HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2006 What happened with Nash and the X-Division storyline? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro101 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2006 I'm guessing backstage stuff as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2006 Don't try to argue backwards with me. This isn't WWF, and it's not the 90's. He's not 'arguing backwards'. He's just pointing out the flaws in your argument. BFG is TNA's version of Wrestlemania, and it makes perfect sense to have the main event be Joe taking his place atop TNA. If that's too obvious for you, well, too bad, because Joe's crowning as NWA Champion really should take place at TNA's top event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Ocean 3 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2006 What flaw in what argument? All I said is I prefer Joe to defend the belt at the biggest show instead of win it. Comparing TNA to 1997 WWF is not valid, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Blank 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2006 And then he pointed out that from a wrestling booking (and money) standpoint Joe winning the title at the biggest show of the year makes more sense and would draw a hell of a lot more than "Joe's first defence" And then - as is common when people use logic and intelligence to discuss things - he backed it up with an example of what he was talking about, it's not about the federation or the year but the thinking that went into the booking of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Ocean 3 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2006 Well I guess I shouldn't have said anything because it's obviously difficult for people to understand the concept of having different ideas. I never tried to convince anyone what will draw more money, and what I don't care to compare other companies to this because they're irrelevant. I never said BFG should be his first defense, it should be his biggest. I already said why I like that - a fresh challenger going for Joe's belt and his streak is more meaningful to me. TNA is supposed to be the new, innovative brand, and I just put my idea out there. Something illogical or unintelligent about that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Joseph 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2006 I think it would be preferable to have their STAR win it at BFG, rather than Defend it. I would be more inclined to purchase it for the title change than for a successful title defense. Means more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2006 I think it would be preferable to have their STAR win it at BFG, rather than Defend it. I would be more inclined to purchase it for the title change than for a successful title defense. Means more. Exactly. It's common logic and it's how the business has always worked. Do the title change at the biggest stage if you can or make the event of that title change as big as you can make it. It's been that way for every promotion. WCW made the grave mistake of buring the Goldberg title win on a free tv with zero hype. It popped a huge rating for one night but a Hogan/Goldberg on PPV would have been the biggest PPV draw for WCW in 1998. Probably would have outdrawn Starrcade '97. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2006 True that it makes sense to have the title chase end at the biggest show of the year, but the thing about that is the fact that TNA as a whole isn't drawing. When the WWF was expanding in '84, Vince didn't wait for "the right time" to make Hogan champ. He put the belt on him right away. It might not be such a bad idea, if they want to push Joe as their top guy, to just give him the belt and let him run with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2006 WCW made the grave mistake of buring the Goldberg title win on a free tv with zero hype. It popped a huge rating for one night but a Hogan/Goldberg on PPV would have been the biggest PPV draw for WCW in 1998. They threw away around $7m with that move. As for Joe winning the NWA Title, what would mean more? Him winning it at TNA's top PPV, or winning it at a secondary PPV? There is nothing wrong with different ideas. But those ideas have to make more sense and have more meaning than current ones. Joe winning the NWA Title at a non-BFG PPV just to be different would be terrible, when it would make more sense and mean so much more to have him win the NWA Title at Bound For Glory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryankeast 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2006 Have to join the camp that says Joe should win the title at the "big" show. When is Bound For Glory anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Decemberists 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2006 It would be like Austin winning his first WWF title at an In Your House rather than WM. If you're putting the belt on someone who you're planning to be the top man for years to come it has to be a big moment and on a big show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2006 It would be like Austin winning his first WWF title at an In Your House rather than WM. If you're putting the belt on someone who you're planning to be the top man for years to come it has to be a big moment and on a big show. I gotta agree here too. I think the only shows TNA promotes as big enough for Joe's coronation are Slammiversary and BFG. They didn't start the big push for Joe early enough to pull the trigger at Slammy, but now they've got four months to get us ready to see Joe choke out Sting (or Jarrett). I'm actually torn....I think Joe gets more of a rub from choking out Sting, but I think a feud with Jarrett would have crowds eating out of TNA's hands. Imagine the "Joe's Gonna Kill You" chants drowning out Jarrett promos for 2 months or so! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2006 What they could do, and it could appeal to guys like Star Ocean, is have Joe win at next year's Slammiversary in one-on-one match, and have a high profile defense vs someone like Goldberg at BFG. Though I do agree that Joe needs to win the strap at their #1 event, so yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2006 What makes BFG the #1 show? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TNABaddboi 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2006 What makes BFG the #1 show? TNA said so....that's pretty much it. They promoted it last year as their "World Series." Tenay must have said that 100 times between the Spike debut and BFG. I personally think they'd be better off making Slammiversary their jewel PPV. Their anniversary is worth celebrating and the name just kinda has that Wrestlemania/Starrcade ring to it. But that's just my two cents. Since they've been doing monthly PPVs, they've established BFG, Slammy and LockDown as the big shows. If they didn't schedule Destination X so close to LockDown, and if they'd make it an X-division themed event, I'd say that'd be a good one to make a signature show too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2006 Finally things are being set into motion to make TNA a legit alternative to the E.... I think that Cornette could be the one addition that could "legitimize" TNA once and for all. Its obvious that the man has a brilliant wrestling mind, and even if his role is strictly "on-air" (and I doubt that it is), the booking of this upcoming Impact has his style written all over it. I thought that Vince was making a major mistake by letting Cornette go, and if this all comes to pass in the right way, look the hell out. I agree with the general consensus that they handled taking the X Title off of Joe perfectly. Low-Ki is the breath of fresh air that the X Division needed and not only that, he has worked with all of the X Division at one point or another in his career. His work with Daniels and Styles back in ROH were excellent at worst, downright awesome at best. I know I know, I'm a mark for him, and I'm getting slappy about it. This is getting me excited to get back into TNA again. I had strayed away from it because of things like Team Canada, D'Amore and Jarrett hogging the TV time. Their constant interference had turned me off. I'm not naive to think that there isn;t going to be interference by any of them anymore, but maybe, just maybe it won;t be so fucking predictable now. Making Style and Daniels the champs was the right move, but it wasn't enough to make me come back. Now, I cannot wait to see these things come to pass. And absolutely they should put the title on Joe at BFG. My only caveat to it is to have him lose to someone; Jarrett, Steiner or Sting perhaps in a way where Joe has "an off night", and maybe spend a little time with him trying to "regain his momentum". Personally I don;t think Joe really needs the undefeated streak anymore. Cast a little doubt on the outcome of the match, before and during. To have him go into BFG with every ounce of momentum might not make the moment where he does win the title as big as it should be, and definitely not as big as it NEEDS to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Ocean 3 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2006 ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2006 Senshi is going to kill you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2006 Excellent. Not quite as good as the Ki Krusher 99 from the top on Amazing Red, but excellent nonetheless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luke-o 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2006 Joe NEEDS to win the belt at BFG. Remember when Rhino won it last year, that was an amazing moment in TNA history, and wouldnt have had the same impact had it been on a "lesser" show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hotbutter Spoontoaster Report post Posted June 30, 2006 If Samoa Joe wins the title at Victory Road, and you build Monty Brown up (hugely) for the next 4 months, a Samoa Joe (and his title & streak) .VS. Monty Brown (and him never being champion & his own streak by then) match could possibly draw more than Joe flopping around for another four months with still being "undefeated" but being very obviously kept away from beating Jarrett/Sting at the "big" show. I agree with Star Ocean 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro101 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2006 Brown vs Joe would be good to see. Joe could carry him to a good match with another power vs power type deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luke-o 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2006 Monty needs to work with people who can carry him because he can't carry a match on his own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Intestine 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2006 Monty needs to work with people who can carry him because he can't carry a match on his own. Thanks~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
