Shamrock, the problem wasn't Frank's decision to fight, but rather how he went about landing the fight. Bob, acting on behalf of the Lions Den, help set the deal up with the UFC. "We started negotiating the terms and stuff," he says, "and then after about a week, none of the contracts had come in. They're pretty good about sending them out, and I was always good about getting them back right away. So I called Art Davie and asked why he hadn't sent the contracts. He said, 'Well, Frank called us and told us to send them directly to him." Bob relayed this news to Ken, and when Frank's big brother came home from teh WWE, all hell broke loose. When the dust settled, Frank left the Lions Den for good. "Probably the hardest thing I've ever done in my life," admits Frank. "Those people were my family. Everybody there - I've trained everybody from the bottom up. I was in all their corners. I was the trainer. As soon as Ken realized I could fight, I was the trainer. I didn't have a life. I lived with all those people, and all I did every day was train and focus and help them in their careers. And then when I thought it was my time, Ken said, 'It's not... no, it's not your time.' And I thought it was. I put in my time, I trained everybody, I did my work, I did what I was supposed to do, and I wanted it to be my time. And Ken didn't want that. He said, 'You can go, but you take nothing with you, you never use the name, and you're no longer part of this family.' And I went. And I never use the name, and I've never trained with those people again, and I have no relation whatsoever to them. They don't associate with me. I left with the clothes in my car and a pair of blue boxing gloves. That was a little while ago." - BRAWL by Erich Krauss and Bret Aita (Pages 168/69) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2006 Dan Severn is still fighting in MMA nowadays because he's pissing away his legacy with worked fight after worked fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2006 Dan Severn is still fighting in MMA nowadays because he's pissing away his legacy with worked fight after worked fight. Yeah, I don't think he's exactly in it for the legacy anymore. It's all about the paycheck now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2006 The UFC heavyweight division has a lot of reasons to knock it (though it's getting better now) but the fact of the matter is that Dan Severn beating most of their challengers does not fall on the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2006 The UFC heavyweight division has a lot of reasons to knock it (though it's getting better now) but the fact of the matter is that Dan Severn beating most of their challengers does not fall on the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
