Another 9/11 conspiracy..

[Guest webmasterofwrestlegame]

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf

 

Thought others may like to watch it. Not sure what to think after watching it - but the most powerful fact in it was that picture of the pentagon and those small neat holes - sure seemed like a plane could not do that.

[Guest Bad Brad Jacobs]

i thought it was interesting but i coldnt figure out: what was the creator trying to make us think happened instead of a terrorist attack?

 

 

i couldnt tell

[Superstring]

That part where it showed a film of the plane hitting the building threw me, it does look quite small. Other than that I'm not buying into it.

[Red Baron]

He's telling most people, what most people allready know.

 

A Boeing 757 did not attack the Pentagon.

[Styles]

He's telling most people, what most people allready know.

 

A Boeing 757 did not attack the Pentagon.

Care to elaborate?

[2GOLD]

He's telling most people, what most people allready know.

 

A Boeing 757 did not attack the Pentagon.

Care to elaborate?

 

It was attacked by giant Gophers with machine guns who are a specially trained SEAL unit designed by the US military to take over New Jersey.

 

You gotta watch more CNN

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America]

It was a 767, not a 757

 

 

 

Note: I don't know that for sure.

[iliketurtles]

Well there's been theories that there were bombs set off inside of the Pentagon...and this video was saying that it was a missle, not an aircraft that flew into the Pentagon.

 

It is kind of weird there was no debris of the plane.

[Dobbs 3K]

Yeah, there was no plane...tell that to the relatives of the people who died in the crash.

[Vyce]

Yeah, there was no plane...tell that to the relatives of the people who died in the crash.

Damn you and your logic!

 

DAMN YOU!

[Styles]

Exactly, it's like people who deny the Holocaust. Well, gee, where exactly did all those people GO? Let's say the government DID fire a missile into the pentagon (God knows why, especially since there doesn't seem to be any denying the Boeings being flown into the WTC, but let's go with it), where exactly did that flight with all those people on it, some of whom called on cell phones to say what was happening GO TO? Have they been abducted to a secret government run island, like in The Prisoner?

 

Where am I?

 

In The Village....

[CBright7831]

^^^

LOL

 

It is kind of weird how there was no debris or silhouettes onthe ground though.

[Vyce]

Have they been abducted to a secret government run island, like in The Prisoner?

What do you want?

 

Information....

 

Well, you won't get it!

 

By hook or by crook, WE WILL.

[Jericholic82]

well my dad had a theory the day of 9/11 that the plane in PA was shot down by the US to prevent it from ramming the white house. but it was just a theory lol

 

 

conspracies are all around us

[Guest MikeSC]

well my dad had a theory the day of 9/11 that the plane in PA was shot down by the US to prevent it from ramming the white house. but it was just a theory lol

 

 

conspracies are all around us

Too bad the audio tapes from the PA plane disprove that theory real quickly.

 

As for no plane hitting the Pentagon, that'd probably shock Ted Olson, whose wife called from that very flight.

-=Mike

[Jericholic82]

well my dad had a theory the day of 9/11 that the plane in PA was shot down by the US to prevent it from ramming the white house.  but it was just a theory lol

 

 

conspracies are all around us

Too bad the audio tapes from the PA plane disprove that theory real quickly.

 

As for no plane hitting the Pentagon, that'd probably shock Ted Olson, whose wife called from that very flight.

-=Mike

like I said, this was the day of the attacks, so the audio tape had not come out yet

although even those wouldnt fully dissprove it if you think about it (we dont know what happened on the plane, we assume from the tapes that a bunch of passengers bum rushed the cockpit and caused it to crash right?)

 

but I dont want to be a conspiracy person

so I'll stop discussing that lol

[Guest Cerebus]

Edit: Screw it. You morons can believe whatever you want, even if it was some crackpot theory cooked up by a slack-jawed Frenchman.

[Guest MikeSC]

Edit: Screw it. You morons can believe whatever you want, even if it was some crackpot theory cooked up by a slack-jawed Frenchman.

Agreed. If people want to find conspiracies where none exist, allow them.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously]

It's not hard to believe that it's really really tough to hurt the Pentagon.

 

Is there a specific reason why all this Pentagon .swf stuff is coming out now?

[Guest MikeSC]

It's not hard to believe that it's really really tough to hurt the Pentagon.

 

Is there a specific reason why all this Pentagon .swf stuff is coming out now?

It's not. You're on the internet where conspiracy goofs tend to congregate regardless.

-=Mike

...Who's waiting to see how seriously the press treats Kitty Kelley...

[snuffbox]

I find this 'theory' very hard to swallow...

 

Im in agreeance with those here who offer the 'what happened to those on the plane?' thought.

 

But can somebody, one with knowledge of aircraft or explosions, debunk this theory? I dont believe it, but would appreciate reasons for the lack of debris and other facets of the theory video...

[Guest MikeSC]

I find this 'theory' very hard to swallow...

 

Im in agreeance with those here who offer the 'what happened to those on the plane?' thought.

 

But can somebody, one with knowledge of aircraft or explosions, debunk this theory? I dont believe it, but would appreciate reasons for the lack of debris and other facets of the theory video...

What's to debunk? The hole in the Pentagon was HUGE. We KNOW that no gov't planes had arrived there. We KNOW no missiles were fired (no way the gov't could keep it quiet). We KNOW the plane went down and everybody inside was dead.

-=Mike

[Rob E Dangerously]

It's not hard to believe that it's really really tough to hurt the Pentagon.

 

Is there a specific reason why all this Pentagon .swf stuff is coming out now?

It's not. You're on the internet where conspiracy goofs tend to congregate regardless.

-=Mike

...Who's waiting to see how seriously the press treats Kitty Kelley...

If claiming Ronald Reagan and Mike Wallace had a sexual affair doesn't kill most of your credibility, nothing will.

 

I wouldn't get too worried over a Kitty Kelley book.

 

And yeah, it's the fucking Pentagon, what do expect it to do? collapse? It's like a treestump!

 

I had heard of the Pentagon theory before, but it seems like it's getting mentioned more in the last few weeks as opposed to the last 3 years.

[snuffbox]

Right, I agree...

 

Just looking for some info on the debris, or lack thereof...seriously, I dont even know how accurate those photos and videos are...Id just like to know where the airplane went.

 

I find it just as hard to believe that the airplane evaporated as I do that there were missiles involved...

[Stephen Joseph]

I've several friends in the DC area who were outside their buildings and heard/saw the plane hit.

 

It hit.

 

Why isn't there alot?

 

Planes crashing cause big booms. Lots of fire.

It also...kinda...went into a building?

 

Not very hard for me to believe at all.

 

Jeezus, we all SAW the planes hit the towers. An alumni I knew died in that. Anyone proferring up conspiracy theories such as the one above can just ...

 

I'm not saying it. This stuff pisses me off.

[The Metal Maniac]

I was actually discussing this last night with some idiot.

 

When he was unable to explain what DID hit the Pentagon, or where the 757 went, it became quite clear this is less of a conspiracy theory then it is a "hey, let's just claim crazy stuff happened to make the US look bad!"

 

Also, as to the "no debris" bit...I dunno about you, but I'd wager that if a plane crashed into a building, the building would COLLAPSE ON IT, thus hiding the plane wreckage under the building wreckage.

[Guest Anglesault]

Jeezus, we all SAW the planes hit the towers.

Silly you, that was a trick perpetrated on you by the media.

 

An alumni I knew died in that.

 

Two of my friends lost their fathers.

 

I personally find all this conspiracy shit very offensive.

[Guest Doyo]

What's to debunk? The hole in the Pentagon was HUGE.

 

HUGE eh?

 

Below is the impact hole into which they say the plane, wings, engines and tail went. Wingspan is 125 feet and the height with tail is 44 feet. The plane didn't come in straight, but at around a 45 degree angle to the wall. This would make it even harder for the wings, engines and tail to get sucked through the punch hole. Look at all the unbroken windows.

 

 

 

 

 

People such as retired US Army Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre says it was a tomahawk cruise missile that hit the Pentagon and that Flight 77 went down over Monongahela National Forest in Elkins, West Virginia.

 

tomahawk cruise missile

 

Lon Rains, Editor, Space News: "I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane."

http://www.space.com/news/rains_september11-1.html

 

Steve Patterson, Pentagon City resident: "The plane was about 150 yards away, approaching from the west about 20 feet off the ground, Patterson said. He said the plane, which sounded like the high-pitched squeal of a fighter jet, flew over Arlington cemetary so low that he thought it was going to land on I-395. He said it was flying so fast that he couldn't read any writing on the side. The plane, which appeared to hold about eight to 12 people, headed straight for the Pentagon"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro...p01/attack.html

 

Michael DiPaula 41, project coordinator Pentagon Renovation Team: "It sounded like a missile."

http://www.sunspot.net/search/bal-archive-1990.htmlstory

 

Tom Seibert, Pentagon network engineer: "We heard what sounded like a missile, then we heard a loud boom..."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0...50486%2C00.html

 

Khavkin, D. S.: "At first, we thought it was the jets that sometimes fly overhead. However, it appeared to be a small commercial aircraft..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_p...000/1540586.stm

 

Mike Walter, eyewitness: "I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went right there and slammed into the Pentagon." http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/attack.in.their.words/

 

The witness reports are pretty varied and go from stuff like above to people who say they could see faces in the plane as it went by. The object was travelling at around 450 mph, so I doubt too many are really 100% sure.

 

Of course the most likely thing was a plane hit the Pentagon, but the

government refuses to release any of the videos that would clearly show

whatever hit the Pentagon. The theories aren't going to go away unless

they release these videos.

[Styles]

People such as retired US Army Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre says it was a tomahawk cruise missile that hit the Pentagon and that Flight 77 went down over Monongahela National Forest in Elkins, West Virginia.

Well, gee, if this was all a conspiracy it sure seems unnecesarry for that plane to be hijacked then. I mean, if the government was just gonna shoot a damn missle at the pentagon, it sure was heartless to have that plane hijacked and then downed in some remote area. Did those people really have to die for this plan to work? And if the plane was going to be hijacked as part of this plot, then why not just fly into the Pentagon, just like the other 2 were flown into the WTC? Boy, George W really is evil....

[Guest Doyo]

Who said anything about Bush? Instead of just looking at facts people try and turn everything into some weird political debate. If terrorists had somehow found a way to shoot a missile into the Pentagon, do you really think the government would want the people to know that?