2006 NFL Off-Season

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

 

 

Tom Brady is just a system QB to huh?

 

well, this remains to be seen...

 

How does that remain to be seen??? It's not like his WR core is great, or he had a great O-Line and a great RB(Dillion aside, still won 2 superbowl rings without him).

 

He proved last year without Charlie Weis he can do good. And Bill Belichick isn't known for his offensive coaching abilitys more then his defensive coaching ability's.

 

You honestly think the Patroits would've won all those Superbowls with Drew Bledsoe at QB?

[Black Lushus 0]

put him on a different team, give him a different coach....I didn't think I had to be that specific with you sports nuts.

[Guest Princess Leena]

That doesn't prove anything.

 

Is Joe Montana's career any worse because he didn't make a Super Bowl with the Chiefs.

[Black Lushus 0]

That doesn't prove anything.

 

Is Joe Montana's career any worse because he didn't make a Super Bowl with the Chiefs.

 

he joined the Chiefs in the twilight of his career...we all knew he wasn't going to win a Superbowl with the Kansas City freaking Chiefs. That instance doesn't prove anything either.

 

Brady still has 7 or 8 good seasons left in him. Could he win in Buffalo? Miami? Denver?

 

hence why I said "that remains to be seen"

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

That's pretty stupid, considering he is treated like a god in New England. Why would he leave a team just to prove to YOU that he isn't a system QB? Anyone who has any knowledge about the game knows he is far from it. Maybe he wants to end his career with 1 team which is the good thing to do.

[the pinjockey 0]

But what do the Patriots do that is so "system" like? A system QB typically means an option QB, a run and gun system QB, a QB on a team running an offense radically different than the rest of the teams that skews numbers/results. In the pros, who really runs a system that much different than other teams?

 

Is he in the right place at the right time? Sure, just like every other player who has won a SB.

 

Just curious, in your opinion, who isn't a system QB?

[Guest]

Brady is the best QB in the league, and I don't think it's due to the system. He doesn't have the best receiving corps, and he played well at Michigan too.

 

Oh, 5000.

[Black Lushus 0]

That's pretty stupid, considering he is treated like a god in New England. Why would he leave a team just to prove to YOU that he isn't a system QB? Anyone who has any knowledge about the game knows he is far from it. Maybe he wants to end his career with 1 team which is the good thing to do.

 

speaking hypothetically...that's all I was doing. I didn't say he had to prove shit to ME. I'm simply wondering if he can do the same thing in another system.

[Carnival 0]

Tom Brady is a perfect example of a system QB, he got fucking lucky in new england, anywhere else, he would be a jobber or unemployed.

 

Tom Brady has as much skill as Billy Joe Tolliver.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Tom Brady is a perfect example of a system QB, he got fucking lucky in new england, anywhere else, he would be a jobber or unemployed.

 

Tom Brady has as much skill as Billy Joe Tolliver.

 

Atleast show some evidence to support your opinions, instead of making idiotic statements like this one.

 

I'm sure Billy Joe Tolliver could lead a bunch of average WR's and average RB's(aside from Dillion), and an average OL to 3 superbowls in 4 years right?

 

I ain't a Patroits or Brady homer by any means, espically since they beat my Eagles in the Superbowl. But Tom Brady is the best QB of this decade so far.

[Carnival 0]

But Tom Brady is the best QB of this decade so far.

:cough: Peyton Manning :cough:

 

The Patriots are a great example of how one rigged super bowl season can kickstart a dynasty.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

But Tom Brady is the best QB of this decade so far.

:cough: Peyton Manning :cough:

 

The Patriots are a great example of how one rigged super bowl season can kickstart a dynasty.

 

more like

 

:choke: Peyton Manning :choke:

 

Bradys Superbowl Rings and Superbowl MVP's >>>>> Peyton's Regular Season Stats

[Guest the undeserving]

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[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Bubby Brister could've won a superbowl with that Niners team.

 

Ignorant statement....

 

I'm sure Bubby Brister can lead a team to 31 fourth quarter comebacks to also huh?

 

Tom Brady is just a system QB to huh?

 

Not at all. The superbowl Niners teams had fantastic receivers, a running game, an incredible coach, and good defense. If you honestly think Montana's the most talented/greatest QB to ever play football, you're friggin' nuts. Why not Bradshaw? That's a more accurate comparison to Montana.

 

Tom Brady is better than Joe Montana.

 

As far as engineering great comebacks, the furthest he ever got behind was 14 points against the Saints, and ended up winning by three. That says more about the defense and playmaking ability of his receivers in the west-coast setup than it does about his QB comeback engineering. He had Jerry Friggin' RICE to throw at.

 

He managed slightly over 40,000 yards and 273 tds in a 15 year NFL career, Brady is at 18,000 and 123 in six seasons. Montana won superbowls 13, 16, and 19 on a team that made a playoff appearance every single year that decade except 82 and 91, and made the playoffs as well in 92, a year Montana was injured. Furthermore, the niners were in a soft division. Faclons? Rams? Saints? CARDINALS? Please.

 

Brady has already nearly matched Montana's superbowl wins, including two of them consecutively, in less time than Joe, on a worse team, in a tougher division, in a league with more parity, and is on par to equal or break all of Montana's regular season marks. There's no comparison to me.

[Cartman 0]

Great post ^

 

Also let's not forget that in the last 2-3 years Brady has strayed FAR from the "short high percentage passing game". Believe it or not the guys actually has a very strong accurate throwing arm *gasp!*.

 

If he had Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrisson, and Edge instead of Branch, Givens, Brown, etc. and Antawn Smith/Dillon nobody would be saying *cough* Manning *cough*.

 

Also I think it's awesome that Brady has surpassed his idol/hero growing up(Montana). Gotta be a great feeling to be able to play like/better than the star players you look up to as a kid.

 

Is Brady the greatest QB ever? Not a chance after just 6 seasons.

 

Can he become known as the best ever? Obviously on the right path so far.

[tominator89 0]

All this Tom Brady love makes me feel like I'm watching ESPN.

[Guest Felonies!]

HERE LET ME YELL ABOUT BASKETBALL FOR A WHILE TOO

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

best headline of the day, from Packersnews.com: Favre bangs calf. I'm quite sure that's illegal in Wisconsin.

[Guest Princess Leena]

Bradys Superbowl Rings and Superbowl MVP's >>>>> Peyton's Regular Season Stats

 

Far too much is put into winning championships, IMO. The QB is just one member of a team. And it's been proven that a mediocre QB can be enough to win championships.

 

It's wrong that most people would say Brady has had a much more successful career than say Dan Marino.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Bubby Brister could've won a superbowl with that Niners team.

 

Ignorant statement....

 

I'm sure Bubby Brister can lead a team to 31 fourth quarter comebacks to also huh?

 

Tom Brady is just a system QB to huh?

 

Not at all. The superbowl Niners teams had fantastic receivers, a running game, an incredible coach, and good defense. If you honestly think Montana's the most talented/greatest QB to ever play football, you're friggin' nuts. Why not Bradshaw? That's a more accurate comparison to Montana.

 

Tom Brady is better than Joe Montana.

 

As far as engineering great comebacks, the furthest he ever got behind was 14 points against the Saints, and ended up winning by three. That says more about the defense and playmaking ability of his receivers in the west-coast setup than it does about his QB comeback engineering. He had Jerry Friggin' RICE to throw at.

 

He managed slightly over 40,000 yards and 273 tds in a 15 year NFL career, Brady is at 18,000 and 123 in six seasons. Montana won superbowls 13, 16, and 19 on a team that made a playoff appearance every single year that decade except 82 and 91, and made the playoffs as well in 92, a year Montana was injured. Furthermore, the niners were in a soft division. Faclons? Rams? Saints? CARDINALS? Please.

 

Brady has already nearly matched Montana's superbowl wins, including two of them consecutively, in less time than Joe, on a worse team, in a tougher division, in a league with more parity, and is on par to equal or break all of Montana's regular season marks. There's no comparison to me.

 

I don't think Montana is the most talented QB to ever play the game. That title still belongs to Dan Marino IMO, but he is certainly the best QB. If you go by the logic he had a great team with him then you have to discount alot of other QB's who had great WR core. Fact is, no matter who your WR's are, you have to be a great QB. To discredit Montana for all those comebacks(Even if they are 14 points) because he had a great WR is just stupid.

 

I agree that Tom Brady is better then Joe Montana if you compare their 1st six seasons, though. But you cannot rank him above Montana, just yet.

 

You could argue that Johnny Unitas could be ranked above Joe Montana in the greatest QB. Other then that, I don't think no one else should.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Bradys Superbowl Rings and Superbowl MVP's >>>>> Peyton's Regular Season Stats

 

Far too much is put into winning championships, IMO. The QB is just one member of a team. And it's been proven that a mediocre QB can be enough to win championships.

 

It's wrong that most people would say Brady has had a much more successful career than say Dan Marino.

 

Peyton Manning had all the talent in the world to get it done by now, but hasn't. If Marino had a RB as talented as Edge, I bet he would have a ring right now.

 

Difference is between Marino and Manning is that Marino didn't really choke in playoff games, while Manning did. Marino is ranked above Brady, but Manning is not ranked above Brady. I can't see anyone who isn't some biased moron(cough*Carnival*cough) ranking Manning above Brady for the best of this decade.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Not to nitpick AoO's post because he's pretty much right, but the Niners didn't have the Cards in their division. The Cards moved to the West after the introduction of Houston Texans.

[Black Lushus 0]

in all fairness to Peyton, this latest choke job wasn't entirely his fault...

[tominator89 0]

I'd compare Brady to Bradshaw and Manning to Marino. One group has the SuperBowl rings the other has the stats. All of them deserve recognition, but for different reasons.

[Carnival 0]

Bradys Superbowl Rings and Superbowl MVP's >>>>> Peyton's Regular Season Stats

Far too much is put into winning championships, IMO.

obviously,

Winning a championship is all that matters.

Thats why John Sally was better than Karl Malone.

2nd All time in scoring<<<<<<championship rings

i don't even know why there is a regular season.

idiot

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

in all fairness to Peyton, this latest choke job wasn't entirely his fault...

 

Not entirely, but he didn't play good until the 2nd half. Remember the 1st half when he missed like 10 passes in a row?

 

 

obviously,

Winning a championship is all that matters.

Thats why John Sally was better than Karl Malone.

2nd All time in scoring<<<<<<championship rings

i don't even know why there is a regular season.

idiot

 

John Salley and Karl Malone are bad comparisons, because John Salley was nothing more of a role player, and was never MVP in the playoffs. A better comparison would be Duncan and Malone. And IMO, Duncan >>>>> Malone.

 

Brady is not like Bradshaw. If anything he's Montana with a worse offense and more passing talent.

[Black Lushus 0]

I can go along with Duncan being better than Malone...although Duncan did have a hell of a supporting cast.

[UZI Suicide 0]

Bradys Superbowl Rings and Superbowl MVP's >>>>> Peyton's Regular Season Stats

 

Far too much is put into winning championships, IMO. The QB is just one member of a team. And it's been proven that a mediocre QB can be enough to win championships.

 

It's wrong that most people would say Brady has had a much more successful career than say Dan Marino.

 

How can far too much be put into winning championships? Winning championships is the ultimate goal of sports.

 

Yeah, it's a team thing, but Peyton Manning's problem with not winning championships has never been the team he's on, it's been the fact that he chokes in the playoffs every year.

 

And the people calling Brady a system quarterback are totally clueless about the sport of football. He's already one of the best Quarterbacks to ever play the game. I can say he's a top 10 all-time QB without hesitation.

 

And before anyone blasts me as being a "Pats homer", I'm a Cowboys fan.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

I hate Tom Brady. I think he is a stupid douchebag. He's still probably the best QB in the league and an integral part of a pseudo-dynasty in the Pats.

 

If you were building a team from scratch and could have any QB in the league, do you really pick Manning, giving his pathetic lack of success in terms of championships? Mcnabb, he of the iffy conditioning? Carson "no-knee" Palmer? No, you take Brady.

 

The other amazing thing about Brady is this: when the guy fucks up, it's almost shocking. That is how good he always is, you take it for granted. When Brady tossed up that brutal int while he was falling against Miami a few years back (in a meaningless game), it was so weird...you *never* see the guy do that.

 

I made a clip video of Tom Brady blunders for a class I took a while ago, and it was legitimately difficult to fill up 2 minutes. That's scary, a QB who does not make mistakes, who can make almost every throw, who has good accuracy and a good arm, and a guy who by all accounts is a leader on his team.

 

...I fucking hate that guy. Stupid perfect bastard.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Not to nitpick AoO's post because he's pretty much right, but the Niners didn't have the Cards in their division. The Cards moved to the West after the introduction of Houston Texans.

 

Hey, you're right. Who was the other team in that division? I'm having trouble remembering back that far..

 

Niners, LA Rams, Saints, Falcons..was that it? Seems like there was five.

 

I felt kind of dirty defending Brady like that, considering I hate the fucking Patriots.