What the fuck is up with Kurt Angle?

[Guest Catcher8C]

Here's what will happen...

 

On Raw, HBK will somehow get Angle to put his title on the line. HBK will win, then go to Smackdown in Angle's place. HBK goes on to feud with Mysterio because to the writers (not my opinion) it is the only believable way to put the belt on a cruiser.

 

Angle goes berserk and starts a feud with Edge. They had great matches in 2002, so I would think it would be common sense to pair them up again.

 

Then you've got:

 

For the titles;

HBK/Mysterio

Edge/Angle

HHH/Cena (gimmicked brawl, maybe to turn HHH face)

Benoit/Taker?

Orton/Booker

Lashley/Henry (they teased it on SD during a battle royal spot)

Hogan/whoever...

Masters/Carlito/Kane/Big Show/Benjamin/returning Jericho I hope...

 

A dull lineup but I think no worse than what they are looking at now. And you get 5 or 6 matches that should be decent-good. I think this WM will look similar to 19 in that regard.

[Hawk 34 0]

Why does everyone assume Angle is a face now? He still has Daivari with him (who is a loyal slave) and there is really on point in turning him. Angle has NEVER made a decent face since he always has had a natural smarm about him. He'll be the de facto face vs. Mark Henry but then after that he'll drift into tweener territory. I'd put him against UT at WM since that'd be the biggest draw.

 

I'm not sure why everyone wants Rey main eventing since he's simply not believable as a world champion. When people can say "I could kick this guy's ass" he's not a credible threat to the title. See Credible, Justin.

 

People brought Shawn and Eddie as champion...and Eddie only had a couple inches over Reyand Rey has more mass then Shawn does.

 

Did you see Shawn/Rey last year? If not, Shawn looked like a relative giant standing next to Rey and he's one of the smallest ME's/champs of all time. I can't buy a guy who is a legit 5'4 as the Heavyweight Champion of the World no matter what he does when 90% of the roster is well over 6 feet and 50-100 pounds heavier than he is. Sorry.

 

Mike Tyson was often dwarfed in the ring in terms of size but no one every doubted his credibility or discredited him as a non-threat. If a man who is drastically shorter then the rest of the field in a legitimate sport can be considered a lethal threat, it only requires a smart hype machine to push someone who is small in stature in a worked environment.

[naiwf 0]

Mike Tyson was often dwarfed in the ring in terms of size but no one every doubted his credibility or discredited him as a non-threat. If a man who is drastically shorter then the rest of the field in a legitimate sport can be considered a lethal threat, it only requires a smart hype machine to push someone who is small in stature in a worked environment.

 

Mike Tyson fought in the heavyweight division, and never beat anyone who would even be considered a top 100 threat of all time in the grand scheme of things. Seriously name a heavyweight that Tyson beat at any time that wasn't a tomato can? If you want to use a boxing analogy, Floyd Mayweather is currently regarded as the best pound for pound boxer in the world, and is 5'8 147, and there's no way in hell anyone would buy him beating heavyweights, even if it was a scrub like John Ruiz in a boxing match. Also, even though boxing often times resembles entertainment more than sport, it's still a legitimate sport so anyone who wins the majority of the time is marketable, anyone who loses isn't. Rey makes the WWE money, but would likely be the worst champion to watch ever because God knows we won't see him do anything but dozens and dozens of 'ranas, planchas and springboard moves that make all heavyweights save Angle look like uncoordinated morons.

[SuperJerk 0]

Rey makes the WWE money, but would likely be the worst champion to watch ever because God knows we won't see him do anything but dozens and dozens of 'ranas, planchas and springboard moves that make all heavyweights save Angle look like uncoordinated morons.

I think you're vastly underrating Mysterio's ability to work with opponents larger than himself.

[Guest DuDe]

Meh, Mysterio as a champ would be worse than Cena as a champ. If you thought that Cena overcoming the odds was annoying, watch Mysterio do the same thing with guys twice his size.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

Difference being that WWE could hype it as Mysterio flexing his 15-year experience and his massive speed advantage over everybody. Sorry, but it's ridiculous to believe that a smaller worker can't hold the belt just because he's not "big enough." It just proves that McMahon has influenced you all in pushing the huge hosses over the more talented smaller workers.

 

Okay, here's an example of a smaller worker being a legitimate threat to any title: TAZ. He was pushed as a bad motherfucker with a black belt in Judo who just LOVED to fight, and it worked in ECW. It started working in the WWF when he first came in, but then they stopped pushing him and gave him that terrible "Thug Life Born..." gimmick.

 

Basically, I'm saying that Mysterio as champ would work if the booking was right. If he won matches flat-out because of his speed and agility advantage then it'd work. If he won by fluke wins all the time it wouldn't.

[naiwf 0]

Difference being that WWE could hype it as Mysterio flexing his 15-year experience and his massive speed advantage over everybody. Sorry, but it's ridiculous to believe that a smaller worker can't hold the belt just because he's not "big enough." It just proves that McMahon has influenced you all in pushing the huge hosses over the more talented smaller workers.

 

Okay, here's an example of a smaller worker being a legitimate threat to any title: TAZ. He was pushed as a bad motherfucker with a black belt in Judo who just LOVED to fight, and it worked in ECW. It started working in the WWF when he first came in, but then they stopped pushing him and gave him that terrible "Thug Life Born..." gimmick.

 

Basically, I'm saying that Mysterio as champ would work if the booking was right. If he won matches flat-out because of his speed and agility advantage then it'd work. If he won by fluke wins all the time it wouldn't.

 

Taz could throw around any wrestler he worked against because he was built like a tank, and had legitimate fighting skills. Mysterio is a glorified gymnast who is smaller than some of the divas. There's a huge difference between the two. Speed and agility works fine and dandy, but a clubbing blow to the back of the head or a suplex that dumps you on your neck works twice as much when inflicting damage. Rey's height is bad, but his lack of offensive moves makes him a flashy midcarder to me. He can't slam or suplex anyone, his punches shouldn't rock anyone, so all he can do is crawl through people's legs and bounce off of the ropes to use the same 3 or 4 moves he has and their variations over and over again. I'd rather see him wrestle cruiserweights if that's all he's gonna bring to the table besides a plucky fighter's spirit.

[SuperJerk 0]

Mysterio is a glorified gymnast who is smaller than some of the divas.

I've seen a lot of Divas who are over 165 pounds of mostly muscle.

 

Citing gross exaggerations as evidence really isn't a good way to convince people you're right. Nor is calling a good all-around worker a "glorified gymnast".

[Guest Coffey]

Mysterio is super-over, a good worker, has a lot of experience and it'd be something new, fresh & different. It could also kinda/sorta "stick it" to TNA by having a Crusierweight as the World Champion making it so that the X-Division doesn't seem so special anymore.

 

I don't think it'd be a bad move at all. As fans, we're just acustomed to smaller wrestlers only being in curtain jerk or mid-card matches. Mysterio beat Scott Norton in WCW and it came off as quasi-believable. Low blow, small package, thanks for coming.

 

When they came to the WWF, no one thought that Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho and Eddie Guerrero would someday be WWF(E) World Champions either.

[Guest SickMoveFiend]

Angle/Batista will be the best program they could run over the summer. Having a credible world champion take on someone who held the belt for nine months before and never lost the title should draw huge money.

 

It amezes me how people overestimate Batista's booking, he cant work with guys who have matt based skill(see Gurrero/Batista at No Mercy 05, poor match). Plus Batista has not ran a good program with ANYONE since making the shift to Smackdown. Infact Batista has hardly had a good program at all. The guy really is boring.

 

But I am partial to Angle coming out on top if this angle ever happens. But I highly doubt you will get any special matches out of an Angle/Batista program.

 

Uhm, maybe they see a very capable mat wrestler,

 

Lashley a copable mat wrestler? Now I've heard everything.

 

Meh, Mysterio as a champ would be worse than Cena as a champ.

 

Retarded statement, Mysterio can work good matches with ANYONE.

 

Cena can work good matches with NO ONE.

 

And people who actually believe Mysterio is incapable of sustaining a decent and believable title run is either biased or completely devoid of booking fantasy. Ever seen David vs Golliath? This little cruser pinned Kevin Nash in WCW in believable fasion. Most of you even neglect that Mysterio has pinned a number of larger guys in tv events (Angle's first match with him anyone?).

 

Mysterio can easily be booked to hold his own against the bigger masses and I would love to see him win the title, it'll certainly be a shocker and might get a little ratings boost. Why not? I mean he's a much better choice then Randy Orton.

[The Tino Standard 0]

To those of you who say that Angle would only have maybe two or three opponents to feud with on Smackdown, that would be good enough to carry him through a full year with the way they book things now.

 

Angle feuded with Cena from the end of August until early January. There's no way they'd burn up two or three opponents for him in a four-month stretch on Smackdown.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Cena's had good matches with Undertaker, Kurt Angle and Benoit. It's a small list but to say that he has good matches with no one is retarded.

[slimm44 0]

Although they have had Angle win the WHT briefly during the Invasion days, I dont see them doing it again if the rumors of him being upset on Sunday are true. The title may be on the line but Angle will win. And I don't see Mysterio winning the title anytime soon.

[Enigma 0]

Say what you will, but that match on the Spring Break 99 Nitro with Rey Mysterio vs. Ric Flair for the WCW Title was very memorable.

[Downhome 0]

they also could've waited a week or more and put the belt on Benoit, so Angle wasn't the only choice.

 

They could've put the belt on Benoit that very night on Smackdown. They could've still done the program with Booker T/Orton, and had the same finish to that match, then in the main event Benoit could have been in the battle royal (maybe even being the first guy in) and win the world title.

 

It would have had the same feel as Wrestlemania X, where Bret Hart lost to Owen early in the night, then went on to win the WWF championship later that night.

 

I loved seeing Angle come to SD and win like that, I really did. But it just seemed like a rush job to me. When WWE has their back against the wall, they do stuff like this out of nowhere instead of actually thinking the situation through.

 

Why not have Benoit win the title, then have Angle make his way to SD the next SD after the Angle/HBK match?

 

Now when it comes to Rey, I've been behind him becoming the champion for quite a while now. It would be very easy to do as well. He wouldn't have to be in there beating guys like Batista or Taker either. I would love to see a world title feud with Rey taking on a guy like HBK, Angle, and as I've said over and over and over again, Benoit.

 

If Rey ever won the title, the pop would be unreal. The fans would just go insane over his title win. The guy sells tons of merchandise also, so to me it seems like a good decision. I wouldn't let him hold it for too long, but having him holding the title for a few months taking on guys that we know he can work well with would be fantastic. I still think it will happen one day.

[Matt Young 0]

They didn't even have Benoit, Orton, or Undertaker in the battle royal. I realize the firsttwo worked earlier in the evening, and Taker is part time, but that would have made it less obvious who would win to those who didn't know the result.

 

I figure they're just going to send Angle and Daivari over to SD permanently, per Vince McMahon's orders. There's no Raw GM to complain, so Vince could say he's doing what's best for the company. Also, Daivari would fit in with the cruiser division well.

 

I'd actually prefer HBK on Smackdown as champ, but if they were going to do that, they could have just sent him in Kurt's place. Doing another title change on Raw would severely devalue the belt.

[SuperJerk 0]

they also could've waited a week or more and put the belt on Benoit, so Angle wasn't the only choice.

 

They could've put the belt on Benoit that very night on Smackdown. They could've still done the program with Booker T/Orton, and had the same finish to that match, then in the main event Benoit could have been in the battle royal (maybe even being the first guy in) and win the world title.

 

It would have had the same feel as Wrestlemania X, where Bret Hart lost to Owen early in the night, then went on to win the WWF championship later that night.

 

Maybe, but I'd be worried that having the guy who JUST lost a match to win the secondary title winning the primary title might look weird. And it'd automatically put Orton in the World Heavyweight Championship picture because he just beat the champ.

[Guest SickMoveFiend]

Cena's had good matches with Undertaker, Kurt Angle and Benoit. It's a small list but to say that he has good matches with no one is retarded.

 

Please, those matches were barely decent and quite forgettable. Cena's string of matches with Angle through out this year have been beyond watchable.

 

Anyway, that list is laughably limited compared to Mysterio's list of good matches.

 

Mysterio>>>Cena and the entire smackdown roster, Period.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

He could also feud with Orton and Lashley, ad maybe they'll decide the bring Haas back to Smackdown since Shelton has his "mother" and they can have that feud and even bring Shelton back to Smackdown to rebuild his career and there's two more feuds right there

None of those people are near over enough to have a feud for the World title. Especially immediately after a Mark Henry feud. Two (or three, four, five) straight feuds with guys the fans don't care about will kill the belt.

[naiwf 0]

Mysterio is a glorified gymnast who is smaller than some of the divas.

I've seen a lot of Divas who are over 165 pounds of mostly muscle.

 

Citing gross exaggerations as evidence really isn't a good way to convince people you're right. Nor is calling a good all-around worker a "glorified gymnast".

 

Smaller as in shorter.

[Guest DuDe]

It amezes me how people overestimate Batista's booking, he cant work with guys who have matt based skill(see Gurrero/Batista at No Mercy 05, poor match). Plus Batista has not ran a good program with ANYONE since making the shift to Smackdown. Infact Batista has hardly had a good program at all. The guy really is boring.

Wow, I've seen bitter smarks in my life, but you sir, you take the crown. Batista may not be the most technical wrestler, but he can damn well carry his own weight in a match, and his match against Guerrero at NM was actually very decent and had some well done story telling. His matches against HHH were very memorable as well, and even some of his matches against JBL were watchable. And shit, the guy has been working with an injury in the last two or so months, cut him some slack.

 

Lashley a copable mat wrestler? Now I've heard everything.

Huh? Care to refute my statement instead of babbling?

 

Retarded statement, Mysterio can work good matches with ANYONE.

 

Cena can work good matches with NO ONE.

You're the retarded one mister, since I never questioned Mysterio's workrate. I'm questioning him being a believable World Heavyweight Champion, which he will never be, no matter how you book him. There's a limit to a typical mark's suspension of disbelief, and Mysterio breaks this limit by a fucking mile. His offense is too weak, he lacks a credible finisher, and shit, he's just small. No matter how you book it, Mysterio regularly beating an average WWE upper-carder will not cut it with the crowd.

 

And people who actually believe Mysterio is incapable of sustaining a decent and believable title run is either biased or completely devoid of booking fantasy. Ever seen David vs Golliath? This little cruser pinned Kevin Nash in WCW in believable fasion.

Believable fassion? As in punching Nash a bit amidst receiving a powerbomb, and then a super-fast count by the ref? Give me a fucking break.

 

Mysterio can easily be booked to hold his own against the bigger masses and I would love to see him win the title, it'll certainly be a shocker and might get a little ratings boost.

Yeah, for about a week. After Mysterio will OVERCOME THE ODDS in a match against Angle, HBK and HHH (hypothetical situation) the crowd will boo him worse than they have booed Cena.

 

Edit :

Mysterio>>>Cena and the entire smackdown roster, Period.

Uh, yeah. Ever heard of Chris Benoit? Brian Kendrick? Paul London? Super Crazy? Fucking Nova?

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

Mysterio is a glorified gymnast who is smaller than some of the divas.

I've seen a lot of Divas who are over 165 pounds of mostly muscle.

 

Citing gross exaggerations as evidence really isn't a good way to convince people you're right. Nor is calling a good all-around worker a "glorified gymnast".

 

Smaller as in shorter.

I don't think that matters. We've seen Rey beat Eddie, Benoit, Angle, Jericho, Michaels, Big Show, and lose to Big Show only because Kane cheated for him. If you can beat that many World Champions, you are a credible World title contender.

[Guest Dam(o)nYankees]

 

 

Lashley a copable mat wrestler? Now I've heard everything.

Huh? Care to refute my statement instead of babbling?

 

That's not Lashley's problem. Its that he's not at all over at this point in time. Maybe in a year or so we can revisit him as a title contender, especially as he starts to improve like Brock did in the ring.

 

Believable fassion? As in punching Nash a bit amidst receiving a powerbomb, and then a super-fast count by the ref? Give me a fucking break.

I'm not sure why everyone brings up how he's going to look against Big guys. Who the hell is Nash size on SD!?

 

BTW, He's also beaten former World Champion Bradshaw.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I suppose I should blame myself for trying to reason with somebody who's a fiend for sick moves. Clearly, not a fiend for good wrestling.

[SuperJerk 0]

Mysterio is a glorified gymnast who is smaller than some of the divas.

I've seen a lot of Divas who are over 165 pounds of mostly muscle.

 

Citing gross exaggerations as evidence really isn't a good way to convince people you're right. Nor is calling a good all-around worker a "glorified gymnast".

 

Smaller as in shorter.

 

Maybe if you'd actually said "Mysterio is a glorified gymnast who is shorter than some of the divas." you'd have realized how weak that argument is.

[Guest SickMoveFiend]

Batista may not be the most technical wrestler,

 

Please, give up on that "he may not be technical, he may not be Angle blah blah blah blah blah blah". It does absolutely nothing to support your argument.

 

Dont give me that 'bitter smarks' crap either, smarks still watch the WWE. I dont.

 

and his match against Guerrero at NM was actually very decent and had some well done story telling.

 

Well done story telling? It was one of the worst booked programs of 2005. They're 'friendship' cemistry was just terrible.

 

His matches against HHH were very memorable as well, and even some of his matches against JBL were watchable.

 

LOL No they weren't. The highlight of the Wrestlemania main event was a botched gorilla press and the HIAC match was one of the worst booked ever.

 

And shit, the guy has been working with an injury in the last two or so months, cut him some slack.

 

Exactly why he shouldnt have had the belt in the first place. You call it guts, I call it stupidity. Batista could have lost it to someone better instead of putting himself and the belt in irrelevant programs.

 

You're the retarded one mister, since I never questioned Mysterio's workrate.

 

Buffoon, if you never made the comment then why are you adressing it? My quotes adress more then one poster. If you never made that comment, I was obviously reffering to the person who did. Learn to comprehend pal.

 

I'm questioning him being a believable World Heavyweight Champion, which he will never be, no matter how you book him.

 

Then you are retarded since a Mysterio title run is certainly in the realms of believability. You just wont look hard enough.

 

Yeah, for about a week. After Mysterio will OVERCOME THE ODDS in a match against Angle, HBK and HHH (hypothetical situation) the crowd will boo him worse than they have booed Cena.

 

Oh man, the fact that you put Cena's character and skill in league with Mysterio's proves you have no idea what the fuck your on about. People booed Cena because he was a shit competitor with a redundant gimmick. Mysterio is very much the opposite. Fans would rather see a champion who can pull off excellent matches none-stop instead of a weak ass rapper who cant even wrestle. Big difference.

 

Edit: Your quote lines are a bit messed up Mr Dam(o)nYankees.

[Guest Coffey]

Uh, yeah. Ever heard of Chris Benoit? Brian Kendrick? Paul London? Super Crazy? Fucking Nova?

Credibility: demolished.

[naiwf 0]

Mysterio is a glorified gymnast who is smaller than some of the divas.

I've seen a lot of Divas who are over 165 pounds of mostly muscle.

 

Citing gross exaggerations as evidence really isn't a good way to convince people you're right. Nor is calling a good all-around worker a "glorified gymnast".

 

Smaller as in shorter.

 

Maybe if you'd actually said "Mysterio is a glorified gymnast who is shorter than some of the divas." you'd have realized how weak that argument is.

 

Name one traditional wrestling move that Mysterio regularly executes that doesn't involve him spinning/flipping in the air or bouncing off of the ropes. All of his offense is redundant because he's forced to repeat spots in a match simply because his physical limitations prevent him from being able to rely on "easy", believable offensive moves like slams, suplexes, even regular submission holds. He's a gymnast to me which is all well and good when he's wrestling other gymnasts, not hosses.

[Guest SickMoveFiend]

Name one traditional wrestling move that Mysterio regularly executes that doesn't involve him spinning/flipping in the air or bouncing off of the ropes. All of his offense is redundant because he's forced to repeat spots in a match simply because his physical limitations prevent him from being able to rely on "easy", believable offensive moves like slams, suplexes, even regular submission holds. He's a gymnast to me which is all well and good when he's wrestling other gymnasts, not hosses.

 

And who's to say Mysterio cant improvise his gymnastick abilities to hard hitting proportions?

 

Honestly, some of you poeple have no clue how to look at this.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

"Dont give me that 'bitter smarks' crap either, smarks still watch the WWE. I dont."

 

Then how are you apparently so wise about the entire WWE roster, sickmovefiend?