Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2006 Good list alf, I had Malone, Mutombo, and Payton in my nineties list. I forgot to mention that I only ranked a player in one era for my lists, otherwise I would have had those three on it as well. Also, I took into account stats and awards before 2000, I only had to use that as a buffer zone to seperate each player into different eras. Here are my ninties era platers: 25. Latrell Sprewell 24. Dennis Rodman 23. Reggie Miller 22. Shawn Kemp 21. Dikembe Mutombo 20. Joe Dumars 19. Anfernee Hardaway 18. Chris Mullin 17. Alonzo Mourning 16. Brad Daugherty 15. Mark Price 14. Mitch Richmond 13. Kevin Johnson 12. Tim Hardaway 11. Grant Hill 10. Gary Payton 9. Scottie Pippen 8. Clyde Drexler 7. Patrick Ewing 6. John Stockton 5. David Robinson 4. Hakeem Olajuwon 3. Charles Barkley 2. Karl Malone 1. Michael Jordan Honorable Mentions: Vin Baker, Derrick Coleman, Glen Rice, Larry Johnson, Rod Strickland. If you took pre 2000 stats in consideration, I don't see how you can have Latrell over Glen Rice. Plus, once again, I think Shawn Kemp is making it solely on namesake. His best year was like 22-10. Thats like Chris webbers career stats. Who, by the way, is also missing. And so is Jamal Mashburn. At the same time though, I don't see 3 guys you could definately move off your list. Aside from Latrell and maybe Kemp and Daughtery(just because Brad's time was so short lived and he couldn't rebound or block a shot to save his life....Mark Price MADE him) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2006 Sometimes you go to look past stats. Payton to Kemp combo was one of the best of all time IMO. Where is Jason Kidd? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2006 OK, here's my list. Taken into account are the seasons from 2000 (the Lakers' first title) to now, including stats, awards, and playoff success. My limit was 300 games, as opposed to the 400 benoitrulz4life used. 1. Shaquille O'Neal 2. Tim Duncan 3. Allen Iverson 4. Kobe Bryant 5. Jason Kidd 6. Kevin Garnett 7. Dirk Nowitzki 8. Ben Wallace 9. Steve Nash 10. Tracy McGrady 11. Ray Allen 12. Chris Webber 13. Elton Brand 14. Paul Pierce 15. Vince Carter 16. Antoine Walker 17. Shawn Marion 18. Chauncey Billups 19. Sam Cassell 20. Jermaine O'Neal 21. Karl Malone 22. Antawn Jamison 23. Stephon Marbury 24. Mike Bibby 25. Dikembe Mutombo I'm guessing benoitrulz's list weighed a lot more on stats than mine did. I'd have a hard time excluding a Finals MVP (Billups) from my list. Antawn Jamison is probably the Adrian Dantley of the new millennium in terms of not getting enough respect. He put up a lot of his numbers with a bad team in Golden State, but the past couple years he's shown he can do it with a playoff team, as well. Bibby gets in ahead of Francis and Baron based solely on his playoff resume. He can definitely move up with a few more years like this one. Mutombo was a big part of two Finals teams, was DPOY in 2000 and holds rebounding titles in '00 and '01. These were my next 10, in no particular order: Jerry Stackhouse Michael Finley Andre Miller Ron Artest Glenn Robinson Steve Francis Baron Davis Peja Stojakovic Gary Payton Shareef Abdur-Rahim This list is much better then the other one. Alfdog knows his shit, I'm pretty impressed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2006 Where is Jason Kidd? I forgot to mention that I only ranked a player in one era for my lists, otherwise I would have had those three on it as well. Same with Webber. Jamal Mashburn was incredible, but his games per season were troubling. From his rookie season forward - 79, 80, 18, 69, 48 and 24 (lockout year) leading into the '99-00 season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2006 Thanks for the feedback, like I said in the first post these aren't opinion, only reached statistically through a formula I made in a spreadsheet. Here are the eighties rankings: 25. Alvin Robertson 24. Reggie Theus 23. Gus Williams 22. Michael Ray Richardson 21. Tom Chambers 20. Ralph Sampson 19. Artis Gilmore 18. Dennis Johnson 17. Jack Sikma 16. Walter Davis 15. Sidney Moncrief 14. Adrian Dantley 13. Marques Johnson 12. Bernard King 11. Kevin McHale 10. Alex English 9. James Worthy 8. Robert Parish 7. Dominique Wilkins 6. Isiah Thomas 5. George Gervin 4. Julius Erving 3. Moses Malone 2. Larry Bird 1. Magic Johnson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted August 13, 2006 OK, here's my 90's list. I tried to stick to a 400-game minimum, but I ended up making a few exceptions, which I'm sure you'll notice. 1. Michael Jordan 2. Hakeem Olajuwon 3. Charles Barkley 4. David Robinson 5. Karl Malone 6. Scottie Pippen 7. John Stockton 8. Patrick Ewing 9. Shaquille O'Neal 10. Clyde Drexler 11. Dominique Wilkins 12. Alonzo Mourning 13. Reggie Miller 14. Kevin Johnson 15. Tim Hardaway 16. Gary Payton 17. Mitch Richmond 18. Grant Hill 19. Dikembe Mutombo 20. Shawn Kemp 21. Anfernee Hardaway 22. Dennis Rodman 23. Chris Webber 24. Rod Strickland 25. Jason Kidd next 10 Glen Rice Latrell Sprewell Chris Mullin Derrick Coleman Joe Dumars Detlef Schrempf Mark Price Mookie Blaylock Mark Jackson Vin Baker On this list, I could really take the players' peaks into consideration, whereas on the 2000 list, many of them may have not yet reached theirs. Basically, I felt that Price and Blaylock had great peaks, but Strickland's was more impressive. Truly a travesty that this guy never made an All-Star team. Mullin I left off because he really only had about 3 1/2 years at an elite level in the decade before the injuries began. Dumars would probably be "25a" if I made that option. I ended up going with Kidd because his all-around game was far more impressive. Webber was one that I was pretty generous with in terms of games played and being injured, but you can't really argue with the numbers he put up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2006 The Eighties: 25. Alvin Robertson 24. Reggie Theus 23. Gus Williams 22. Michael Ray Richardson 21. Tom Chambers 20. Ralph Sampson 19. Artis Gilmore 18. Dennis Johnson 17. Jack Sikma 16. Walter Davis 15. Sidney Moncrief 14. Adrian Dantley 13. Marques Johnson 12. Bernard King 11. Kevin McHale 10. Alex English 9. James Worthy 8. Robert Parish 7. Dominique Wilkins 6. Isiah Thomas 5. George Gervin 4. Julius Erving 3. Moses Malone 2. Larry Bird 1. Magic Johnson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted August 17, 2006 The Seventies 25. Bob Dandridge 24. Gail Goodrich 23. Doug Collins 22. Lou Hudson 21. Paul Westphal 20. Connie Hawkins 19. Jo Jo White 18. George McGinnis 17. Earl Monroe 16. Bob Lanier 15. Spencer Haywood 14. David Thompson 13. Bob McAdoo 12. Wes Unseld 11. Dave Bing 10. Bill Walton 9. Tiny Archibald 8. Billy Cunningham 7. Pete Maravich 6. Walt Frazier 5. Elvin Hayes 4. Rick Barry 3. Dave Cowens 2. John Havlicek 1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2006 Guys like Kevin Johnson are getting screwed on these list because he was good from like 88-95. He didn't play enough years in either decade to be considered an all time great in either on of the decades. Those in between year guys are tough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2006 Guys like Kevin Johnson are getting screwed on these list because he was good from like 88-95. He didn't play enough years in either decade to be considered an all time great in either on of the decades. Those in between year guys are tough. Actually, I considered his entire career when listing him with the nineties, I only need to have a period of time to list each player in. I think 13 and 14 aren't bad rankings at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
