snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2006 The Arturo Gatti-Carlos Baldomir fight is tonight, on HBO. This is basically guranteed to be entertaining. Replay of Mosley-Vargas 2 up first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2006 Jesus, Gatti really took a fucking beating...Baldomir just would not stop punching. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Al Giardello 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2006 Bring on Margarito Vs. Baldomir! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2006 I love how by the time Buffer anounced the results, the vibe throughout the arena was like that of a funeral. I still can't believe people didn't even give Bladomir enough credit to last as long as Damgaard, much less whoop on Gatti. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted July 23, 2006 I completely forgot about this fight before coming over to see my parents were watching it. I looked at both of the fighters and declared Gatti was getting his ass handed to him. No way is he going to be successful at that weight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted July 24, 2006 I completely forgot about this fight before coming over to see my parents were watching it. I looked at both of the fighters and declared Gatti was getting his ass handed to him. No way is he going to be successful at that weight. Against good fighters he doesn't massively outsize? I agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 24, 2006 Gatti moving up in weight really hurt him here. He landed a lot of clean shots on Baldomir, and Baldomir just walked right through them. When it comes to Gatti, if you can take his punches, you will win because it is guaranteed you can land anything you want on his face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 24, 2006 Judah didn't seem to bother Baldo a whole lot with his punches either and he was undisputed welterweight champion at the time. Guy's got a plenty good chin. And Shane's left hook that dropped Nando was petty cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted July 25, 2006 What really got me about Baldomir's win is that he's not really a heavy hitter. Guy's got what, less than 20 kos in 40 some wins? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Baldomir doesnt seem to be too 'powerful'...but he is really accurate, and he just keeps throwing punches. He's been able to school Zab and steamroll Gatti without ever being troubled by either guys' shots. Carlos Baldomir is the fighter of the year so far...and, he has done far more than Margarito, though his nuthuggers will just say he's being 'ducked'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Well also, lets not make bones about what Arturo Gatti is, he is a B-level club fighter that has a lot of heart and can brawl his ass off, but other then that is he really anything special? He is the guy who can always win the preliminary fight to get the Championship Fight, but then gets school in that very bout every time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Well also, lets not make bones about what Arturo Gatti is, he is a B-level club fighter that has a lot of heart and can brawl his ass off, but other then that is he really anything special? He is the guy who can always win the preliminary fight to get the Championship Fight, but then gets school in that very bout every time. But Baldo still whooped on him in impressive fashion, in a manner many didn't think he could. Not many other champions have done much else this year just yet (aside from Pacquiao), so when combined with the victory over Judah, Baldo's praise for what he's already done this year is well earned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Well also, lets not make bones about what Arturo Gatti is, he is a B-level club fighter that has a lot of heart and can brawl his ass off, but other then that is he really anything special? He is the guy who can always win the preliminary fight to get the Championship Fight, but then gets school in that very bout every time. But Baldo still whooped on him in impressive fashion, in a manner many didn't think he could. Not many other champions have done much else this year just yet (aside from Pacquiao), so when combined with the victory over Judah, Baldo's praise for what he's already done this year is well earned. Yeah well sometimes commentators are stupid. I mean they were making a huge deal that Baldomir had 9 losses and 6 draws, but he still had 40+wins. Also, I can't stress enough the difference it makes on some fighters when they fuck around with moving up and down in weight. Not everyone can handle the transition. Gatti obviously couldn't because he was landing clean head shots that had ZERO EFFECT. On the other hand, every time Gatti got hit it looked like Baldomir was hitting raw hamburger meat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Gatti may well have been able to be a real threat at 147...but definitly not at this late stage in his brutal career. Also, no 'B-level clubfighter' could do what Gatti did to Leonard Dorin, Tracy Patterson, Gabe Ruelas, Terron Millett, etc. He was an extrememly courageous fighter who used what skills he had to earn a Hall of Fame career. Getting stomped by great fighters like PBF and Baldomir in his twilight does not diminish that at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Well also, lets not make bones about what Arturo Gatti is, he is a B-level club fighter that has a lot of heart and can brawl his ass off, but other then that is he really anything special? He is the guy who can always win the preliminary fight to get the Championship Fight, but then gets school in that very bout every time. But Baldo still whooped on him in impressive fashion, in a manner many didn't think he could. Not many other champions have done much else this year just yet (aside from Pacquiao), so when combined with the victory over Judah, Baldo's praise for what he's already done this year is well earned. Yeah well sometimes commentators are stupid. I mean they were making a huge deal that Baldomir had 9 losses and 6 draws, but he still had 40+wins. Also, I can't stress enough the difference it makes on some fighters when they fuck around with moving up and down in weight. Not everyone can handle the transition. Gatti obviously couldn't because he was landing clean head shots that had ZERO EFFECT. On the other hand, every time Gatti got hit it looked like Baldomir was hitting raw hamburger meat. Again: the only problem this time around is that Gatti was fighting a good fighter who he didn't outsize. Gatti may well have been able to be a real threat at 147...but definitly not at this late stage in his brutal career. Gatti would've never been a threat at 147lbs. Hell, he wasn't much of a threat at 140lbs., unless he was fighting someone of his caliber like Mickey Ward. Also, no 'B-level clubfighter' could do what Gatti did to Leonard Dorin, Tracy Patterson, Gabe Ruelas, Terron Millett, etc. Dorin was a small, semi-retired lightweight; Ruelas was shot and yet still nearly KO'ed Gatti; Millet was past his best and was notable at that point only for being able to down Judah; and Patterson was a solid (but nothing special) LW win. Also, B-level club fighters DO lose to Mickey Ward, Ivan Robinson, & Angel Manfredy. He was an extrememly courageous fighter who used what skills he had to earn a Hall of Fame career. If the Hall of Fame were about honoring the best boxers of all time, or even their generations... no. But hell, nowadays guys like Vinny Paz are now "HOF caliber." Getting stomped by great fighters like PBF and Baldomir in his twilight does not diminish that at all. Except he routinely got beat by the best fighters he fought (a few of them being not that good). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2006 If Ingo Bingo is a HoFer...then so is Arturo Gatti. I rest my case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2006 If being in the HoF is meaningless, then I say Arturo Gatti goes in. That's essentially what you're saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2006 Essentially, yes. Obviously the boxing HoF (like with all sports) has flaws and is far from perfect. Ingo being included is the best example of this, imo. But the name is, as mentioned often, Hall of FAME and not the Hall of Credentials. It appears to be a place to cement legacies of people who made the biggest impact on the sport, reached great audiences, and will not soon be forgotten by those that saw him fight. Gatti fits this bill as well as anyone. Ingemar Johannsen gets in on the basis of one huge ko of Pretty Boy (and glass-chinned) Floyd Patterson. The most memorable part of his career is his quivering leg when Floyd knocked him back into oblivion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2006 That's still one more big win than Gatti. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2006 How were the two wins over Tracy Harris Patterson not big wins? His pops was among the weakest heavyweight champs ever...fought a string of bums, beat an elderly lightheavy for Rocky's vacant belt, fought more bums (one of which was making his pro debut), had the fights with Ingo (the equivalent of Sergei Lykhavich), then got splattered against every good heavy he faced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2006 Come to think of it, Floyd Patterson lost every single time he foght top-level competition...unless you count Ingo, Chuvalo, Oscar Bonavena, and an aged Mongoose moving up from lthvy as 'top level'. That seems to be the big complaints against Gatti's opponents...past primes, moving up/down in weight, B-level. Aside from the lack of competition and losses to better fighters (Gatti did at least get out of the first round with Mayweather & Baldomir, Floyd was blown out by Liston in his own prime) they also have being very exciting/popular in common...they combine for 6 Ring Fights of the Year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2006 I'm sorry. I just can't see Gatti as a Hall of Famer. You can't get him in by comparing his credentials to the worst Hall of Famers, and even then, Gatti never beat anyone on the level of Archie Moore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted July 27, 2006 How about a Rocky Graziano comparison? I think that's a lot closer in terms of his popularity and never really beating anybody. Graziano topped who? "Bummy" Davis? Tony Zale? Robinson smoked him after Rocky got a lucky shot in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JustPassinBy Report post Posted July 27, 2006 Just to alert everyone: Allan Green is the next star of boxing. He's got it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2006 Rocky Graziano is probably the most comparable HoFer to Gatti...right down to the epic trilogy. Gatti is far more deserving of HoF status than Floyd Patterson...and, if that Archie Moore win is why he's in there - Would Gatti be in for sure if he beat a comebacking Pernell Whitaker or Erik Morales moving up to welterweight? Seriously, Moore was very aged, a career lthvy, and had just gotten kod by Rocky...just because he had a legendary career at a lower weight class doesnt mean that Floyd beating him late in his career at heavy means anything. Is Trevor Berbick a boxing icon for beating Ali? Allen Green is alright...plenty powerful...but Donnie McCrary exposed his chin. Why he's brought up in this thread, I dont know, but it seems like a fitting contribution from justpassinby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lei Tong 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2006 How were the two wins over Tracy Harris Patterson not big wins? A pair of JD's against a guy whose best wins were at two weight classes lower? Were you born in Jersey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
