The College Football Thread 11/25 - 11/29

[Damaramu 0]

Yeah...because you know, all those other times OU went into a BCS game as the "hot team" they just totally destroyed their oppon...

 

 

..oh wait. No...

 

Sorry Dama, if anything hurts OU its voters gun-shy at putting OU into another big game only to have them fall hard.

 

Yeah but the fact that they're ahead in both the coaches and harris poll by a decent margin means that the voters would have to pull some form of highway robbery if OU wins and somehow Texas goes back ahead of them in the polls. But, I don't think there's enough voters to put them ahead far enough to nullify the hop in the computers OU will get with a win on the road at No. 12 OSU.

 

I'm not mad at you or anything Broward and I'm not trying to argue with you. Just the Texas fans with those signs and the fact that Herbstreit and the rest of ESPN are campaigning for Texas is really getting under my skin.

[Broward83 0]

..as far as ESPN trying to sway people for Texas, I'm torn.

 

One hand, its great because its a form of validation to finally have ESPN pull for us and talk about how we deserve to get the nod..

 

..on the other, its fucking ESPN deciding that now is the time to jump on the bandwagon and blow UT and shove them down the Nation's throat.

 

The fans? Meh..its college football..fans getting involved and lobbying for their team is awesome.

[Slayer 0]

Nice to see we've managed to pull Dama II, Texas style (smothered in gravy)

[RepoMan 0]

So, according to Deadspin, Cuse is -22 at Cincy, despite winning at Notre Dame last week. I would expect the Orange to still loss in the double diggets, but that spread is retarded.

 

I know no one else cares, but congrats to Julian Edleman for single handily beating Buffalo in his last game as a Kent State Golden Flash. If only KSU could get some decent specail teams, they'd at least make a crappy bowl and I could die happy.

[Hawk 34 0]

So, according to Deadspin, Cuse is -22 at Cincy, despite winning at Notre Dame last week. I would expect the Orange to still loss in the double diggets, but that spread is retarded.

 

I know no one else cares, but congrats to Julian Edleman for single handily beating Buffalo in his last game as a Kent State Golden Flash. If only KSU could get some decent specail teams, they'd at least make a crappy bowl and I could die happy.

 

Beating ND isn't that huge of a deal that they would be taken seriously. UC might be sleeping today since they have nothing to play for.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

I'd take Cincy at -22. Syracuse got a lucky win over a terrible team and now they're good? They get embarrassed almost every week. Cincy has "nothing" to play for but are still a much better team and they'll go up 28-7 in a hurry, I reckon.

 

I just laughed at this epic fail from Gameday

 

BALL STATE

 

Notable Win: At Indiana

 

Yeah really. Make Ball State's resume look worse than it is, jackasses.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Corso just put on a horse head and mumbled for 30 seconds about "Boomer Sooner." It was remarkable.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

Finally, some decent 12:00 games. Georgia Tech at Georgia and Virginia at Virginia Tech. Then the big games at 3:30, for me anyways, and then Oklahoma at Oklahoma State at 8. One of the better college football days of the year!

[Damaramu 0]

Wow, just wow. ESPN Radio has been one huge Texas lovefest all morning.

 

They keep saying "Head to head is the only thing that matters! Texas!" Well umm....yes it matters in a 2-way tie, not a 3-way tie. But fine head to head matters. Texas beat OU. Tech beat Texas. OU beat Tech. One huge circle if we go off head to head! Why don't these fucking idiots get that?

 

Of course they've been going on all morning about how head to head is so important then they go "If OU loses to OSU then Texas Tech, NOT Texas, go to the Big XII title game. Is this fair?"

 

WHAT!? You just spent the whole morning talking about how important head to head is and then you throw it out because you want Texas over Tech!?!?!?!

 

It's pretty obvious ESPN is cheerleading for Texas HARD after hearing that.

 

 

I'm wondering. Iggy said if OU wins they're pretty much in no matter what because of the computer rankings. And then Brad Edwards from ESPN confirmed that and said there's basically no way Texas goes if OU wins.

 

What I'm wondering is, if a massive amount of voters switch their vote from OU to Texas (because OU is 2 in both polls) but OU gets the computer boost, would Texas move ahead in the BCS? Or is the computer rankings enough for OU?

 

You wouldn't think a massive amount of voters would change their mind, but I get this funny feeling that the way ESPN has cheerleaded all week will put Texas at No. 2 in both polls. Hopefully the voters aren't that dumb and aren't so easily swayed by ESPN's burn-orange loving ways, but it's possible.

 

And I'm wondering if it's a company wide mandate for everyone at ESPN to keep bringing up the Texas beat OU argument to try and get Texas in. I mean surely everyone at the network isn't stupid enough to forget it's a 3-way tie.

 

So how many voters will it take to put Texas ahead in the BCS? And will ESPN sway enough this week?

 

 

Oh yeah more stupidity from ESPN. Bruce Feldman said basically that if OU had played a close game with Tech then they'd probably deserve to go ahead of Texas. But because they killed Tech so easily then that means Tech has no credibility and the win isn't as impressive. WHAT!?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

You know, I'm rooting for Auburn to upset Alabama here. Then for Alabama to upset Florida in the SEC title game. Also possibly Oklahoma State upsetting Oklahoma, though I'd like for USC to play Oklahoma in the bowl, not Texas, for obvious reasons.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Sly Croom has resigned at Mississippi State. We'll always have 3-2, Sylvester.

 

Also, Virginia CB Vic Hall has been in at QB this afternoon, and is Wildcatting the fuck out of Virginia Tech with two TDs. 14-7 at the half. I hate Al Groh for putting Hall, the #1 high school QB in Virginia football history, at CB his first three years, but I guess that's what you get when you're 5'7".

[Psycho Penguin 0]

Boise State-Ball State bowl game gaining steam

 

November 26, 2008 5:43 PM

 

Posted by ESPN.com's Graham Watson

 

After Ball State beat Western Michigan on Tuesday to cap a 12-0 regular season, the wheels of the bowl machine started turning. With both Ball State and Boise State a game away from perfect seasons, the desire to match those teams in a bowl game is growing greater.

 

"This is my perspective and certainly with full communication with all of our schools, but if there's an undefeated Boise nationally ranked and an undefeated Ball State nationally ranked, then I think we should talk about, can that game happen in a way that makes sense?" Mid-American Conference commissioner Rick Chryst said.

 

What makes sense is to have the game at a neutral spot, but both Boise State and Ball State will be the most coveted teams by their respective conference's bowl partners.

 

A story in Tuesday's Fresno Bee said the Humanitarian Bowl in Boise would be interested in hosting the game should both teams stay undefeated, but the Humanitarian Bowl currently has a contract with the ACC. Right now, the team that would travel to Boise to likely play the hometown Broncos is 6-5 Wake Forest.

 

But the agreement between the Humanitarian Bowl and the ACC is set to expire next season and according to the Bee, the contract could be cut short this year.

 

"The bowl and the ACC have had a partnership for seven years now," Kevin McDonald, the bowl's executive director, told the Fresno Bee. "And we don't want to hurt them anymore than they would want to hurt us. We'd try to help each other.

 

"If things fall into place, there is a chance this game may happen."

 

But Chryst said he doesn't think the game is going to happen in Boise because of the Broncos decided home-field advantage. The Broncos are 63-3 in the past 10 seasons at Broncos Stadium, which is the second-best home record in the country.

 

But a place the game could end up, if several scenarios happen, is the Motor City Bowl if Ohio State goes to the BCS, or the Independence Bowl if Colorado loses to Nebraska and Auburn loses to Alabama.

 

For all this to work, of course, Boise State has to both be an at-large team and be released by its conference tie-ins. The best way to make this happen would be for Nevada to beat Louisiana Tech, and Hawaii win one of its last two games giving the WAC five teams with 7-5 or better records and thus satisfying the bowl tie-ins with high-level teams.

 

This isn't the first time the MAC has arranged a game between two top teams from different conferences. In 1999, Marshall was in a similar position as Ball State and the Mountain West had tri-champions with only two bowl tie-ins. The Thundering Herd went on to play BYU in the Motor City Bowl.

 

"Our three bowl partners are our first consideration to try to create as good of matchups as possible in those three games," Chryst said. "We got clarity last night and I think we'll get more clarity this weekend as it relates to the BCS projections and what that might mean for the Motor City Bowl. The five commissioners are talking, both in a structured way and one-on-one, so because we like each other so much we'll keep talking like that and see how things work out."

 

There we go. That's the bowl matchup I want to see.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Too bad it's not really a game where the winner comes out of it looking super credible. It should be a hell of a game to watch though.

[Celtic Guardian 0]

Boise State-Ball State bowl game gaining steam

 

But the agreement between the Humanitarian Bowl and the ACC is set to expire next season and according to the Bee, the contract could be cut short this year.

 

"The bowl and the ACC have had a partnership for seven years now," Kevin McDonald, the bowl's executive director, told the Fresno Bee. "And we don't want to hurt them anymore than they would want to hurt us. We'd try to help each other.

 

"If things fall into place, there is a chance this game may happen."

 

Assuming Clemson holds on against South Carolina, the ACC will have anywhere from 9 to 11 eligible bowl teams. The ACC wouldn't then want its bowl allotment reduced to 8 spots.

[Damaramu 0]

ESPN's campaigning for Texas is getting so bad I almost want OU to lose tonight so:

 

A) I don't have to suffer through watching ESPN convince enough voters to put Texas ahead in the BCS. Then I'll know ESPN's opinion controls the sports world and there is not shot for anything in the future they disagree with.

 

and

 

B) Tech goes ahead to the Big XII title game and I get to listen to the Longhorns whine about how unfair the system is because they're higher in the BCS and it's not fair because they lost to Tech on the last play of the game. Then I get to listen to them become hypocritical and try to throw head to head out.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

Am I the only one sick of Texas and Oklahoma? Damn, OU still has 1 (or potentially 2) games left.

 

Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech beating their rivals right now. Good!

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

ESPN's campaigning for Texas is getting so bad I almost want OU to lose tonight so:

 

A) I don't have to suffer through watching ESPN convince enough voters to put Texas ahead in the BCS. Then I'll know ESPN's opinion controls the sports world and there is not shot for anything in the future they disagree with.

 

and

 

B) Tech goes ahead to the Big XII title game and I get to listen to the Longhorns whine about how unfair the system is because they're higher in the BCS and it's not fair because they lost to Tech on the last play of the game. Then I get to listen to them become hypocritical and try to throw head to head out.

 

The whole debate is becoming so obnoxious to listen to because so many of the arguments are completely illogical and self-contradictory (such as the whole "head-to-head matters for OU/UT but not for "UT/TT" nonsense). Against my better judgment (which would be to simply wait until at least today's games are completed, to see how the dominoes fall) I will make a few comments about this:

 

1. No, a playoff would not solve anything here (since this seems to be the immediate refrain whenever any complex situation shows up in college football). Someone has to win the Big 12 South and play in the conference championship game. Assuming today's games go as expected, this winner cannot be determined by records, or by the head-to-head tiebreaker. So there simply has to be a less-than-satisfactory, guaranteed-to-cause-controversy method to break the tie, and the BCS rankings don't seem to be any worse or better than whatever else might get used (points differential, strength of schedule, AP poll, away record, whatever). Short of playing a 3-way UT/OU/TT game on a triangular field, a winner must be determined by some numerical method.

 

2. Someone will undoubtedly say "but if there was a playoff then both teams could get in so there wouldn't be any problem". This assumes that any such playoff would include at-large teams, and whoever misses out would be one of said at-large teams. Moreover, it would actually punish whoever finishes first by requiring them to play an extra game against a good team just to qualify while the "loser" gets to sit back and wait with their spot secure, which is just as illogical as anything that will happen this year.

 

3. I've said this several times and so I'm probably sounding like a broken record, but this just goes back to the stupidity of artificially breaking the conference into divisions, and having "division winners". By all means, have a conference championship game. But just pick the two best teams in the conference to participate in it.

[MFer 0]

Goddammit Virginia. I was hoping to see the ACC become more of a clusterfuck as well as get 11 bowl-eligible teams. After all this madness, we're just one game away from a BC/VT rematch in the title game. Oh well.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

Armanti Edwards = Beast! 433 yards passing and 4 TD as App State advances on their road to Championship #4 in a row.

[Celtic Guardian 0]

Am I the only one sick of Texas and Oklahoma? Damn, OU still has 1 (or potentially 2) games left.

 

Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech beating their rivals right now. Good!

 

Georgia Tech proves itself the best ACC team just in time for Virginia Tech to knock it out of title contention... and ten ACC teams will qualify for bowls. Jeez.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Goddammit Virginia. I was hoping to see the ACC become more of a clusterfuck as well as get 11 bowl-eligible teams. After all this madness, we're just one game away from a BC/VT rematch in the title game. Oh well.

Total facepalm here. This team has been on the edge of contending all year, and just let game after game slip away. Why you call a downfield pass when you only need 8 yards and are in field goal range to tie the game boggles my mind. Unfortunately, while the rest of the ACC takes on new coaches and improves, UVA will stick with Al Groh pretty much forever, I think. He's one of the safest coaches in college football no matter what his teams do. I think the best UVA can hope for right now is Groh's kid Mike to resign as offensive coordinator. If I never have to see another roll-out underneath route to a tight end on 3rd and 8, I'll be a mildly happier man.

 

Disappointing to see GT miss the division by a nose, but I expect they'll win it next year.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

In the big news of the day, Syracuse lost by 20. lol

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

NC State is about to beat Miami and give the ACC yet another bowl eligible team.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Remember when people thought it meant nothing to beat Virginia when USC did it? Yeah...

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

This Kansas-Missouri game is insane.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

Remember when people thought it meant nothing to beat Virginia when USC did it? Yeah...

 

It's not a very impressive thing to do, no. Virginia is 5-7. Only reason it mattered for VT is because they are going to the ACC title now. Virginia just was playing for bowl eligiblity.

[Damaramu 0]

The whole debate is becoming so obnoxious to listen to because so many of the arguments are completely illogical and self-contradictory (such as the whole "head-to-head matters for OU/UT but not for "UT/TT" nonsense). Against my better judgment (which would be to simply wait until at least today's games are completed, to see how the dominoes fall) I will make a few comments about this:

 

Do you think ESPN can convince enough voters to change their vote to Texas? Even if OU wins by 40. Because ESPN is saying that result doesn't matter. So I'm wondering if they can influence enough voters to move OU down from 2 in the polls and Texas up to 2.

[Damaramu 0]

Of course the rankings probably won't mean shit in the Big XII south race because Texas Tech is busy playing like crap against Baylor and doing everything possible to give the Big XII South to Texas.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

The whole debate is becoming so obnoxious to listen to because so many of the arguments are completely illogical and self-contradictory (such as the whole "head-to-head matters for OU/UT but not for "UT/TT" nonsense). Against my better judgment (which would be to simply wait until at least today's games are completed, to see how the dominoes fall) I will make a few comments about this:

 

Do you think ESPN can convince enough voters to change their vote to Texas? Even if OU wins by 40. Because ESPN is saying that result doesn't matter. So I'm wondering if they can influence enough voters to move OU down from 2 in the polls and Texas up to 2.

 

I think you give ESPN way too much credit here. They aren't as important as they think they are.

[Slayer 0]

Just saw the footage of the last minute win by KU over Mizzou, fuckin' Tigers