UFC 62: Babalu Vs. Liddell...

[starvenger 0]

Someone will have to post the YouTube of that fight because I heard Shrek has a fucking chin like no one else in the game. I just don't believe GSP has the power to KO Shrek, he is just wayyy to big. Did this fight take place in an Openweight Tourney somewhere else because there is no way Shrek cut to 170...or even 185 for that matter last time i saw him he was walking around close to 280...

 

EDIT: I say "fuck" and variants thereof wayyyy too much. DRH FUCKING 502 and DANA FUCKING WHITE polluting the world with our potty mouths.

It was a TKO - ref stoppage

 

Rudo posted this a while back:

 

Sherk vs. GSP

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WW456GV2

Sean Sherk is one of the few fighters to take Matt Hughes the distance and give him a competitive fight in the octagon and came in with that as his only loss in over 40 fights. GSP fucks his shit up.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

You guys can stop arguing about Silva's chances, as Terrell has been replaced by Alan Belcher.

[Guest DRH 502]

Dude I never said half that shit that is in that quote man none of that made sense and there is no way i'd type "Shrek" that many times and not notice...either you misquoted that or someone has my password and is fucking around with things...

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

No one really cares. Don't be so self conscious WildPegasus.

[Guest DRH 502]

Ahhh I see. Don't give me a damn history lesson dude, if you look a few posts about that YOU SEE A PICTURE OF SHREK. My post was a damn joke are you that dense or are you just hell bent on trying to condradict what I say?

 

I just don't believe GSP has the power to KO Shrek, he is just wayyy to big. Did this fight take place in an Openweight Tourney somewhere else because there is no way Shrek cut to 170...or even 185 for that matter last time i saw him he was walking around close to 280...

 

Please read that over and over again while looking at the picture of Shrek posting a few pages back. Make sense now?

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

What the hell?

 

Has the whole board gone crazy?

[starvenger 0]

Dude I never said half that shit that is in that quote man none of that made sense and there is no way i'd type "Shrek" that many times and not notice...either you misquoted that or someone has my password and is fucking around with things...

Don't know, dude. I just saw what I saw there and hit "Quote" then "Reply".

 

Has the whole board gone crazy?

What, people on this board are sane? Dammit, now I gotta leave...

[Guest Danny]

Ok here are my picks for the up coming main events, and ofcourse all fighters are open to a chance of winning. Just because I pre pick does not mean to degrade any fighter. I think as long as they come inside the Octagon to face another man, ready to battle it out, these fighters are already winners. Unfortunately, one must loose while the other advance in the rankings.

- Diego over Karo

- Chuck over Babalu

- Hughes over GSP

- Loiseau over Swick

- Franklin over Silva

and I wanted to pick David Terrell too, but seems like he will miss the chance to get the W this time.

[Guest DRH 502]

I agree with most all of those except possibly Babalu/Chuck and Silva/Franklin. Franklin/Silva would be a muay thai kickboxing match most of the way through...i'm not an expert on the subject but Silva seems to really have top notch stand up and if Franklin tries to stand with him the whole fight, in my opinion there is a good chance of Silva knocking him out. Thats a big IF, and i'd also have to think Franklin would have a definitve advantage in the clinch because of his size. Its a hard one to call for me. Definately gonna be a big test for Franklin.

 

I'm like 80 percent sure Chuck will knock out Babalu, but who knows. Babalu definately isn't some washed up scrub. He hasn't lost a fight since the Liddell match, although I guess one could argue he hasn't faced someone with the skill of Liddell. I'm stoked for all these fights just about.

 

I also think Karo has a decent chance of beating Diego's ass. he looked vicious in his last night.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Correction: Franklin/Silva would be a kickboxing match until Franklin takes Silva down and proceeds to own him en route to a submission victory.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Correction: Franklin/Silva would be a kickboxing match until Franklin takes Silva down and proceeds to own him en route to a submission victory.

 

Correction to your Correction: Silva is going to tap Franklin's chin and finish him off.

 

By the way, GSP is going to beat Hughes :)

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Silva better hope to God that the punch he throws at Franklin has Fedor-like power behind it because otherwise that lanky ma'fucka is being planted on his back and will remain there until Ace chooses how to finish him.

 

It's a shame that this will apparently be Rich's first fight back as I like both guys but cannot under any circumstances root against Franklin. But hey, Joe Riggs isn't doing much these days. Anderson can kill him when he loses.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Silva better hope to God that the punch he throws at Franklin has Fedor-like power behind it because otherwise that lanky ma'fucka is being planted on his back and will remain there until Ace chooses how to finish him.

 

It's a shame that this will apparently be Rich's first fight back as I like both guys but cannot under any circumstances root against Franklin. But hey, Joe Riggs isn't doing much these days. Anderson can kill him when he loses.

 

I really think your underrating Silva's chances. Your acting like there is no doubt Franklin will win. I agree that Franklin could win, but I think Silva's going to take it. I think he really wants to win this more then Franklin IMO, because he wants to show the American fans how great he is, by defeating their top MW fighter.

 

By the way Joe Riggs is fighting Jason Von Flue at UFN.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I'm not underrating Silva's chances so much as I'm pidegonholding them. He's not gonna sub Franklin, not gonna ground and pound him and not decison him, thus leaving a flash KO as his only way of taking it.

[Guest Danny]

I did not see UFN 5, and missed the exciting KO that Silva did to Leben. But I think after beating a fighter at Chris Leben's level, a fighter should not challenge Rich Franklin and believes he belongs in the same level just yet. It could turn out to be another Nate Quarry / Franklin match. It would be a much better, more even fight, if Silva was to take on either David Loiseau or Nate Quarry, to test himself, to see where he really is at. And if he could rack up a couple wins at this level, then he is ready to call for a challenge for the tittle. Silva is good, just need more fight experiences to reach Rich Franklin's level of caliber.

[Guest DRH 502]

By the way, GSP is going to beat Hughes

 

Possibly next year when they have their third match...

[starvenger 0]

By the way Joe Riggs is fighting Jason Von Flue at UFN.

So I guess fighting as a MW didn't agree with him (again)?

 

Also, what's the MMA equivalent to a JTTS? Glorified can?

[Guest DRH 502]

I think JVF is middleweight if i'm not mistaken...

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I did not see UFN 5, and missed the exciting KO that Silva did to Leben. But I think after beating a fighter at Chris Leben's level, a fighter should not challenge Rich Franklin and believes he belongs in the same level just yet. It could turn out to be another Nate Quarry / Franklin match. It would be a much better, more even fight, if Silva was to take on either David Loiseau or Nate Quarry, to test himself, to see where he really is at. And if he could rack up a couple wins at this level, then he is ready to call for a challenge for the tittle. Silva is good, just need more fight experiences to reach Rich Franklin's level of caliber.

 

I think you're overrating Franklin and underrating Silva here to be honest. Franklin had difficulty with Jorge Rivera (who's on TUF IV) just under 2 years ago. Silva was above Quarry long before he stepped foot in the octagon and he'd fuck him up maybe worse then Franklin if the two were to go at it. Loiseau/Silva would be a sweet bout, though. Not too much danger in either guy taking it to the mat.

[Guest Danny]

Yes I also saw that difficult fight of Rich and Jorge a couple years back. But Rich is at a completely different level of caliber now, he's been winning in fights with all high level fighters and getting more experience and confident. What I was trying to get at, is that Silva will be just as good, if he does the same thing like Rich, get more fights in, with higher level opponents, before the tittle fight with Rich Franklin.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Silva/Marquadt on the 64 card for a shot at Franklin in December makes perfect sense to me. Now THAT is a fight where Silva would need to knock the dude out quick or face a night staring at the ceiling.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I did not see UFN 5, and missed the exciting KO that Silva did to Leben. But I think after beating a fighter at Chris Leben's level, a fighter should not challenge Rich Franklin and believes he belongs in the same level just yet. It could turn out to be another Nate Quarry / Franklin match. It would be a much better, more even fight, if Silva was to take on either David Loiseau or Nate Quarry, to test himself, to see where he really is at. And if he could rack up a couple wins at this level, then he is ready to call for a challenge for the tittle. Silva is good, just need more fight experiences to reach Rich Franklin's level of caliber.

 

I assume you haven't heard of Silva before coming to the UFC.

 

He's already beaten top middleweights, Jeremy Horn, Jorge Rivera, Lee Murray, and now Chris Leben. It's not like he's an inexperence fighter like Nate Quarry. You can make an arguement Silva has better wins then Franklin.

 

Possibly next year when they have their third match...

Nope, Matt Hughes might able to beat him that time. But 1st he'll have to get past BJ Penn, because GSP will have to fight the winner of TUF4 for the title next.

 

I think JVF is middleweight if i'm not mistaken...

 

He fought welterweight in TUF3.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I should just point out how much I dislike the "He wants it more" line. How do you know who wants it more? It's impossible to tell, it's pure conjecture and therefore a useless argument.

 

In my opinion Lindland vs. Franklin has a better story, what with the UFC shafting Matt while he waited for his shot at the title. I doubt that will happen anytime soon, but I'd like to see it.

 

Silva can knock Franklin out, but if Franklin is smart enough to take him to the ground, he will win it. Sometimes I wonder what goes through his head, since he could have finished Rivera and Loiseau sooner had he taken both those fights to the ground.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I did not see UFN 5, and missed the exciting KO that Silva did to Leben. But I think after beating a fighter at Chris Leben's level, a fighter should not challenge Rich Franklin and believes he belongs in the same level just yet. It could turn out to be another Nate Quarry / Franklin match. It would be a much better, more even fight, if Silva was to take on either David Loiseau or Nate Quarry, to test himself, to see where he really is at. And if he could rack up a couple wins at this level, then he is ready to call for a challenge for the tittle. Silva is good, just need more fight experiences to reach Rich Franklin's level of caliber.

 

I assume you haven't heard of Silva before coming to the UFC.

 

He's already beaten top middleweights, Jeremy Horn, Jorge Rivera, Lee Murray, and now Chris Leben. It's not like he's an inexperence fighter like Nate Quarry. You can make an arguement Silva has better wins then Franklin.

 

Possibly next year when they have their third match...

Nope, Matt Hughes might able to beat him that time. But 1st he'll have to get past BJ Penn, because GSP will have to fight the winner of TUF4 for the title next.

 

I think JVF is middleweight if i'm not mistaken...

 

He fought welterweight in TUF3.

 

The TUF IV winners will have to wait a minute because it's generally acknowledged that the winner of Parysian vs Sanchez will be challenging GSP for his newly won WW title.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I should just point out how much I dislike the "He wants it more" line. How do you know who wants it more? It's impossible to tell, it's pure conjecture and therefore a useless argument.

 

I judge on who wants it more by interviews, and how their reactions to fight are. I find it not hard to find who is the more hungry fighter. I do a good job of find it out, because most of the time when I do pick on that, I'm right. Sometimes yes it's harder to find the hungrier fighter. But I could be wrong about the Silva/Franklin fight, I'll really have to see when the fight is build up to determine it. But as of right now, Silva seems like a starving fighter in the UFC and is hell bent on showing the fans he is the real deal. You understand?

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Interviews is them talking.

 

Fights and training is what I base fights on really. Who cares how much shit they talk? How many times has Kevin Randleman gone off about how we're gonna see the new Kevin Randleman, how he's trained harder for this fight or blah blah blah.

 

Picking the winner based on interviews is pretty dumb. 99% of the time fighters want to win and give all they can. They don't necessarily have to talk to get that across.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

For reals. Just listen to Jerry Millen doing the PRIDE voice-overs. Every single one of them dudes is all about being hungry and shit.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Interviews is them talking.

 

Fights and training is what I base fights on really. Who cares how much shit they talk? How many times has Kevin Randleman gone off about how we're gonna see the new Kevin Randleman, how he's trained harder for this fight or blah blah blah.

 

Picking the winner based on interviews is pretty dumb. 99% of the time fighters want to win and give all they can. They don't necessarily have to talk to get that across.

 

Kevin Randleman also breaks down mentally in the ring, which doesn't happen to focus and hungry fighters.

 

I've already said, some fights are harder to pick because some fighters look just as hungry and that's when I pick off skill. Staredown's and ring enterence are great way to find this out also. I've won alot of money basing my picks of doing this, so I'm not going to stop.

[Guest DRH 502]

I have no clue how you figure he is more hungry than Ace. Ace has the pressure of going in their champion and everyone around him expecting him to walk out everytime champion...Plus in case you didn't notice Franklin drops BOMBZ!~!

[Guest DRH 502]

Kevin Randleman also breaks down mentally in the ring, which doesn't happen to focus and hungry fighters.

 

Yes it does. It happens to the best of all of them not named Fedor or Nog. Hughes broke down mentally against Penn, you can see it in his eyes after the first punch. Penn breaks down mentally after realising he just beat Matt fucking Hughes. I've saw Tito Ortiz break mentally among many other fighters I consider to be great...