Things that bothered you in great matches..

[Naked Snake 0]

Angle/Michaels at WrestleMania. Angle had Michaels in the anklelock on one ankle and then for the finish he put the ankle lock on the other ankle. I think it would have been more gutsier if Angle had Michaels in the original damaged ankle and Shawn was trying not to tap and finally did...

 

Still a great match though.

[Aero 0]

Angle vs. Michaels from WM...

 

The Angle Slam into the ring post: HBK's back doesn't hit, his leg does. It wasn't noticeable until the replay.

 

Rock vs. Angle from No Way Out 01...

 

I don't know if I'd consider the match to be GREAT, but it's good enough. The Big Show walk-in was completely pointless. It's not like it even lead to a feud for the next PPV.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

My only problem with Angle / Michaels is that it took FOREVER for HBK to tap out. I mean yeah its usual to stall long, but that was ridiculous.

 

HBK / Y2J - WM XIX, great match, but I HATE out of nowhere finishes.

 

Speaking of which, I was always disappointed by HHH / HBK on the final RAW of 2003. Great, long match (considering their feud was boring as hell) for the title in HBK's hometown, then they go for a dusty finish. LAME!

[World's Worst Man 0]

"I've heard that as well. I don't think it's playing off the previous match per se, as much as it's just a gimmick to use in the later stages of a match to cue a comeback. "

 

Which is why Misawa only used it against Kawada. Of course it's their version of the traditional face comeback but I don't think it's ever been done that well.

 

Again, you ignore that Misawa blocked the kicks before coming back anyway.

 

"Whatever convoluted reasoning someone wants to come up with (I don't mean you), "

 

I don't think Misawa simply being far superior is convoluted, it's fairly straightforward and the basis for their entire fued.

 

I just watched that part of the match again. It wasn't nearly as bad as I remembered. I think I was looking too hard to find something wrong with the match. I'll probably never be a fan of a wrestler shrugging off moves to transition (I just think there are better ways), but it wasn't badly done here.

 

I still don't think Misawa being superior applies in that match though, because Kawada seemed to be the better man on that night, and only lost because he failed to capitalize on his chances well enough, and then Misawa busted out his super finisher. But that's neither here nor there I guess. Misawa was definitely Kawada's "better" in the grand scheme of things though.

[Guest sebbeh65]

Regarding the Heenan/Hogan/Bash comments: In Heenan's book (forgot which one) he talks about it, and says that he had no clue that Hogan was going to turn, and he just said what he said based on his "feud" with him, not that he was telling the fans what was going to happen. I think he told that in his RF shoot as well, if I remember correctly.

[TheInsane 0]

Angle/Michaels - WrestleMania. Awesome match but I disliked the finish. I didnt recognize that Angle used the "wrong ankle" but I thought HBK took to long to tap out. Half would have been enough. They lost me in the last few seconds of the match.

 

I also agree on the Heenan comments before the Hogan turn at the Bash. It ruined what could have been perfect (but was executed very well anyway).

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

Regarding the Heenan/Hogan/Bash comments: In Heenan's book (forgot which one) he talks about it, and says that he had no clue that Hogan was going to turn, and he just said what he said based on his "feud" with him, not that he was telling the fans what was going to happen. I think he told that in his RF shoot as well, if I remember correctly.

 

 

Awesome. So Heenan confirmed what I was saying all through this thread.

[Jericholic82 0]

re: Heenan- It should make sense for him or anyone to say that. Cuz throughout the show they kept saying they had no idea who the 3rd guy is, he could be anybody in the building, Heenan even said he could be sitting right here. Mean Gene did do a backstage promo listening at the door of the outsiders dressing room and said he heard a "familar voice" but it wa smuffled and hard to tell.

 

The only problem with JD 2000 IM, is that Takers timing was off, he took too long getting in the ring, and the clock actually ran out before he tombstoned HHH, the tombstone happened after the buzzer rang, and michaels acted like he was asking taker not to do it. Later on in the post match interview (on the wwf hv tape I have), HBK says he got up after getting knocked down and saw taker inthe ring therby the dq but he didnt call it till after the time was out. But I guess since he was the ref, he could make that decision.

 

 

too bad cuz the match was great and built well to that frantic finish.

 

Oh and in the intros to the match the Fink goofs and calls HHH the World Wrestling Federation Champion

 

 

shows interference in Rock-Angle was kind of puzzling, but it made sense at the time cuz he hated Rock (and also cuz rock thew him out of the rumble match) and wanted a title shot.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

"I just watched that part of the match again. It wasn't nearly as bad as I remembered. I think I was looking too hard to find something wrong with the match. I'll probably never be a fan of a wrestler shrugging off moves to transition (I just think there are better ways), but it wasn't badly done here."

 

Cool.

 

 

"I still don't think Misawa being superior applies in that match though, because Kawada seemed to be the better man on that night, and only lost because he failed to capitalize on his chances well enough, and then Misawa busted out his super finisher. "

 

Eh....Kawada was never even close to being Misawa's equal on any night, let alone the better man. They created the impression that Kawada essentially wrestled the perfect match, stretched Misawa's injury as far as he could go, only to still fail to put him away and find himself in serious peril. When the slate is wiped clean at the end of the match and they seemingly have even ground....Misawa comes out on top yet again.

 

It's pretty apparent Kawada is fucked and had nothing left to give before the Super Finisher, of course he was still resisting. It's not exactly Funk dropping Jumbo's throat on the ropes because he was in danger of losing. Misawa dropped the big one because he had to find a way to keep him down for good but it's obvious he has full control.

 

Of course were led to believe a third Powerbomb might have been the answer but Kawada doesn't have it in him to hit it. He even smartly follows it up by trying the Stretch Plum and after getting as much as he possibly can out of it, Misawa survives, comes back and puts in him serious peril.

[The Mountie 0]

Hart vs Piper. Two of my favourite guys ever. Great match. LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG three count.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Shawn saw Taker chokeslam Triple H in the Iron Man match. It made perfect sense. The announcer's even brought that up "He got the chokeslam in before time expired."

[King Cucaracha 0]

Hogan vs. Orndorff from SNME.

 

The two escaping the Cage at the same time was a neat finish, even if it always seemed a little dubious. But at least leave a little vagueness to it. To say they landed at the exact same millisecond was a little far-fetched.

[Jericholic82 0]

Shawn saw Taker chokeslam Triple H in the Iron Man match. It made perfect sense. The announcer's even brought that up "He got the chokeslam in before time expired."

right, but shawn didnt ge tback into the ring untill he was about to tombstone him. its kind of confusing but it still does make some sense youre right. But it seemed like the finish was supposed to be the dq after the tombstone, bu tnot enough time was left on the clock, although it might have been a controversy on purpose

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

It always seemed weird to me the way Kandori crumples after Hokuto's punch at the beginning of the match, but I guess getting punched in the face really hard will do that to you. And it does foreshadow the finish, in a way. And it's still the greatest match of all time.

[Special K 0]

It always seemed weird to me the way Kandori crumples after Hokuto's punch at the beginning of the match, but I guess getting punched in the face really hard will do that to you. And it does foreshadow the finish, in a way. And it's still the greatest match of all time.

 

I actually like it, as it's more like she caught Kandori completely off-guard. Plus it gives the crowd a little something to pop for before Hokuto's destruction begins.

 

 

Oh, and of course the finish to Fujinami Maeda.

 

If you haven't seen it, it's a tremendous match, Maeda being dominant for the majority of it. Then Maeda just smacks Fujinami with a kick in the corner, busting Fujinami open hardway, and he's just bleeding all over the place.

 

So they improvise a double spin-kick finish, with a double KO. It looks just OK, and really doesn't make sense, as Maeda's been dominating Fujinami, and has clearly just knocked him for a fucking loop.

 

Of course, it's a great ending for having to come up with it on the fly, and the visual of Fujinami bleeding like crazy from a hard kick is pretty stunning, but I wish we could have seen the Fujinami comeback, and the finish as it was intended (anyone know what that would have been?) since the match was just stunning up to that point.

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

I've read that it was supposed to be a time limit draw, but Fujinami's injury forced them to improvise the double KO.