The Truthiness 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 MY god, Jearan is fucking terrific. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Obi Chris Kenobi 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 I'd say the problem is when you sign them and don't use them to put over your own talent. This isn't 1994-2000 anymore, any star power that Hall/Nash/Booker T/Christian and possibly even Kurt Angle bring to the table is minimal at best. You don't turn your best drawers into jobbers! They're not "minimal" either because, unlike what some goth boys claim, they're not WWE rejects. They're taking all the BEST wrestlers out of WWE! Do you think anyone care about Triple H and Batista? I don't! I wasn't an Angle fan when he was in WWE, FAR from it, but then it's like he was re-created in TNA and he's incredibly good. He's a 1-man sitcom. Cancel "king of queens" and put Angle in it and you have a winner. That ppv might have been the most shocking WCW Saturday Night or WCW Pro if that's what it would have been, but it was a ppv. And what a PPV it was! PPV-Of-The-Year Aww, I thin you've just jumped the shark with your gimmick. You're trying too hard now, where as before you seemed pretty natural at being the Uber TNA Mark. Shame, it was pretty funny while it lasted I'll still buy your merchandise though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jearan Report post Posted December 3, 2007 pwtorch.com Great info and great management of the situation by TNA. I like the contract part. Like they say in the administration business, you judge a good administrator not on how well his business runs, but how well he fixes problems when they arise. A good administrator is a problem-solver. They had an effective & quick solution to put things back on track. I even like how Joe/Nash shoved each other after the match in the back to relieve the tension between the two. Can't wait for the next iMPACT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 Way to be professional Joe. If it was WWE, his ass would have been fired right now. If it was WWE, they wouldn't have put Scott Hall in the main event of the PPV. Not only that, they wouldn't have given a live mic to someone who was pissed off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jearan Report post Posted December 3, 2007 Aww, I thin you've just jumped the shark with your gimmick. You're trying too hard now, where as before you seemed pretty natural at being the Uber TNA Mark Remember i was still under shock from what had happened... words just flew out of my mouth... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Scientist 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 A "suspence" we haven't seen since Nash no-showed that one match against Chris Sabin. He had a bad case of jobberitis, as I recall. Or since the Tennessee Titans attorney was all like "Hey guys, Pacman can't wrestle". Or Let me tell you something, goth boy. I replayed the main event that happened yesterday and i could barely watch it again - almost 24 hours later - because it was STILL tension-filled. In the Hall shoot interview, he says that the WCW in 95 was mic-based and that if people weren't good on the mic, they'd bury them. In an incredible twist of event, he was buried the same way with Samoa Joe... and, up to a point, who knows how it affected / will affect Nash. You can hear someone in the crowd yell "don't let him talk to you that way Nash!!!" and who knew what Nash was thinking at that point... because... in the old WCW days, that could end up with baseball bats in the locker room!!! You can downplay the most SHOCKING event in professional wrestling in 2007 all you want, I KNOW WHAT I SAW !!! You know you only need to use one exclamation point to show emphasis or exclamatory emotion, right? I don't doubt it was a shocking development for TNA. A no-show by a booked main-eventer is always shocking for a PPV. However, given Hall's past, did TNA have any reasonable right to be surprised by this event, and shouldn't they have had a backup plan in place? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 Way to be professional Joe. If it was WWE, his ass would have been fired right now. If it was WWE, they wouldn't have put Scott Hall in the main event of the PPV. No, they'd feud the known alcoholic with the guy who's gimmick is drinking beer... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted December 3, 2007 Hey yo, let me have a taste of that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 Way to be professional Joe. If it was WWE, his ass would have been fired right now. If it was WWE, they wouldn't have put Scott Hall in the main event of the PPV. No, they'd feud the known alcoholic with the guy who's gimmick is drinking beer... At least they had the good sense to put Hall's match in the midcard rather than actually put him in a main event program. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Obi Chris Kenobi 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 Aww, I thin you've just jumped the shark with your gimmick. You're trying too hard now, where as before you seemed pretty natural at being the Uber TNA Mark Remember i was still under shock from what had happened... words just flew out of my mouth... Maybe you should lay down on Dr. Nash's coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacques 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 Way to be professional Joe. If it was WWE, his ass would have been fired right now. If it was WWE, they wouldn't have put Scott Hall in the main event of the PPV. Who cares that Hall no showed? The match quality increased tenfolds with Eric Young filling in for him. The fact of the matter is that Joe was told to say a few specific things and he went on and on and on about backstage shit nobody cares about(as confirmed by the response of the crowd). And when Nash called him on his bullshit he pussed out like the bitch he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Scientist 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 I'd say the problem is when you sign them and don't use them to put over your own talent. This isn't 1994-2000 anymore, any star power that Hall/Nash/Booker T/Christian and possibly even Kurt Angle bring to the table is minimal at best. You don't turn your best drawers into jobbers! They're not "minimal" either because, unlike what some goth boys claim, they're not WWE rejects. They're taking all the BEST wrestlers out of WWE! Do you think anyone care about Triple H and Batista? I don't! I wasn't an Angle fan when he was in WWE, FAR from it, but then it's like he was re-created in TNA and he's incredibly good. He's a 1-man sitcom. Cancel "king of queens" and put Angle in it and you have a winner. That ppv might have been the most shocking WCW Saturday Night or WCW Pro if that's what it would have been, but it was a ppv. And what a PPV it was! PPV-Of-The-Year Look, I can't stand HHH or Batista either, but you can't deny those two guys are superior draws to Booker, Angle, or Christian. You're letting your personal dislike of them, or your opinion of the work product, color your view of the fact that people tune in and crowds pop big for those guys. Booker, Christian, and Angle are certainly good workers, but not on the draw level of a Batista, HHH, or Cena. It's more a function of general charisma and sustained push than in-ring ability. You use older talent to put over younger talent, so you have a sustainable business model. Otherwise, your younger guys are never credible at all when your old guys retire. Certainly you don't have your young turks squash your more established guys, but the young guys need to be able to win matches against the older guys to get any kind of heat going. Having Angle squash someone like an AJ Styles or Senshi or Petey Williams is great for Angle, but what happens to the company when your old guys like Angle get hurt, retire, or are sent to prison for drug charges? You're left with a roster full of people that you've made look like crap, whom you are now forced to sell as main event caliber. You do see the problem that sort of booking creates? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luke-o 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 You do realise he's a gimmick right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Scientist 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 You do realise he's a gimmick right? That doesn't mean I can resist my natural tendency to be an argumentative bastard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 This is one of the best threads on the site since the Raw in mid 2002 where Nash tore his quad. Note that this thread also involves Nash. Can't say I'm shocked about Senshi quitting. To be honest his run in TNA this time hasn't been all that impressive, unlike his original awesome 2002-03 run when he was Lo Ki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jearan Report post Posted December 3, 2007 Look, I can't stand HHH or Batista either, but you can't deny those two guys are superior draws to Booker, Angle, or Christian. I deny. The only way you can say WWE rejects like HHH and Batista are superior draws is if you totally misuse the other wrestlers. They did so with Angle (i thought he was horrible in WWE), same with "King Bookah"... and probably all the others... They're technically better drawers in WWE, for now, because their intrinsic drawing is added to the organisation's drawing. Everyone knows about the machine that is WWE. But intrinsic drawing, Angle is better. That doesn't mean I can resist my natural tendency to be an argumentative bastard. Good because i'm here to talk about wrestling, not to talk about myself! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted December 3, 2007 Can someone ban this troll? It's not funny anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrVenkman PhD 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 By now he's obviously a gimmick, but there's some PPV feedback on WO.com that made me think it was from Jearan. It was so damned positive. There was also some feedback that caused enough of a "stir" that Meltzer let the bastard write his own rebuttal. Scott Batura all over again, but instead of the actual wrestler he critcised getting mad, it's a bunch of fans. Speaking of WO, what the hell is this comment from the WO report of the show supposed to mean: "Reign did a promo saying, "I don't like spiders and snakes, but that ain't what it takes to love me, like I wanna be loved by you." Yes, JBL is booking the company writing Michael Hayes' interviews while thinking it's still 1975." First off, I have no idea what Reign is even saying here. Second, why is JBL booking TNA? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Kamala 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 Can someone ban this troll? It's not funny anymore. Seconded, after accusing us of being paid spies and calling us goth boys, his posts have gone downhill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jearan Report post Posted December 3, 2007 By now he's obviously a gimmick, but there's some PPV feedback on WO.com that made me think it was from Jearan. It was so damned positive. Link? Maybe i'll go there instead of this goth forum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrVenkman PhD 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2007 http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/f...t.asp?aID=21481 T.N.A. Turning Point 2007 Resounding thumbs up!!!!! Best Match: Three-way tie-Kurt Angle, A.J. Styles and Tomko vs. Samoa Joe, Kevin Nash and Eric Young; Christian Cage and Robert Roode vs. Booker T and Kaz; Gail Kim vs. Awesome Kong; Worst Match-Feast Or Fire, only because of the rip-off on the advertised stipulations. Dave- I know, I've always given a resounding thumbs up to every TNA pay-per-view I've ever written about in your feedback section, but that's because although I follow WWE and am a wrestling lifer, the TNA product is such a refreshing change from the WWE's product. Needless to say, tonight's "Turning Point" was no exception! This show epitomized the way pro wrestling should be!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2007 Look, I can't stand HHH or Batista either, but you can't deny those two guys are superior draws to Booker, Angle, or Christian. I deny. The only way you can say WWE rejects like HHH and Batista are superior draws is if you totally misuse the other wrestlers. They did so with Angle (i thought he was horrible in WWE), same with "King Bookah"... and probably all the others... Can you be a "WWE reject" if WWE's never fired you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jearan Report post Posted December 4, 2007 This show epitomized the way pro wrestling should be!!! I chuckled when i read this but let's think about it for a moment. There's reason to be realistically positive about this PPV. The card made sense: we had the lower-card events that exist to build up the upper-card events and they did just that; there was a GREAT upper-card event in the Booker T match and the main event EXPLODED like we were used to in the Hulk Hogan days. Regardless of how you see it, the explosion - earthquake - was there. I called it a 8 on the richter scale. Isn't this the epitomy of pro-wrestling? Also... because of Hall's professional suicide that we witnessed... i think it's appropriate to play the Razor Ramon theme: http://www.zshare.net/audio/5333889bc33904/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jearan Report post Posted December 4, 2007 Can you be a "WWE reject" if WWE's never fired you? No-one cared to hire them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. S£im Citrus 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2007 Because they both have jobs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eiker_ir 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2007 here's the promo for anyone who missed it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2007 The best part was Nash's "Oh, fuck off" reaction and Angle's confusion. Giving the microphone to Joe was a mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Chaos 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2007 The best part was Nash's "Oh, fuck off" reaction and Angle's confusion. Giving the microphone to Joe was a mistake. Well, it has got everyone talking. Heck, they might even shift a few more replay buys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2007 The best part was Nash's "Oh, fuck off" reaction and Angle's confusion. Giving the microphone to Joe was a mistake. Well, it has got everyone talking. Heck, they might even shift a few more replay buys. Except anyone who would know something strange went down at the PPV would simply check the promo out online for free and save their money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2007 It wasn't even strange. It was textbook shit that keeps TNA the #2 promotion (and losing ground at that as well). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
