2006 NFL Off-Season

[Black Lushus 0]

I'd give the Lions a season to grow, still gotta go with the Bears winning the division.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Is Kiper going to get off Leinart's cock? Every analyst talks about how much NFL teams are impressed with Young and they talk about how the Titans want him and all Kiper can do is ignore Young and continue to prop Leinart up.

 

that's like Mike Mayock and Jay Cutler.

[naiwf 0]

Young will be a bigger bust than Mike Vick, and Leinart is a left handed Chad Pennington. I don't know why those two guys are getting so much pub considering that neither will be an All-Pro.

[Black Lushus 0]

I think Leinart will be fine if he's surrounded by good players, like Roethlisberger...I'm not so sure that guy would have had similar success on a different team with a different coach.

[naiwf 0]

I think Leinart will be fine if he's surrounded by good players, like Roethlisberger...I'm not so sure that guy would have had similar success on a different team with a different coach.

 

Yeah, but he'd have to drop significantly from his projected spot to get to a team that has that kind of talent. The Aints, Titans and Raiders don't seem like the kind of teams where he can just be a smaller cog in the wheel. Ironically, I think his best bet would be to slide all the way to # 10 since the Cardinals potentially have a devastating offense.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Is Kiper going to get off Leinart's cock? Every analyst talks about how much NFL teams are impressed with Young and they talk about how the Titans want him and all Kiper can do is ignore Young and continue to prop Leinart up.

 

It reminds me of Kiper last year and his "when Mike Williams is giving his acceptance speech for the Hall of Fame..." rant, because Williams went at 10 while Kiper had him at number 1.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Young will be a bigger bust than Mike Vick, and Leinart is a left handed Chad Pennington. I don't know why those two guys are getting so much pub considering that neither will be an All-Pro.

 

Michael Vick being a bust is news to me...

[teke184 0]

Young will be a bigger bust than Mike Vick, and Leinart is a left handed Chad Pennington. I don't know why those two guys are getting so much pub considering that neither will be an All-Pro.

 

Michael Vick being a bust is news to me...

 

It depends on how one defines "bust".

 

 

Vick will certainly be a disappointment, no matter HOW good he is, until he wins a Super Bowl.

 

Them's the breaks when you're a highly-hyped #1 overall draft pick that a team traded up to get.

[Guest]

Leinart's best fit is with the Titans, with an offense that he already knows like the back of his hand. The only way that I think Young won't be a bust is if the Raiders draft him, which I believe is likely.

 

In all likelihood, neither will be a bust.

[naiwf 0]

Young will be a bigger bust than Mike Vick, and Leinart is a left handed Chad Pennington. I don't know why those two guys are getting so much pub considering that neither will be an All-Pro.

 

Michael Vick being a bust is news to me...

 

It depends on how one defines "bust".

 

 

Vick will certainly be a disappointment, no matter HOW good he is, until he wins a Super Bowl.

 

Them's the breaks when you're a highly-hyped #1 overall draft pick that a team traded up to get.

 

There's that, and the fact that in 5 years he's never completed more than 56.4% of his passes, thrown for 3,000 yards, tossed more than 16 TD passes, is a whopping + 12 TD to INT with +8 coming in his best season (his 2nd). Over the last 3 seasons he's about a 55% passer with 33 TD's and 28 INT. Considering he was traded for LT, the best offensive player in the game and SD was able to get the much more productive Drew Brees later in that draft because they didn't end up with Vick, that's a bust to me. Vick is also overrated value wise as a winner; since he entered the league the Falcons are 40-39-1 in the regular season and 2-2 in the playoffs.

 

How many more years does he need to "develop" especially now that they've taken away his one saving grace, his option to run at will?

[therealworldschampion 0]

Rumors are out now saying that the Eagles contacted the Bills about possibly moving up to the 8th spot, probably to draft one of the top DTs. If this happens, I definitely want Ngata.

 

*Apparently, it's been reported that they want Bunkley.

[naiwf 0]

Rumors are out now saying that the Eagles contacted the Bills about possibly moving up to the 8th spot, probably to draft one of the top DTs. If this happens, I definitely want Ngata.

 

Do you guys have like 20 something picks in this draft or am I just remembering something from last year? I haven't listened to sports talk radio in a while, but there's an Eagles fan who is always talking about how easily Philly can reload.

[therealworldschampion 0]

They have 3 picks in the 4th round this year, along with the regular picks.

[Damaramu 0]

Wow. Sean Salisbury just said "Reggie Bush is by far the best player in the draft. It's Reggie Bush and everyone else in this draft!"

I think after seeing Vince Young perform he should know better than saying that.

[Damaramu 0]

Good god. How did Kiper even get this job? I've never agreed with half the stuff he says about the draft. He gets his favorites and he does not get off of them.

[the pinjockey 0]

What exactly do you want him to do? He sets his ratings and they bring him in knowing that. He isn't like Mort and Clayton who worry about what is going on around the league, he has his own ideas about players and works accordingly. And like it or not, he knows what he is talking about. Is he right about every player? Of course not otherwise he would be the GM of a perennial championship team. I never got the Kiper hate, he is good at what he does (knowing every player and being the face of the draft essentially).

 

Or is it just because he is all over a USC guy and someone like Mayock with Cutler as EHME mentioned above is fine?

[Damaramu 0]

No the love fest for one player sucks because people get blinded to that player.

The problem is the entire ESPN crew is pretty blinded to Bush and Leinart. I mean that was prety crazy saying that Bush was head and shoulders above everyone else in the draft when Vince Young is sitting right there in this draft.

[Guest El Satanico]

As NFL prospects, Bush currently IS head and shoulders above Young. Young is a project, while Bush is in a position to make an instant impact.

[Gert T 0]

Right now Reggie Bush is head and shoulders over everybody else.

 

Reggie Bush has to run the ball.

 

Vince Young's concerns:

 

- Delivery (I don't think it's that big of an issue and certainly not as big as)....

 

- Texas Spread Offense. I think he will initially struggle with this as well, he won't be able to see as much of the field to make checks.

 

I'm still torn on which QB I would take, and I do think VY will be successful in the pros, but Reggie Bush is still head and shoulders above the rest.

 

 

Can we start a NFL Draft thread here pretty soon?

[Damaramu 0]

Not talent wise. Maybe in regards to what he needs to do in the NFL but as a football player Vince Young is just as talented and just as good as Reggie Bush. I think he proved that when he pretty much single handedly brought down the Trojan giant.

[teke184 0]

I'd say that Bush has some questions considering that USC used a tandem system with him and Lendale White.

 

 

1. Can he handle taking 30+ touches a game? He typically only got 15-20 or so a game at USC because of their tandem backfield.

 

2. Will he be able to punch it in from the goalline? White picked up all of those at USC, so I don't think he's really been tested in that regard.

 

3. How well will he adapt to pro defenses, which will be much faster than the guys he blew past at USC?

 

 

I'm not saying he'd be a bad pick, but I do question a lot of the hype he's getting.

 

 

 

As far as picks considered to be head and shoulders above the rest, I'd say D'Brickashaw Ferguison and Mario Williams are probably there, but RBs and QBs get all the attention and so all the focus is on Bush, Leinart, Young, and Cutler.

[naiwf 0]

Not talent wise. Maybe in regards to what he needs to do in the NFL but as a football player Vince Young is just as talented and just as good as Reggie Bush. I think he proved that when he pretty much single handedly brought down the Trojan giant.

 

Vince is 2 or 3 YEARS away from being an impact starter. Bush is 2 or 3 TOUCHES away from being an impact starter. Fuck what they did in college. If college stats/single game performances meant anything Ken Dorsey would be a stud.

[the pinjockey 0]

1. Can he handle taking 30+ touches a game? He typically only got 15-20 or so a game at USC because of their tandem backfield.

 

The idea of the 30+ touch back is completely overhyped, as every analyst brings up this mythical creature when none actually exist. The most active RBs get around 400 touches a year (25/game), there are no 30 touch a game RBs. We know he can handle a 20 touch workload and even if he can't eke out those extra couple he still produces enough in those touches that it really doesn't matter.

 

2. Will he be able to punch it in from the goalline? White picked up all of those at USC, so I don't think he's really been tested in that regard.

 

It is a question, but he is a strong runner for his size and in the grand scheme of things this is a rather small problem.

 

3. How well will he adapt to pro defenses, which will be much faster than the guys he blew past at USC?

 

That is a question every player has to answer, not just Bush.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Bush is 2 or 3 TOUCHES away from being an impact starter.

 

In terms of his own ability he is, but he won't when he's playing behind the worst offensive line in the history of the league. He'll be lucky if his organs are still intact by the Canadian Thanksgiving.

 

All the questions regarding Bush have less to do with him and more to do with the Texans.

[AlwaysPissedOff 0]

If I were Reggie, I'd be kinda worried about the Texans' schedule this year. It's not just the division opponents like Indy and Jacksonville twice this year, but the South is playing against the East divisions of both conferences this year which means if he does indeed go to Houston, he's facing NE, Dallas, a supposedly improved Giants, Miami(if they don't have a shitload of injuries), Buffalo(the same goes with them), Philly, Washington, and if Bullock gets into the backfield without much resistance, Tennessee.

 

He'll proably feast on the crappy teams on their schedule like the Jets and the Raiders and might luck out and put up decent numbers against a couple of the better defensive teams, but the dude's in for a long year, regardless.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Green bay Media is reporting that DONALD DRIVER now is asking to be traded or given a big raise. Rumors have Javon Walker's camp involved in trying to stir shit up.

 

Slight edit: ESPN reports

[Fökai 0]

Not talent wise. Maybe in regards to what he needs to do in the NFL but as a football player Vince Young is just as talented and just as good as Reggie Bush. I think he proved that when he pretty much single handedly brought down the Trojan giant.

 

A quarterback has to adjust to so many differences from the college to pro game. It's certainly arguable that Young is as good a talent as Bush is, but it's a different beast with a rookie quarterback. If a team had to succeed with Young now, they'd have to adapt to his spread offense in Texas, which would not go over well in the league. Young's sole strengths as a rookie would be his legs and his strength, which would be nullified pretty quickly with a NFL-style offense. There's a good chance he's going to be paired with an average set of receivers, which doesn't help his case either.

 

A rookie running back just has to learn the routes and run the ball. Sure, there's more to it than that, but the position is simplified for a rookie or second-year starter. A veteran fullback or tailback can cover for Bush's weaknesses, whatever they may be, until he develops into what Tomlinson and the like have become.

 

There's a reason why premier rookie quarterbacks fail by the busload, and premier rookie running backs have decent to great starts.

[the pinjockey 0]

So should we open up a seperate draft thread for the weekend or just use this thread?

[naiwf 0]

So should we open up a seperate draft thread for the weekend or just use this thread?

 

I think a separate one would be nice since this one is getting pretty long as it is.

[Damaramu 0]

So the Texans may be using Mario Williams as leverage to get Bush to sign? So signing a #1 pick is just like getting a girl? Don't act too interested and appear interested in others? Haha.