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[Art Sandusky 0]

Basically all the airline terrorists in the last 20 or so years have been Arab Muslim men. It's not that hard a concept to grasp.

 

Radical Islam is our enemy right now, and we need to do everything we can to stop it.

 

Securing our borders might be a good first step, since any terrorist can basically just walk from Mexico to get into the US.

Why not behavioral profiling? That's a hell of a lot more effective.

 

Radicals period are our enemy.

 

I have no problems with making the borders mean something, 'specially the Canadian one. At least there's token attention paid to the Mexican border. It's even crazier to consider that the Canadian border has far more potential American targets close to it.

[Guest Felonies!]

I'm glad Dr. Zaius is here, because it's not as if we had a snuffbox and Cheesala here already.

[Vampiro69 0]

This thread lost 3 points of overness due to influence of Zaius, Chelsea, and snuffbox.

[Dr. Zaius 0]

I can't understand why people don't recognize how impractical racial profiling is.

 

 

"Behavorial assessment" profiling, by comparison, has been used successfully in Israeli airports for years.

Explain plz

They look for behavorial clues/body language the person might be up to something.

 

I'm glad Dr. Zaius is here, because it's not as if we had a snuffbox and Cheesala here already.

Is a rational counter-argument too really much to ask for? If you hate what I'm saying, maybe you should take it upon yourself to write a rebuttal instead of whining.

 

 

Basically all the airline terrorists in the last 20 or so years have been Arab Muslim men. It's not that hard a concept to grasp.

If you were in charge of airport security, all Arab terrorists would have to do is lighten their complexion with make-up and dye their hair to get past security.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Well if these clowns are complaining by my being here posting then I must be doing something right.

 

Better than anything Slayer ever contributed. OMG I HATE YOU MORE NOW!

 

Take part in the discussion or shut the fuck up.

[Dr. Zaius 0]

Who thinks a ban of all Arabic men from flying would permanently stop air terrorism?

 

Anyone?

[Guest Felonies!]

I'm glad Dr. Zaius is here, because it's not as if we had a snuffbox and Cheesala here already.

Is a rational counter-argument too really much to ask for? If you hate what I'm saying, maybe you should take it upon yourself to write a rebuttal instead of whining.

It's just funny that I could see "arabs r terrorists? o rly? lol, columbine!" coming a mile away.

[Slayer 0]

Better than anything Slayer ever contributed. OMG I HATE YOU MORE NOW!

Come on Cheesy, that's not up to your usual standards there

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Better than anything Slayer ever contributed. OMG I HATE YOU MORE NOW!

Come on Cheesy, that's not up to your usual standards there

 

 

It's all building to a finish that will no doubt disappoint and annoy. You have to step back to see it in all it's glory.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I'm glad Dr. Zaius is here, because it's not as if we had a snuffbox and Cheesala here already.

Is a rational counter-argument too really much to ask for? If you hate what I'm saying, maybe you should take it upon yourself to write a rebuttal instead of whining.

It's just funny that I could see "arabs r terrorists? o rly? lol, columbine!" coming a mile away.

The majority of terrorists worldwide are indeed Arabic. Still, racial profiling is fucked up and you know it. Why not do what the normal police does and just keep an eye out for specific actions or patterns? 'sides, if this were to go through don't you think it'd be easy to work around it? The want to kill noncombatants to further a school of thought/government/behavior is something that comes from inside your head with time and whatever the heck else motivates you. People certainly aren't born that way, which is something such a policy would imply. Defrauding senseless murderers for what they are will do far more to undermine their power than hitting the proverbial beehive with a bat.

[Dr. Zaius 0]

I'm glad Dr. Zaius is here, because it's not as if we had a snuffbox and Cheesala here already.

Is a rational counter-argument too really much to ask for? If you hate what I'm saying, maybe you should take it upon yourself to write a rebuttal instead of whining.

It's just funny that I could see "arabs r terrorists? o rly? lol, columbine!" coming a mile away.

 

To exclude Columbine, or for that matter the I.R.A. or Timothy McVeigh (who I also mentioned), from a discussion of where the premise seems to be that all terrorism is committed by Arbaic people, would be ignoring the facts. Until 5 years ago, the worst acts of terrorism in U.S. history were committed by whites. To pretend that white people cannot be terrorists (as some on this thread have done) simply because white people don't usually attack airports (and there have been white attempted hijackers in the past in Israel) is not sound reasoning.

[Guest DRH 502]

Its time we abolish religion. Period.

 

"More people have died in the name of religion than of cancer...and we try to cure cancer."

 

and also...

 

"To have faith means not wishing to know the truth..."

[Guest DRH 502]

To exclude Columbine

 

Columbine was a tragedy in that two youth's minds were corrupted at an early age and were too smart for their own good. To compare what they did to say the 9/11 hijackings or what Timothy McVeigh did...or the Olympic bombing in the 90s is just fucking absurd.

 

Welcome to ignore.

[snuffbox 0]

Did Marilyn Manson and Doom2 corrupt those two poor, hapless, bright-minded white teenagers?

[Guest Felonies!]

No, they were probably corrupted by getting the shit kicked out of them by meathead jocks. What does their race have to do with it, though?

[Art Sandusky 0]

Most, if not all of these ripping-the-fabric-of-suburbia shootings, are committed by white kids, but that doesn't mean you screen all the white kids more when they get to school each morning. It really is the same disturbed percentage of the population as Muslims face. Yes, they'll vote for extremists, but how many of their voters would honestly pull a trigger or blow themselves up?

 

Point is, don't fall for the easy (and ineffective) solution. Find one that works, and there is little support for the idea of singling out Muslims in the hopes of making terrorism go away. Root causes are far more important, and are harder to fix.

[snuffbox 0]

No, they were probably corrupted by getting the shit kicked out of them by meathead jocks. What does their race have to do with it, though?

 

Nothing, they're white.

[Guest Felonies!]

Okay, so why did it need to be included? It sounded like you were accusing him of mollycoddling the white kids for that reason. Now that may or may not be the case, I don't know. I think both assessments are off here: I don't think they were "corrupted at an early age" and "too smart for their own good," nor do I see the point of facetiously barfing out the old Manson/Doom party line to mock him, as everybody agrees that metal and video games are largely irrelevant to the development of this whole thing. They were just two of the many outcasts who were pushed up against the wall by the culture of high school and were eventually pushed over the edge because they weren't willing or mentally stable enough to react appropriately. You can't condone mass murder, but they never should've been driven to that in the first place.

[snuffbox 0]

When wildpegasus decides he can no longer handle his pathetic life and goes on a shooting rampage...should we blame Czech?

 

And, to what party does the 'Manson/Doom line' belong?

[Guest Felonies!]

I thought DeLay, Hatch, and the Republicans were the ones going "I say, it must be that heavy-metal rap music (emphasis on music) and those bloody gory video games (emphasis on game) that the kids so love!"

 

EDIT: No wait, DeLay said it was because moms took their kids to day care. What the fuck

[snuffbox 0]

There were the Democrats like Lieberman and Tipper Gore that blamed Manson etc at every opportunity as well.

[snuffbox 0]

I'm glad Dr. Zaius is here, because it's not as if we had a snuffbox and Cheesala here already.

Is a rational counter-argument too really much to ask for? If you hate what I'm saying, maybe you should take it upon yourself to write a rebuttal instead of whining.

It's just funny that I could see "arabs r terrorists? o rly? lol, columbine!" coming a mile away.

 

Czech, if you can tell how an idea (such as this one) is going to be shot down from a mile away...its probably not a good idea.

[Jingus 0]

Problem is, the behavioral profiling is nowhere near perfect. It flags completely innocent people all the time, and sometimes ignores real terrorists. There's no standardized body language for the entire human race.

 

Except for that one American kid with the shoe bomb, every single terrorist who has attempted attacks on airplanes and American targets in the past five years has been an adult male Muslim of Middle Eastern decent. In this case, I don't think racial profiling is racism: it's simple math.

 

Muslim Terrorists: 100%

 

Non-Muslim Terrorists: 0.

 

So why should we not scrutinize Muslim men more carefully than any other demographic?

[snuffbox 0]

I'll play the Bush Administration card...

 

If we racially profile Muslims at airports than the terrorists will know our plans and start recruiting other races into their evildoings. We must maintain a strict code of not having any sort of plan to combat terrorism. And we must never leave Iraq.

[Dr. Zaius 0]

Problem is, the behavioral profiling is nowhere near perfect. It flags completely innocent people all the time, and sometimes ignores real terrorists.

The terrorists are the one with big flashing signs over their heads that say "TERRORIST", right?

 

Behavior profiling is what Israelis use at their airports, and it works for them.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Snuffbox kinda went overboard with it, but it's a valid point. What prevents these people from recruiting people of other ethnic backgrounds in order to avoid being profiled? Extremism is extremism.

[Guest Felonies!]

Problem is, the behavioral profiling is nowhere near perfect. It flags completely innocent people all the time, and sometimes ignores real terrorists. There's no standardized body language for the entire human race.

 

Except for that one American kid with the shoe bomb, every single terrorist who has attempted attacks on airplanes and American targets in the past five years has been an adult male Muslim of Middle Eastern decent. In this case, I don't think racial profiling is racism: it's simple math.

 

Muslim Terrorists: 100%

 

Non-Muslim Terrorists: 0.

 

So why should we not scrutinize Muslim men more carefully than any other demographic?

How can we tell if somebody is a Muslim? Ask them?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Dude. Turban.

[Guest Felonies!]

Sikhs?

[Guest DRH 502]

THEY WERE WHITE?? Suprise suprise...i'm not 100 percent for sure but i'm willing to go out on a limb and say the majority of people in America ARE so yeah...its pretty likely a few white kids are gonna shoot up a school when they feel pushed too far. Its obvious these kids had mental diseases and there are theories about anti-depressents cause a lack of empathy in at least one of them, and by some accounts the other was just along for the ride(and thats not saying he wasn't a fucked up kid too, but Harris was the brains of the operation)...

 

And Snuffbox, do I seem like the type of dude to blame shit on music?? Fuck nah. You know I'm not even gonna say this can be blamed on the parents. The kids were smart enough to work the system into believing they were remorsefull for the crimes they commited prior to Columbine and went so far as to bragging about it in their personal journals. I'm not even 100 percent for sure if the kids liked Manson but thats a moot point. I will, however, step in and say that YES, the violence they witnessed in Video Games and movies DID play a part in devoloping their frame of mine (in that they saw such violence as acceptable). Not one thing can be soley to blame, and its a big tragedy that wasn't politically or racially motivated, so to call it a terrorist attack is not only wrong, its pretty fucking stupid.