John Cena -- One person's thoughts

[NoCalMike 0]

The spike in the ratings from Edge could have to do with his promise of a "Live Sex Show" which most males figured might include a glimpse of a nude Lita, which it did, sort of, by accident.

 

Also, "GO AWAY" Heat certainly DOES HAVE PASSION behind it, just witness the TNA crowd at Slammiversary when Jeff Jarrett won the belt, that was 100% "GO AWAY" Heat and there was passion behind it. Hell I would have thrown a baseball through my TV, breaking the thing, if I thought it had a chance of hitting Jarrett in the head.

 

I still say that a lot of the heat on Cena comes from the fact that when Vince decided to put him in the Main Event, the fans rejected the idea, and instead of Vince responding to the fans, he decided that because HE LIKED CENA, he was going to continue to push Cena to the moon. The fans failed to buy into Cena, and to this date only some are finally starting to give Cena a chance, but like I said before, you work out that fan relationship on the mid-card so by the time you are a #1 face, you have already connected with the fans, much in the way The Rock and Austin did BEFORE they were pushed to the moon.

[razazteca 0]

The problem with Cena is that they stopped letting him be "real" (for lack of a better term). Many times his babyface antics looked like the WWE struggling to recapture the Rock/Austin lightning in a bottle (especially in many of his backstage skits which reeked of Rock imitation). They've gotten a lot better with that, though.

The Will Smith voice and poor writing are #1 and #2 reasons for the "Sena Cux" hate.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Here some numbers for Cena's segments on Raw earlier this year. Feel free to accept or denounce them at your leisure.

 

4/17: Cena vs. Edge vs. HHH gained 748,000

4/24: Cena vs. Edge vs. HHH gained 1,280,000 viewers

5/1: Cena vs. Kenny gained 1,088,000 viewers

5/8: Cena and Michaels vs. Spirit Squad gained 823,000 viewers

5/15: Cena and RVD vs. HHH, Benjamin and Masters gained 610,000 viewers

[Hawk 34 0]

You can throw all the concrete proof that Cena draws but these people won't accept it because they have already determined what they interpret to be the truth(even when its not).

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Cena's great for heat and has gotten over his 2005 struggles to be a great main eventer in '06.

[Guest Human Highlight Reel]

Well, Cena isn't a rating turnoff, I'm not saying that, but those ratings weren't carried by him. Edge and Triple H are both over and helped the first two. 3 was a free guaranteed title matches, which are going to draw big. 4 is the only one I'd give Cena most credit for, albiet I don't know how much Shawn draws these days. I'm not saying he's ratings poison, just he's not the biggest draw in histiory and doesn't deserve his ultra-mega- Hogan-Austin push.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Here some numbers for Cena's segments on Raw earlier this year. Feel free to accept or denounce them at your leisure.

 

4/17: Cena vs. Edge vs. HHH gained 748,000

4/24: Cena vs. Edge vs. HHH gained 1,280,000 viewers

5/1: Cena vs. Kenny gained 1,088,000 viewers

5/8: Cena and Michaels vs. Spirit Squad gained 823,000 viewers

5/15: Cena and RVD vs. HHH, Benjamin and Masters gained 610,000 viewers

 

Those are good gains, but where were they on the card? I assume that these were the main events of the respective shows, which generally gain a large number of viewers. Quarter 7 is usually the lowest rated quarter hour and Q8 and the overrun are by far the highest. For a comparison, I would like to see how many viewers were gained in main events that Cena did not participate in.

 

I am not trying to denounce everything you say HTQ, it's just that you seem to have the information at hand and these are the sort of questions I ask when trying to decide whether or not someone is a draw.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

You can throw all the concrete proof that Cena draws but these people won't accept it because they have already determined what they interpret to be the truth(even when its not).

Sad, but true.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Here some numbers for Cena's segments on Raw earlier this year. Feel free to accept or denounce them at your leisure.

 

4/17: Cena vs. Edge vs. HHH gained 748,000

4/24: Cena vs. Edge vs. HHH gained 1,280,000 viewers

5/1: Cena vs. Kenny gained 1,088,000 viewers

5/8: Cena and Michaels vs. Spirit Squad gained 823,000 viewers

5/15: Cena and RVD vs. HHH, Benjamin and Masters gained 610,000 viewers

 

Those are good gains, but where were they on the card?

The first four were the main events, the fifth was the opener.

[goldengreek 0]

Cena is just another bland worker that has been pushed to the moon. No matter how bad certain workers are, there will always be a percentage of WWE marks that just go with the flow and happily swallow down the shit that Vince spoon feeds them. They will buy the merchandise and keep the flow of cash going, however at the same time if you listen to the crowd reaction Cena gets, it literally sounds like mainly females in the age range of 12-17 are ther for Cena, and maybe 10% of the Males in the crowd are there to cheer for him. Is it that hard for some of you to decipher high-pitch girls screaming at the top of their lungs from Grown Men cheering? It seems pretty obvious when I watch the show. And please don't point out the fact that the crowd says "You Can't See Me" with John Cena, because that is no different then the entire crowd chanting "YOU SUCK" at Angle, and then turning around to cheer the hell out of him during the match. The crowd always respond to taglines, it is the rest of the time you have to worry about.

 

See here is the thing also. It's not like a guy like Cena will never work out as a Main Eventer, but the problem is, he was put in that position way too soon, and as a result he is taking the lumps as a Main Eventer, that he should have been taking as a mid-carder. The fact that Cena was booed unmercifully when he turned into a ME "star" is an indication that the crowd was acknowledging that it was too damn soon for Cena to be put into the #1 face spot that he was given. So naturally, instead of responding to what people wanted, Vince decided it would be better to just push Cena down our throats until finally people came around, and now we are at the point where some people are turning back to his side, but others still refuse. All of this should have taken place at the mid-card level. The way The Rock and Austin turned people on their side before they even turned face, it was THE FANS/CROWD that showed Vince they belonged in the Main Event with a Super Face Push, but with Cena and hell Orton to, it was Vince making the decision, Not the fans.

I concur ( yeah,what he said)

[goldengreek 0]

Cena is a main eventer for one simple reason. He draws. Love him or hate him, the man brings people to the shows.

Bullshit!!! THE WOST AND MOST BORING RAWS are the ones he has headlined. The T.v. ratings have been shit. He does NOT draw like The ROCK, SCSA, Brett Hart, the old HBK, Macho, Hulk, Fuck even Taker and Angle

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Cena is a main eventer for one simple reason. He draws. Love him or hate him, the man brings people to the shows.

Bullshit!!! THE WOST AND MOST BORING RAWS are the ones he has headlined. The T.v. ratings have been shit. He does NOT draw like The ROCK, SCSA, Brett Hart, the old HBK, Macho, Hulk, Fuck even Taker and Angle

Thanks for reading what's been posted.

[justcoz 0]

Cena's popularity with kids and women is being attributed to the increase in house show attendance and the ratings posted above definitely show that his segments gain viewers. He's drawing. At the Pittsburgh Raw taping there were Pittsburgh Steelers in his gear. I am not a John Cena fan. I'm in agreement that making him a second rate Rock impersonator and the writers taking away his edge were a big reason for a lot of the backlash.

 

The way The Rock and Austin turned people on their side before they even turned face, it was THE FANS/CROWD that showed Vince they belonged in the Main Event with a Super Face Push, but with Cena and hell Orton to, it was Vince making the decision, Not the fans.

 

You are one of the posters that I usually agree with but I disagree here. On Smackdown, as a heel, Cena was getting pops, even against the Undertaker if I remember correctly. Even the MSG crowd at Wrestlemania 20, the same New York crowd that would douse him in toilet paper now, popped big time for his U.S. title win. So, in my opinion, the fans were turning him the same way that they turned Rock and Austin.

 

Problem is, like WWE always does, they took the cool heel and turned him into someone trying to be cute and get catch phrases over. They took his edgy raps and turned them into gay jokes that got tired. Then they moved him from Smackdown to Raw and it was obvious to anyone that he was brought to be the star of the show and wouldn't you know here he is making gay jokes about the heels and doing Rock-like promos. That was when fans rebelled.

[Guest Gary Busey]

I'm really digging Cena now. I think this feud with ECW is going to help him out a lot. He's being put into more brawls and doesn't have to worry about his lack of technical wrestling ability showing as much. He's also got more of an edge to him now and I think that will help him with the adult male demographic. His willingness to take a real ass beating at the hands of Sabu and company and his "thank you sir may I have another" attitude has really improved his character and added depth. He's also on a tremendous roll on the mic now that he isn't playing cutesy Rock-lite.

 

Cena, like Edge, is blossoming into a wonderful main eventer and I hope the focus stays on them for an extended period to really let them grow.

[Hawk 34 0]

Cena is a main eventer for one simple reason. He draws. Love him or hate him, the man brings people to the shows.

Bullshit!!! THE WOST AND MOST BORING RAWS are the ones he has headlined. The T.v. ratings have been shit. He does NOT draw like The ROCK, SCSA, Brett Hart, the old HBK, Macho, Hulk, Fuck even Taker and Angle

Except ratings are higher with Cena as main eventer then it was for Shawn, Bret, Taker, Macho...

 

Spelling Bret's name wrong should constitute a automatic suspension along with the fact you are completely wrong in every way possible.

 

John Cena has PROVEN to draw a crowd, increase the ratings...I know that PROOF is a hard concept to grasp but it's reality and while you might be content to live within this bubble, intelligent people will examine the numbers and conclude that John Cena is a legitimate draw.

[goldengreek 0]

The one thing I despise the most is all this crap talk of comparing Cena to The Rock. Especially when they compare his wrestling skills and move set. Pleople forget all of The Rocks moves when hw was Rocky Miavia. He was a high flyer and a good mat wrestler. People only remember the peoples elbow and the rock bottom. He was much more skilled. The Suplerfly Snuka move of the top rope, his neck-breakers, drop kicks, DDT'S, and so much more. Watch some old tapes when he was in The Nation, and prior to that.

 

For the last time blind people:

 

**Cena = The Rocks charisma

 

Is equal to

 

The Faboulous Moola's beauty = Jessica Alba's

 

 

**Cena's wrestling ability and moveset = The Rocks

 

Is equal to

 

The total wealth of an unemployeed plumber = the combined wealth of Bill Gates and Oprah Winfrey

 

GIMMIE A BREAK GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[goldengreek 0]

Cena is a main eventer for one simple reason. He draws. Love him or hate him, the man brings people to the shows.

Bullshit!!! THE WOST AND MOST BORING RAWS are the ones he has headlined. The T.v. ratings have been shit. He does NOT draw like The ROCK, SCSA, Brett Hart, the old HBK, Macho, Hulk, Fuck even Taker and Angle

Thanks for reading what's been posted.

You cant compare Cenas ratings to the years of The Rocks and SCSA, along with Nitro in its heyday

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

GIMMIE A BREAK GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't tempt me.

 

You cant compare Cenas ratings to the years of The Rocks and SCSA, along with Nitro in its heyday

 

And we, or anyone, would do that because?

 

We're just pointing out that Cena draws, while you're...well, I don't know what it is you're doing.

[goldengreek 0]

Cena's popularity with kids and women is being attributed to the increase in house show attendance and the ratings posted above definitely show that his segments gain viewers. He's drawing. At the Pittsburgh Raw taping there were Pittsburgh Steelers in his gear. I am not a John Cena fan. I'm in agreement that making him a second rate Rock impersonator and the writers taking away his edge were a big reason for a lot of the backlash.

 

The way The Rock and Austin turned people on their side before they even turned face, it was THE FANS/CROWD that showed Vince they belonged in the Main Event with a Super Face Push, but with Cena and hell Orton to, it was Vince making the decision, Not the fans.

 

You are one of the posters that I usually agree with but I disagree here. On Smackdown, as a heel, Cena was getting pops, even against the Undertaker if I remember correctly. Even the MSG crowd at Wrestlemania 20, the same New York crowd that would douse him in toilet paper now, popped big time for his U.S. title win. So, in my opinion, the fans were turning him the same way that they turned Rock and Austin.

 

Problem is, like WWE always does, they took the cool heel and turned him into someone trying to be cute and get catch phrases over. They took his edgy raps and turned them into gay jokes that got tired. Then they moved him from Smackdown to Raw and it was obvious to anyone that he was brought to be the star of the show and wouldn't you know here he is making gay jokes about the heels and doing Rock-like promos. That was when fans rebelled.

Dont you think the WWE officials gave the Steeler players FREE Cena gear? Or do you think 20 players came to the show dressed the same way? lmao

[goldengreek 0]

Cena is a main eventer for one simple reason. He draws. Love him or hate him, the man brings people to the shows.

Bullshit!!! THE WOST AND MOST BORING RAWS are the ones he has headlined. The T.v. ratings have been shit. He does NOT draw like The ROCK, SCSA, Brett Hart, the old HBK, Macho, Hulk, Fuck even Taker and Angle

Except ratings are higher with Cena as main eventer then it was for Shawn, Bret, Taker, Macho...

 

Spelling Bret's name wrong should constitute a automatic suspension along with the fact you are completely wrong in every way possible.

 

John Cena has PROVEN to draw a crowd, increase the ratings...I know that PROOF is a hard concept to grasp but it's reality and while you might be content to live within this bubble, intelligent people will examine the numbers and conclude that John Cena is a legitimate draw.

Relax Dr. House! I mispelled Brets name. I think its actually more embarasing that you noticed it and that it bothered you.

 

What am I doing arguing with 14 year olds???

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

What am I doing arguing with 14 year olds???

Losing.

[Dark Age 0]

I'm glad goldengreek is here to clear up the issue!

[goldengreek 0]

I'm glad goldengreek is here to clear up the issue!

Which one in particular??

P.S. Be an individual kid, dont join the popular group / opinion because you wanna be "cool"

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

If the popular opinion is the correct one, then an intelligent person would join it up.

[Dark Age 0]

I'm glad goldengreek is here to clear up the issue!

Which one in particular??

P.S. Be an individual kid, dont join the popular group / opinion because you wanna be "cool"

 

I apologise to you, my friend.

[goldengreek 0]

If the popular opinion is the correct one, then an intelligent person would join it up.

Thats correct, you said it ------- IF

[ANKLELOCK 0]

I'm just as much a "smart mark" as the next guy on this board, but those of you who are STILL on the "Cena Sux" bandwagon and don't acknowledge his very discernable improvement both in the ring, as a character, and in crowd reactions are delusional.

 

Although I do still resent the way WWE shoves him down our throats, but that ain't really his fault.

[Angle-plex 0]

Who gives a shit if Cena is a draw? None of us own WWE so why is there an argument over something so irrelevent?

 

The ECW storyline makes me like Cena a little more. They have done a good job making him into the "fighting champion with no wrestling skills". I would still fast foward a backstage Cena interview (like last night) but I like seeing his interaction with the crowd and other wrestlers I like. At least he doesn't overact like Spirit Squad and Edge and is somewhat believable that a middle class white guy would try to act like a thug.

[Guest ChampKind]

The "concrete evidence" you refer to Hawk34, the indisputable smoking gun, looks to me like four main events and an opening title match. Seems to me like the beginning and end of Raw are always the most highly rated. Look at any Raw ever and the highest segments will always be the beginning and the main event. Put anyone from the top teir in Cena's lead face role and those numbers will stay about the same.

 

And ANKLELOCK, I don't feel I'm on a bandwagon disliking Cena. I don't like Cena because his matches are the same thing over and over again: clotheslines, flying shoulder block, that blue thunder-esque move, five knuckle shuffle, FU, maybe STFU if it's a big match. That's about it. And as far as his character, I think it SUCKS. He was edgy in 2003, pushing the envelope with his raps. Now he says things like "fart juice" and salutes. How's that anything like what made people cheer him? Perhaps that's why he's hated, not because people want to jump on a bandwagon.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Look at any Raw ever and the highest segments will always be the beginning and the main event.

That's not even close to being true.