The NFL All-Time Draft

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Man, VX, you're just wrong. My O-line is amazing.

 

He also said I neglected my secondary when I used three early picks on them. Other than missing out on Johnny Robinson it went pretty much exactly how I wanted it to. Bailey & Renfro are two of the best corners ever and Lynch kills people.

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

How much time do they get?

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

How much time do they get?

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

They've had plenty. Been busy. Let me count.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

NEXT ROUND!

EHME

Vitamin X

 

CanadianChris

909

 

Kahran Ramsus

Bored

 

TheOriginalOrangeGoblin

Gert T

 

Vote.

[CanadianChris 0]

I'll try and give explanations later, but I'm going to forget to do this if I don't do it now...

 

Vitamin X

Kahran Ramsus

Gert T

[MFer 0]

Pretty disappointed in how my team finished. Not saying I had the best team, but I thought it was too good to lose in the 1st round like that. Maybe it was just a bad matchup or something. I'll get my votes in later today.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

I'm just glad I got more than 1 vote for my team in Round 1... for a while there I thought I'd get shut out. I'll do my writeups/voting later.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

VX - Too much firepower here on both sides of the ball.

 

909 - The one big difference here is Barry Sanders, but I don't think he will be enough going up against that defence led by Nitschke. Montana is a big upgrade over Starr as well, as much as it pains me to say it.

 

Gert T - Goblin has Unitas, but Gert T has a two-headed monster at RB and the best receiving corps of any team in the tournament. I'd also give the edge to Gert on defence. That his team is coached by Paul Brown is just a bonus.

[Smartly Pretty 0]

I still get to vote, right?

 

VX

909

Bored

Gert

[Guest Vitamin X]

I'll edit this post later.

 

909

Kahran Ramsus

TheOriginalOrangeGoblin

[Just John 0]

I can't believe I lost to a fucking coin toss. Oh well, I guess I hung in there better than I thought I would once I saw it was Montana vs. Brady. I knew that was going to be an instant decision-maker for at least a couple people.

 

EHME

Vitamin X

 

EHME probably has the most underrated team left. Brown/Watters should be able to wear down VX's D-Line, plus McNabb's mobility is a valuable asset in buying time to get receivers open. And neither WR here will be intimidated by any secondary. There's major QB choke potential on both sides, so that's a wash. EHME has the more reliable ground game, and that's the deciding factor.

 

CanadianChris

909

 

Ugh, the guy who beat me vs. the guy who voted me out via coin toss. Actually, 909's team is very good, and there's not too much shame in losing to him. CC's speed defense will get him nowhere against the power running of Campbell and Alstott. 909's O-Line will be up to the task on the pass rush, and the weakest part of his team (secondary) probably won't be exposed here.

 

Kahran Ramsus

Bored

 

Close match, but the running game and QB situation both favor KR.

 

TheOriginalOrangeGoblin

Gert T

 

OOG's speed defense is the best possible matchup here, but Gert's offense is easily the best in the tourney. I don't like OOG's squad to be able to put up more points than Gert, or stop him on a potential game-winning drive.

[MFer 0]

VX over EHME-A much better D and a dynamic backfield gives him the edge, even against Jim Brown.

 

909 over CC-CC has more big play ability on offense but I think 909’s WCO with Montana plus a power running game can score just as much plus his D is better IMO. Special teams should be interesting in this one.

 

Kahran over Bored-Of course I could just be a dick and vote for Bored but I think Kahran’s team is a little better. Both D’s are great but I’m feeling Kahran’s offense more with Tarkenton and Payton behind a monster O-line.

 

Gert over TOOG-Gert offense is just too formidable here, especially with 2 great RB’s sharing the carries. I thought there were other QB’s that Gert could’ve went with instead of Dawson, but it’s hard to complain about a Hall of Famer.

[Bored 0]

Aww I'm gonna lose.

 

Vitamin X - I didn't pick EHME to advance in the first round but I did pick VX so this was an easy choice.

 

909 - CC's secondary issues catch up to him here as Montana will pick them apart.

 

Gert T - Same reason as the VX pick.

[CanadianChris 0]

Let the record show that I fully expected to get trounced here. I'm not certain I would've voted for my own team.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

Vitamin X

 

909

 

Kahran Ramsus

 

Gert T

 

Reasons later.

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

Wow, I'm getting murdered. Didn't really expect that.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

EHME - Has really adept speed at RB and WR and Donovan McNabb can scramble well. Not sure if I see Vitamin X's defense keeping up and dealing with the sheer force of Jim Brown after the speed of Ricky Watters. I also think EHME has a really well set up defense getting a rush from Peppers & Page while stopping the run with Ted Washigton, Joyner, and Banks.

 

909 - People forget Barry Sanders lost yards (notorious for that too) and that defense will just slaughter him. I'd predict 20 yards if he were lucky. I also like the size of his defense to match up against Sharpe and Monk while the offense can just rely on Campbell and Alstott as bulldozers.

 

Kahran Ramsus - Really tough match. The power combo of Payton/Taylor coupled with the speed of Smith will challenge Bored's defense (even with LT and Sam Mills). Also Fran Tarkenton as scrambler will defuse some of the blitzing/stunting from the D. I also like his secondary to stop Moss & Carmichael leaving Sanders as the main threat and leaving the DL/LBs to generate pressure and keep Moore in for protection.

 

TheOriginalOrangeGoblin - Really strong team with a quick pass rush (Freeney) and an underrated team to stop the run game. The pass game isn't the strongest on the receiver side of things but Franco can help add punishment to guys like McMichael and Lanier. Not sure the speed of Thomas/O.J. can beat out the sheer power of OOG's defense.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

People forget Barry Sanders lost yards (notorious for that too) and that defense will just slaughter him. I'd predict 20 yards if he were lucky.

 

Sad, but true. As good as Sanders was, my first image of him is the -1 Yards he had in the playoffs against Green Bay.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I guess I should've drafted more "name" linebackers. Are people freakin' serious? Walter Peyton said, without hesitation, the hardest hit he ever received in the NFL was from Randy Gradishar and he was the cornerstone of that Orange Crush defense. Ricky Watters is decent, but he's not THAT good, even his best season is fairly average by today's standards- 1411 yards (4.0 YPC) and 13 TD's- one of only 3 seasons he broke double digits in touchdowns, btw. And he only played 16 game seasons, too. Garrison Hearst had a better peak than that (well, half as many TD's but you get the point). Now his defense I can't argue with since it was the main reason I voted for him in the first round, but I think having Faulk and Centers- both adequate weapons running, blocking, and receiving the ball themselves- would present more problems than Jim Brown and *snicker* Donovan fucking McNabb.

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

EHME vs Vitamin X

- Very tough match-up here. For something like this, I actually Faulk better than Brown since Faulk is a much more diverse back and is probably the best dual threat ever. Favre/McNabb is a wash to me since I don't like Favre and, truly, feel that McNabb, in his prime, is one of the most talented quarterbacks ever. He's just had shit luck with teammates and injuries. Both teams have a solid recieving core but I like EHME's O-line better. Basically, both teams will score lots. This won't be a defensive struggle. At the end of the day, it will come down to who can make the big play and that's where my previous speech about Faulk comes into play. Faulk would be the difference, VX would win 30-27.Vitamin X

 

CanadianChris vs 909

- 909's offense would destroy CC's defense. CC would stay close for a bit but I think 909 would run away with it and his defense would keep CC from catching up making the final 31-13. 909

 

Kahran Rasmus vs Bored

- Kahran's defense would smother Bored's offense. LT and the boys would keep it close but Payton would grind away yards and Smith would catch a long bomb and Kahran wins 17-9. Kahran Rasmus

[HarleyQuinn 0]

I guess I should've drafted more "name" linebackers. Are people freakin' serious? Walter Peyton said, without hesitation, the hardest hit he ever received in the NFL was from Randy Gradishar and he was the cornerstone of that Orange Crush defense. Ricky Watters is decent, but he's not THAT good, even his best season is fairly average by today's standards- 1411 yards (4.0 YPC) and 13 TD's- one of only 3 seasons he broke double digits in touchdowns, btw. And he only played 16 game seasons, too. Garrison Hearst had a better peak than that (well, half as many TD's but you get the point). Now his defense I can't argue with since it was the main reason I voted for him in the first round, but I think having Faulk and Centers- both adequate weapons running, blocking, and receiving the ball themselves- would present more problems than Jim Brown and *snicker* Donovan fucking McNabb.

 

In my voting, I pictured Watters as a COP back to come in on 3rd down because he's an underrated blocker and a solid enough receiver (three seasons of 60+ catches and had back to back seasons with 9.7 YPR). I liked Larry Centers but come on, VX... he completely pales to Watters as a runner (LC topped 70+ carries in only 4 seasons) and his YPR was atrocious more often than not around 7.3-7.7. Watters displayed durability as a runner and was a consistent threat to get 8+ yards per catch.

 

Jim Brown & Faulk are essentially a wash. Jim Brown was incredibly underrated as a receiver (Peak getting 40+ catches and 11.0 or 11.2 yards per catch) and Watters would offset Brown's woeful blocking ability on 3rd downs. If you look at just the yard per carry and yard per catch, they essentially are equal.

 

As for McNabb, people forget how good he can be when given enough weapons. In 2000 he had 25 TD vs. 12 INT with 629 yards rushing (7.3 YPC). In 2004 he had 31 TD vs. 8 INT with a 5.4 YPC.

 

As for the quote... keep in mind that every team has a "star" studded defense and even the best defenses have given up points and yards. The fact that he has a very good defense as do you essentially washed out leaving me to compare the offenses. Just so happened I preferred his.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Well, as a runner, no of course LC won't compare to Watters because Centers is a fullback and Watters is a halfback. But Watters isn't nearly as good a blocker as Centers for that same reason and you could compare Watters and Centers equally as a receiver, Watters better as a yardage/straight receiving threat, which I already have in Faulk, and Centers was a guy to make a catch and get the first down.

 

And McNabb is okay, but there's probably better picks out there that went undrafted. He's no Favre.

 

And Harley, I think my comment about the defense would basically imply that he would have a very, very difficult time against my defense. Irvin and Ward are taken care of by my secondary, obv., and Wesley Walls is completely useless against Ted Hendricks, who could also blitz the shit out of that line if he had to. Kevin Greene and Randy Gradishar would light Jim Brown the fuck up, and McNabb would be too busy puking on the sideline in the 4th after getting knocked around by those guys all day. Of course, I guess that's probably neutralized by the 3 interceptions Favre would throw and set him up in good field position.

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

EHME

 

909

 

Kahran Ramsus

 

Gert T

 

Reasons later.

 

Note first I've changed my pick on the first game, after thinking about it more.

 

Reasons:

 

VX has an offense that will go for big plays. He'd be an idiot not to! Favre can get the ball deeper than, well, nearly anybody, he has a smaller mobile line, and a fast slashy running game. The thing is, I think EHME's team is built well to stop that. Big, strong, aggressive D-ends. A meatpile like Ted Washington that will demand multiple blockers. EHME's linebackers are also good enough to get after the quick backfield receivers sideline-to-sideline. On the other side of the ball, it would be tough to get going against VX's defense, but Jim Brown tucking a shoulder behind big tackles like Pace and Brown is the best thing to take the gas out of a swarmy hard-hitting 3-4. Another thing is, I think EHME's line is strong enough to handle the majority of VX's pass rush. One last factor: basically, I'm looking at EHME's secondary, and thinking..Farve would blow it. EHME wins this one based on how he matches up. Same reason I picked against him in the first round.

 

909 wins this round based on how he matches up, too. Barry Sanders was amazing, but he couldn't get squirrelly against the defenses in this draft, period. He'd lose a lot of yards in a situation where negative plays mean everything. Viva power running.

 

Kahran's balance and skill on his lines is amazing. I'll probably picking him over everybody except one or maybe two other teams. He has great players in every scenario, great special teams, and great coaching.

 

I can't get enough of Gert's skill positions. There's no way I'm going to be convinced Franco was better than OJ. Rice is the best football player I've ever seen. Ellard had a quietly amazing career, and Thurman played in four straight superbowls. Witten might be the best TE in the league right now. His line's terrific, and he also had the stones to wait and see on a QB, and ended up with Len Dawson! Three AFL championships and a Superbowl. That's sick. Plus, Paul Brown vs Dungy? Sorry TOOG. I like your defense more, but his offense has some huge, huge weapons.

 

 

 

I'd also like to note that JustJohn was robbed. He took the offensive scheme of the three time superbowl winning Cowboys and married it to a better QB and arguably better skills players behind a friggin' gigantic offensive line. No weaknesses on defense. I think he had the best team.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

909 - Tough pick, but I feel 909 has a better defense.

 

Kahran Ramsus - More well rounded team

 

Gert T - I feel Goblin has a better offense, but Gert's defense is way better.

[Just John 0]

I'd also like to note that JustJohn was robbed. He took the offensive scheme of the three time superbowl winning Cowboys and married it to a better QB and arguably better skills players behind a friggin' gigantic offensive line. No weaknesses on defense. I think he had the best team.

 

Ha, thanks. I'm glad someone really understood my team at least. Makes for good consolation after getting the boot in the first round. Like I said, though, just looking at the names in the QB spot, I knew I was in big trouble with that draw. Despite Brady and Montana having comparable numbers, most people hate Tom and his hype (some of it including the "next Montana" label) while Joe is already burned into most people's minds as the greatest QB ever (not that he doesn't make a good case for it). I'm sure I would've won a sim game in that match, but I probably should've taken a different QB in retrospect to win a popularity vote.

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

I still can't believe how bad I'm getting killed.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I'd like to point out that if 909 isn't at least in the championship round, it would be a travesty. I'd have a tough time making an argument for my team being better than his.

[MFer 0]

I wish we could've did the sim thing as well. Any know why whatifsports doesn't use individual defensive players for football?

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

I'd imagine sacks and tackles not being an official statistic until relatively recently is a factor. I'm not really sure how that site works, though, so that's just a guess.