The New Congress

[SuperJerk]

I never thought I'd say this, but John Boehner makes me miss Newt Gingrich.

[snuffbox]

Why do so many Republicans keep saying 'Islamist Jihadist'? Is 'Islamist' even a word?

[Art Sandusky]

It's sort of redundant anyway.

[SuperJerk]

Why do so many Republicans keep saying 'Islamist Jihadist'? Is 'Islamist' even a word?

Slightly less stupid expression than the ever-moronic "Islamo-fascist" they were test marketing last year.

 

I swear, every year they come up with a new name to call our enemies. Its like this war is being fought by a P.R. firm or something.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

Islamist is a real word. It refers to someone who wants a government based on Islam.

[snuffbox]

I see.

[2GOLD]

The real question is Jihadist a word? I know Jihad is, but is a Jihadist someone who wants to carry out a jihad no matter what?

[SuperJerk]

Both are words, but I just don't like the way one noun ("Islamist") is being used to modify another noun ("Jihadist").

Adjectives are our friends.

[Guest Oedipus Rex]

But lots of nouns function as adjectives, like tin can, or Republican senator. It's just the cadence and common suffix of "Islamist jihadist" that makes it clunky.

[Guest Dope Priest Prophecy]

How about "Islamic"?

[Guest Oedipus Rex]

But then you lose Islamist, which is the part that denotes belief in a Muslim theocracy. All jihadists would be Islamic by definition, since as far as I know, jihad pertains exclusively to Islam, similar to the redundancy in "Christian crusader."

 

Once in 8th grade social studies, this girl was getting pissy and defensive and went "well crucify me to a cross! Jeeeesus!" to which I pointed out that being crucified by definition necessitates a cross, and furthermore, I don't think Jesus would crucify you like you just asked him to. I wasn't explicitly banned from it, but seven years later, I'm playing it safe and not going to her mom's McDonald's.

[SuperJerk]

I'm not sure if that's what "Islamist" actually means.

[Dobbs 3K]

I believe "Islamic Jihadist" would be more correct than "Islamist Jihadist".

[EricMM]

Come on you guys.

 

Cease.

 

Lets talk about The New Congress.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

Main Entry: Is·lam·ism

Pronunciation: is-'lä-"mi-z&m, iz-, -'la-; 'iz-l&-

Function: noun

a popular reform movement advocating the reordering of government and society in accordance with laws prescribed by Islam

- Is·lam·ist /-mist/ noun

[SuperJerk]

Nobody wants to tackle the term "Islamo"? Because, seriously, that sounds like the name of one of Skeletor's henchmen.

[Dobbs 3K]

Nobody wants to tackle the term "Islamo"? Because, seriously, that sounds like the name of one of Skeletor's henchmen.

 

Well, "Islamofacsism" is a popular term with at least one conservative radio host.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

...and the President.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

I don't get the "Islamofascism" term because fascism usually connotes an emphasis on the STATE over everything. The crazy folk coming out of Southwest Asia seem to be more theocratic than fascistic. I even heard someone use the term Islamonazism which makes even less sense.

[SuperJerk]

Yeah, see my post from earlier if you want to know what I think about him doing that.

[Dobbs 3K]

I don't get the "Islamofascism" term because fascism usually connotes an emphasis on the STATE over everything. The crazy folk coming out of Southwest Asia seem to be more theocratic than fascistic. I even heard someone use the term Islamonaziism which makes even less sense.

 

I could see that maybe being used in a historical context. During World War II, a lot of Muslims worked with the Nazis.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

I'm not going to argue that Islamic Fundamentalism & Nazism don't share some core values, like authoritarianism, militarism, & anti-liberalism (not to mention anti-Semitism), but the parallel doesn't go much further than that.

[SuperJerk]

I'm not going to argue that Islamic Fundamentalism & Nazism don't share some core values, like authoritarianism, militarism, & anti-liberalism (not to mention anti-Semitism), but the parallel doesn't go much further than that.

The most obvious major difference was that fascism was a purely secular movement. Everything was done for the glorification of the state. Islamic extremism goes in the complete opposite direction, because the state is only seen as a tool to impose their religious views.

[snuffbox]

Anyone else actually watching the debate?

[Big Ol' Smitty]

I just flipped it on.

 

Snow days rule~!

[Big Ol' Smitty]

Didn't realize so many R Congressmen are against the surge.

[snuffbox]

Looks like at least a few Republicans were paying attention in November & noticed what mindless toadying can get you.

[snuffbox]

This could end up being pretty embarassing for both the White House & the people who offered nothing but the exact same talking point rhetoric in their speeches.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

Wow, snuffy. You're totally right about Ron Paul. At least as far as this issue goes.

[snuffbox]

Ron Paul bringing the libertarian aspect back to conservatism.

 

Edit - 2 nerds typing at the same time!