Why should rvd get a main event push?

[Guest Whatmaniac]

While many people seem to think that Rob Van Dam is worthy of a main event push, I do not agree.  His last few matches at a main event or semi-main event level have had numerous blown spots.   He also has some of the worst ring psychology this side of Sabu.  In his ladder match from Monday, Eddie Guerrero spent the first few minutes of the match working over RVD's leg.  RVD stopped selling the leg almost immediately.  Also, his punches look about as dangerous as being hit in the head with a marshmellow. This type of sloppiness is totally unacceptable in a WWF main event.  You don't see Steve Austin blowing spots right and left nor do you see Triple H throwing awful-looking punches now do you? Frankly, I fail to see why everyone is calling for this guy to be pushed.  Just because Eddie and Undertaker have carried him to good matches in the past does not mean that he is a good worker.  

 

On a semi-related note, doesn't pushing RVD hurt locker room morale?  It seems to send a message that it does not matter how hard you work to improve when one of the sloppiest workers on the roster, who has very little in the way of wrestling skills but does have a well deserved reputation for injuring people gets pushed to the moon.  I really think RVD should have been sent to OVW for retraining before going to the WWF proper.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Why? He's over. He's fresh. He's new (sort of). He's not Hogan/Taker/HHH. RVD is capable of having a great match, if with the right person. It's not so much we want ROB to get the title. It's just we want someone ELSE to be pushed up the ladder. Stale is the key word here. New people maybe the cure for that. I personally want some new blood to freshen things up.

 

Taker? Carry a match?...bwahahahahahaha!

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I don't see any reason to take him off TV cos he's pretty much RAW's main draw and they need him. He isn't ready for main events yet, but he has improved hugely since he came to the WWF and provided he continues, he'll be ready sooner or later.

[Guest]

so RVD shouldn't be in the ME because he's not the best worker?

 

then how do you explain undertaker and hogan?

 

the bottom line is that the fans like him and want him to be in the ME, simple as that.

[Guest]

How can Austin or Triple H "blow a spot?" It's pretty much all Kick/Punch/Stunner/Pedigree, these days.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

That's Bull FearHaVoc!  They both do incredible spinebusters!!!

 

I like Austin/HHH/Taker/Angle, etc. But I feel as if Booker, Rob and Edge at the top would be refreshing and nice.

 

Go back and watch RVD/Rock's matches, RVD/Austin, RVD and Angle's matches, they're spectacular.  Sure some of his work over the last few months hasn't been top teir but going from Austin/Rock/Angle to Goldust/Regal is a big difference.

[Guest]

Ya your right. The WWE/F never has any sloppy ME guys. I mean thats why we see guys like Hogan and Taker go out every week and proform beautiful matches and great chokeslams...:-/...if yous say so

[Guest wolverine]

While many people seem to think that Rob Van Dam is worthy of a main event push, I do not agree.  His last few matches at a main event or semi-main event level have had numerous blown spots.   He also has some of the worst ring psychology this side of Sabu.  In his ladder match from Monday, Eddie Guerrero spent the first few minutes of the match working over RVD's leg.  RVD stopped selling the leg almost immediately.  Also, his punches look about as dangerous as being hit in the head with a marshmellow. This type of sloppiness is totally unacceptable in a WWF main event.  You don't see Steve Austin blowing spots right and left nor do you see Triple H throwing awful-looking punches now do you? Frankly, I fail to see why everyone is calling for this guy to be pushed.  Just because Eddie and Undertaker have carried him to good matches in the past does not mean that he is a good worker.  

 

On a semi-related note, doesn't pushing RVD hurt locker room morale?  It seems to send a message that it does not matter how hard you work to improve when one of the sloppiest workers on the roster, who has very little in the way of wrestling skills but does have a well deserved reputation for injuring people gets pushed to the moon.  I really think RVD should have been sent to OVW for retraining before going to the WWF proper.

I agree with everything you said, except I wouldn't have mentioned HHH, because he sucks too.

[Guest]

Also, his punches look about as dangerous as being hit in the head with a marshmellow.

 

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nor do you see Triple H throwing awful-looking punches now do you?

Isn't it funny that the only good thing that one can say about Triple H, is about his "realistic" looking punches. After all, wrestling is all about punches. Uh-huh. Yeah.

[Guest Some Guy]

I agree that RVD's puches are terrible, almost Sid-like in their badness, but Austin's aren't exactly great either and neigher are Rock's.  You know what the simple solution to this problem is?  Don't make the guy throw any punches, his forearms are good enough to compensate.

 

RVD is the best thing going for Raw right now, he's over, his work is good when he's motivated or in there with a good worker  (Austin, Eddy, Rock), and he's still pretty fresh.  I think he and Booker should get a strong push up to the Main Event within the year and they should have Taker either retire or start putting younger guys over.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Was that post made by Vince himself?

 

Seriously...that kind of business sense...AMAZING!

[Guest goodhelmet]

No shit. look at it this way. The seeds were set for three compelling matchups where at least two of the "new blood" could be elevated without blinking...

 

We could have had

RVD-Taker (who else besides RVD has Taker had a good match with this year and the Flair match was not good. Watch it again)

Austin-Eddy(Eddy wins with interference from Benoit. Another rematch at the July ppv with Austin going over. Benoit and Austin meet at Summerslam. It books itself)

Edge-HHH (If Edge lost, it wouldn't hurt him as much as the other two matches I mentioned)

 

Instead of gewtting new compelling matches even with the dinosaurs, we get the same old tired crap. If you don't understand that then keep accepting the company line and watching a stale product in the title picture. HHH wins the belt blah blah blah. Been there done that and he can only hide behind superior workers for so long before he is even more exposed as a hack!

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

The WWE doesn't push great workers.  They push guys that can sell T-shirts, or guys that fuck the boss's daughter or any other booker for that matter.  

 

Personally, I think RVD should stick to the upper mid card, with the IC title. Have him fued with guys like Lance Storm, Hurricane, Tajiri, Kidman, Christian, Edge, and you got a pretty decent midcard.

 

He may be over, but has no business in Main Event at this point in his career.

[Guest cabbageboy]

UT carried RVD to some good matches huh?  That statement alone makes this thread a complete joke.

[Guest Ripper]

Can somebody please explain how is rob a sloppy worker?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"On a semi-related note, doesn't pushing RVD hurt locker room morale?  It seems to send a message that it does not matter how hard you work to improve when one of the sloppiest workers on the roster, who has very little in the way of wrestling skills but does have a well deserved reputation for injuring people gets pushed to the moon.  I really think RVD should have been sent to OVW for retraining before going to the WWF proper. "

 

Here's the part that gets me.

 

IMO RVD is the most improved guy on the roster.  Look at his matches when he came in then watch them now.  Ok...first take your head out of your ass now try again.

 

Its funny that you mention Austin and HHH because I don't know if there are 2 wrestlers who have dropped off so much.  HHH since his return and Austin since No Way Out....HORRIBLE!

 

Taker carries no one...Don't be stupid.

 

And since you seem to ignore the fact that the most boring workers in the company right now have main evented the last 2 ppvs and again at KOTR...I'll also add that RVD has been in the company for almost a year now.  And hes still over.  Despite start and stop pushes...no mic time and until Eddy, virtually nothing that even closely resembles an actual feud...thats incredible.

 

OVW?  ha.  If he went there I wonder if they could out draw Smackdown and Raw....hmmm....Now I actually do wonder.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"He may be over, but has no business in Main Event at this point in his career. "

 

What does this mean?

 

I'm not attacking I'm just curious.

 

He's been in the business longer than HHH.  So I don't think its an age thing.

[Guest Whatmaniac]

For the record, I really don't approve of Hogan even having a job in the WWF, let alone main-eventing.  Taker is good as an occasional main event but he really should not have been given the title.  

 

Now as to the arguments for RVD main-eventing (paraphrasing from some of the responses):

 

1."He is the best thing on Raw right now"

 

This is more an indictment of the sorry state of Raw than an endorsement of RVD.  If and when, more talented individuals are added to the roster, that rationale will be totally moot.

 

2."RVD is over right now"

 

So what, Hulk Hogan and Bubba Ray Dudley are over too and no one is asking for them to be main eventing.

 

3."He is fresh and new"

 

And no one else on RAW is?  Is freshness adequate grounds for any kind of push in and of itself?

 

4."The current main-eventers don't blow spots because they use simple manuevers"

 

Yet they constantly put on high quality matches.  If you don't believe me, check out Scott Kieth's past rants.  Virtually every PPV and TV main event was in the 4-5 star range before the NWO showed up.  Besides, my point is that these guys don't fall victim to the same clumsiness that aflicts spot artists like RVD.

 

5."RVD has had great matches with Angle, Rock, and other main-eventers in the past"

 

Well, I should hope so!  If you can't have a good match with these guys, who can you have a good match with?  I think that the main-eventer made RVD look better than he really is.  

 

 

 

 

In closing, I would just like to say that while I like the elevation of new stars in the WWF, I just think that there are a number of workers on the roster who are more talented and more deserving of a push than RVD.  Wouldn't you people like to see Lance Storm, Test, Christian and X-Pac with better pushes?

[Guest]

I am not a big RVd fan either but the point is: The majoirty goes over the minoirty and the majority says that RVD should be in the ME scene. Simple as that.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

".  Wouldn't you people like to see Lance Storm, Test, Christian and X-Pac with better pushes? "

 

 

NO and I'll tell you why.

 

First of all Test can't get heat to stick if he lights himself on fire before every match...so take him off right away.  and XPAc?  you know...as this thread continues I learn more and more about how you could have these opinions.  

 

 

What is the difference between RVD and these people?

 

RVD is beleivable in a main event role...they are not.  even.   close.

 

 

I'm going to restate this for you...THE WWE DOES NOT PUSH BASED ON TALENT.

 

Where have you been?  HHH Taker and Hogan have dominated the title picture since MAnia.  

 

 

And if you really want to know why RVD deserves it here are a few reasons off the top if my head.

 

1.  The fans want it (and that should matter)

 

2.  He has at least watchable matches with everyone (including Test...oof)

 

3.  He has been used frequently before the split as the main sales point of the B house shows (where the main events are RVD vs. Tazz or something).  So the WWE can see fit to make money off of him but not reward him with a main event push.

 

4.  And this wil be the last one I do for now...but it is the most important.  He has the inate ability to draw fans into his matches from start to finish.  Very few people have that.  (Austin and Rock come to mind).

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Whatamaniac pretty much stated my point (despite disecting my post). RVD is just the most over mid-carder right now, and the closest to any kind of real push. I'm just rooting for some new blood in the ME. Yes, even Test will do. Sad, I know.

 

X-pac? He's already a main event guy. *wink wink*

[Guest goodhelmet]

IF HHH had RVD's pop, his ability to carry Taker to a watchable match, or even his talent I wouldn't be complaining about him BUT he doesn't.

 

If RVD is just a high midcarder, HHH should be curtain jerking on Heat!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

TESTIFY!!!!!

[Guest Nater]

I think time will show that RVD is worth Main Eventing..

 

it has been stated that he will add more moves to his repetoire and no doubt raise the value of the matches he is in. he doesnt fit with the whole punch/kick/finisher style that the WWE IS STUCK IN, thats why people like him.

 

Eddy/RVD ladder was simply the best match in recent history outside of PPV. And thats some propaganda you can suck on.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

What interests me a little is the report that the observer made after Backlash that the WWE had chosen to give Edge the next push and not RVD because Edge had a better match with Angle at Backlash.

 

Because IMO Eddy vs. RVD at Judgment Day was better than Angle vs. Edge 2 (and upon watching that Edge match again...it doesn't really hold up...there were some big rest spots and the match was nowhere near as good as their first one)

 

So that would make them tied.

 

And Eddy vs. RVD ladder match from Raw ruled...so we'll see what Edge and Angle do in the cage.

 

If its not as good...shouldn't RVD go back to the top of the list?

 

Especially given the fact that the fans make his matches among the hottest in the company right now?  (probably second after Austin).

[Guest Brian]

I think that Eddie did better than Angle with their given time at BackLash considering Eddie had less time to work with, but you must also figure that the WWF is also thinking that Eddie is a much better worker than Angle and more seasoned.

 

"it has been stated that he will add more moves to his repetoire"

 

He doesn't need to. That's part of how he got such a bad rap.

 

"he doesnt fit with the whole punch/kick/finisher style that the WWE IS STUCK IN, thats why people like him."

 

I actually beg to differ. RVD's style, just like Tajiri, grew into the WWF style. It's just that RVD is doing flashier moves with generally weaker looking strikes. And if you notice, he's basically working the same style as everyone else. The only two people who seem to be totally out of the norm are Guerrero and Benoit, plus Austin when he's not out of it. RVD was out of the norm when he first showed up but after he toned things down, he's basically the same.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I think the WWE is higher on Edge because he is more marketable. Edge has the good looks and nice proportional build that they like. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do some movies if he starts getting bigger (he's already done one part, a small role in a Highlander movie). I'm not sure about age and/or injury concerns, I'd have to look at the situation more closely.

[Guest Whatmaniac]

IF HHH had RVD's pop, his ability to carry Taker to a watchable match, or even his talent I wouldn't be complaining about him BUT he doesn't.

HHH already has good heat and he has carried Undertaker to very good matches in the past.  If you have watched recent episodes of Smackdown, you would have seen that HHH has improved considerably since he came back.  

 

If RVD is just a high midcarder, HHH should be curtain jerking on Heat!

 

If he still were having bad matches, he probably would be curtain jerking heat eventually.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"HHH already has good heat and he has carried Undertaker to very good matches in the past.  If you have watched recent episodes of Smackdown, you would have seen that HHH has improved considerably since he came back."

 

 

Hey...if ** matches with Taker when HHH used to be good float your boat...whatever.

 

We've all watched Smackdown.  We're all still not impressed.

 

"If RVD is just a high midcarder, HHH should be curtain jerking on Heat!

 

If he still were having bad matches, he probably would be curtain jerking heat eventually. "

 

 

He is still having bad matches.  Unless the match involves Jericho.

 

And he would not be curtain jerking heat.  Hes practicaly family.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I think the Wwf is higher on Edge because he wasn't in ECW.

 

Wwf has a history of pushing 'their' boys before any one else... Edge is no exception.  The ghost of Vinny Roo haunts the halls of Titan towers.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like Edge and stuff, but his character has yet to evolve to a ME-level guy... or even a upper-card guy...