HVilleThugg

Thanks Mark...now let me comment on what you've said. I think we should break this functionality out into phases. Some of it is rather complicated, and could take months to implement. I'd like to take some of that and make it phase 1 development, and then take the rest and roll it into a second phase. That way, we can roll out the new design and layout in a month or so, and then add the more complex functionality later. So, here's what I think about each point you made... Phase 1. Definitely...this is where the design of the layout comes into play. Pre-Phase 1. As soon as I can find my damn database drivers, I'm going to set up a quick form for a person to enter HTML and text for the card to update the website. You would have to enter standard HTML as you would like it to look, complete with <p> tags for paragraphs and the like. This is merely so that the updates aren't limited to me and Atlas and Johnny, and it's still easier than going into the HTML and finding the right place to edit, and all the jazz. To facilitate this, the card will be on a separate page now, linked from the homepage through a banner for the show. It's just easier that way. Phase 1. Card updates, title holders, schedule, commissioner notes should all be here in this phase. As far as entering the same data you enter in the board post...this could be more difficult than you think. The board allows for tags like bold, italic, etc...while these are standard HTML formatting options, they are not written as standard HTML tags. We'll need to actually parse your input text to pull out the tags and convert them to HTML tags. While this can be done, it's not the most pleasant experience and it's not very easy to do with ColdFusion. Might I suggest allowing standard HTML tags instead of the board specific tags. This will allow us to make this a phase one deliverable, since it is very easy to take that text and store it in the DB as is, and then push it into the dynamic content area as HTML. With the tags you can use on the board, it should be very easy for the person updating to convert to HTML since they are all basic formatting tags. Phase 2. This is a great idea...but I think we should reserve it for phase 2. It's not SUPER difficult, but it doesn't involve a good deal of coding, mostly to make sure people enter data correctly, as well as coming up with a form so that all stats look 99% uniform. I think this was in our plans already. I think for the initial roll out, the idea is to get something professional and nice for new people visiting the site, and then work towards adding functionality for the current members of the fed. Also, from what I've experienced in working with the site, the boards here are still the primary forum for people already in the fed. People don't visit the site often and use it. Perhaps they'll use it more when that functionality is available, but we're not losing anything by not having it for the first phase. We can just leave the stats on the boards for the time being. Phase 1. The repository would exist for phase one, and people could go to the site to find the URL for the image they want. These would be uploaded by the administrator who has FTP access to the server. Uploading and approving would be later. Phase 2. Uploading and approval process. Users would be able to upload images and webmasters and admins would be able to approve or delete images, at which point, they would appear in the list of hosted images available from the site. Phase 1. The Joining info should be rewritten for the rollout of phase one, but it would still be static, meaning that the only way to update it would be to go into the HTML and update it manually. This is not something that changes very often, so there's no need to make easy updating of the Joining Info a priority. Adding a quick form for new users to send, via email, to the screener expressing interest in the fed could work here, but it wouldn't allow them to send stats yet. Phase 2. Here's the thing...sending PMs to people is VERY HARD to do from outside the boards (i.e. through a form on our website). Now, if the screener wants to do it over email, that's very easy. However, for phase 2, we could set up a form for users to fill out stats and send them through email to the screener. I agree that allowing people to just send in stats as a impulse would increase the number of people trying to get in here...because it wouldn't require going over to some other site and setting up an account and PMing someone who they already forgot the name of. Phase 1 or 2. A little while back, I started development of an archive application for the fed. It only archived matches and promos, but I intended to extend it to more. I didn't finish it, but it's pretty far along, so that I could, in theory, roll it out with phase 1, and extend it in phase 2. It was a system for people to log in, and submit matches and promos for archiving. It also allowed people to search the archives for matches, promos, people, etc. So, we already have some of this developed. Of course...standard best practices is to work with 800x600 resolution to accommodate the most people. Also, keeping file sizes small is a must...and I'm a nut when it comes to this. Any image over 15k is unusable in my book. Da "we're moving right along here" H

Well JOhnny...in order to hold us over until you're done with version 2, I am going to whip together a couple quick CF pages to make it easy to update the current site. Outcast has agreed to make the regular updates. The problem is... I tried to login to create a few new tables in the DB, but I couldn't login. Is there anything wrong? I think I might have deleted my drivers when my eval version of the client software expired. I'm gonna try more today...but, nonetheless, I'm gonna do that so we can at least update this site more. No offense to Z, but why are you submitting designs to him for approval? I'm wondering why, if you're submitting them to anyone, you're not submitting them to me, since I am kind of the head of this whole web initiative (that and the fact that I do this for a living). I'm sure Z knows his shit...so I'm not worried...but if you HAVE to submit to someone, I think it should be me...or King. If you're just trying to get opinions or something, why not submit for the whole fed to approve, not just Z. I'm just wondering, that's all... Moving along...I has occurred to me that part of the reason this isn't done yet is like you said, you don't know what people want. Here's what we need to do. 1) First, we must come up with a spec to define end-user functionality. For this version, we need to keep things small and not try to bring in too much functionality to start with. The idea is to start with some base functionality (dynamic content for the homepage, roster, etc) and then scale up by adding more complex functionality (user added stats, polls, etc) after we roll out the first build. It's called versioning...we'll start with 2.0, which includes our base set. ANd each time we roll out more functionality, it'll got to 2.1, 2.2, etc. However, it's going to be hard to proceed without a spec. To do this, you and I, or anyone else...or just you...should just sit down and hammer out what functionality we want to implement. What will the end-user do on the site...how will they do it? Don't wait for CC to come and say, this is what we want...having worked in software and web development for some time, I have found that if you want for the client to tell you everything they want, it'll be a year or more before you start. What you do, and what our project managers do here at work, is we present a spec, and they can say yay or nay or suggest other things. That's how you get the ball rolling with this. ANd that's what I suggest you do in this case. Put together a quick document, outlining the functionality of the site along with the layout, and submit it to CC for approval. I will make sure it gets pushed through, or, I will approve it myself (King and Mark trust my judgement in these areas). Also, might I suggest getting together with Outcast for help with determining the layout and functionality. He's been around many a e-fed site and from talking to him the other day, knows his shit. If you have any technical questions, you can always contact me if you need to. Da "just some advice from a guy who deals with this kind of crap for a living" H PS - If anyone calls me a designer or a webmaster or anything like that, I will kill them. My official title is Senior Flash/Interactive Programmer. The key word there is "PROGRAMMER"...and don't you forget it.

Fuck you Taylor and Strangler...cause TBS flat out lied to me! I was trying to guess who was coming back to do a program with him after Genesis...and my first guess was Erek Taylor...and he told a bold faced lie. I'll comment later....there's a lot to read. Da "i'll never believe another word you say" H

I suggested Moveable Type a long time ago when the site was on my server, but no one liked the idea of making it like a blog. Also, the space we use now doesn't have MT installed....and we don't have perms to install it. However, there are things we can do to make it easy to update. If I have time this week, I can probably whip some CF together to handle easier updating of the homepage with shows and such. I can't promise it...but if...by chance...I had Storm off from writing a match, I can probably do it. And I'm in the same boat as Cast...if it was easier to update and I didn't have to use Dreamweaver and update the HTML, then I could do it as well. Here's what I'll try to put together...basic updating news, card, and results...we won't have any archives or anything like that, but it's a start. Unless Johnny has a better idea... Da "can't believe he's agreeing to do this" H

Well, Spike and I were mainting the current site while Johnny D was working on version 2. Atlas and I have obviously slacked off...due to lack of time...but I'm not sure where we are in the development of version 2. We'll have to wait for Johnny to chime in... Da "no talk about me being a lazy bastard...everyone already knows it" H

Lord knows that I sure don't...and I don't think Spiktlas does...perhaps the new site will be done soon. I would have time to keep up with it if I didn't have to edit the HTML. Da "damn needy website" H

::sigh:: After checking my PMs just now, I have come to the realization that Genesis's delay is, at least in part, my fault. Apparently, 12,000 words was too much for the PM system to handle...of course, it didn't exactly tell me this when I sent the match. Stupid piece of fucking shite PM system... Anyway...I was so spent after the match, I had to take a nap...and then when I awoke, I had to leave almost immediately (after showing, of course)...so I didn't check that my PM went through. By the time Raynor had emailed me, I was already gone. So...my bad y'all...I'm really sorry. It's all my fault...but really...you can just blame Outcast...he's used to it. Da "Outcast did it" H

Usually? How about always! Even when you weren't writing for the show, it's delay was 100% your fault. Da "accept it" H

Oh...in case I didn't say it earlier...I topped off at around 12,040 words. And it's a hum dinger...not necessarily good...but there's a ton of stuff in there. Da "good god...we go all out for Genesis" H

Muzz = teh funnies Da "can talk in that internet message board chat speak" H PS - I hate you all. Especially King...

THE 3RD ANNUAL SMARTMARKS FEDERATION AWARDS!! Brought to you by Frost Brand Cigars Here we go folks. After many delays, here are your 2003 Award Winners. First... THE SJL The Cyclone Comet Memoial Trophy - For Wrestler Of The Year Crow Comments - He almost dethroned HVT for the longest reign as SJL Champion, and produced a match with Sean Atlas and Christian Blackwell that was unfortunately left off the ballot for SJL Match of the Year. The Chris Storm Memorial Trophy - For Match Of The Year Dace Night vs Spike Jenkins (D@mnation In A Box, SJL Malice in Wonderland, 03-01-26) Comments - Spike wrote a gazillion word bloodbath that was probably his best match ever… and that was the LOSING match. One hell of a brutal match, with a killer stip. This is wear Dace Night first showed to us all just how fucking hardcore he was. He doesn’t curse as much as Neilsen, but still, the guy’s really brutal! Ejiro Fasaki vs Fugue (Caged Ladder Match, SJL World Title, SJL Wrath, 02-12-22) Comments - All I can say is...what a match! The El Luchadore Magnifico Mexican Pride Award - For Feud Of The Year Award Wildchild vs. Ejiro Fasaki Comments - easiest call on the JL ballot. This has been superbly booked and executed, though the best was yet to come. - I don’t follow the JL as much as I should, but I just remember a series of VERY awesome matches from these two, even for WF standards. So good – in fact – that I actually bothered to read them. The Ash Ketchum Pokeball Award - For Most Improved Wrestler Mike Van Siclen Comments - Snow Demon's in the WF. Who would've thought. - Whodathunkit? MVS has gone from mediocreness in the SJL, and now he's a former SWF Tag Team Champion. The Grimedogg Memorial Trophy - For Booker of the Year Alex Zenon Comments - Z's been fantastic with the JL, keeping the cards from getting stagant even when his roster thins like the JL does now and again. - Easily my favourite booker, always did good cards and provided excellent feedback. I tried my hardest to always write the matches he set for me. The HVT Thugg Passion Award - For Best World Champion Crow Comments - the bird was dominant during his reign, taking on all comers and narrowly missing Thugg's record. - 52 days, six defenses. Come on. The Frost Memorial Early Winter Trophy - For the European Champion of the Year Ejiro Fasaki Comments - Though he never jobbed the World to a girl to keep this belt, he certainly did a hell of a lot to elevate it. - Ejiro was just so badass when he had the European strap. How can I vote against the guy? The TV Champion of the Year Award Charlie "Grappler" Matthews Comments - the man's consistent. Made the TV belt matter when it could've been passed around week after week instead. - He was too good for this title. He actually jobbed it off so that he could run roughshod through the SJL. How cool is that? The Clan Memorial Stable of the Year Award Magnificent Seven (JL Division) Comments - This is a no-brainer. Some of the best writers currently in the SWF were in the Mag 7, and those in the JL are now thriving in the SWF. - Judge Mental, Ejiro Fasaki, Fugue, Janus. It reads like a who’s who of successful 2002-2003 bumpees, as well as one with promise who just never panned out. What more can you ask for? The Tom Flesher Heel of the Year Award Ejiro Fasaki Comments - He played to roll so well, you could help by hate him. In fact, IRL, I just hated him! I hate him right now! The Joy of X Trophy - For Face of the Year Wildchild Comments - A unique background, unbelieveable offense, and dat Cajun style. Rey Mysterio hopped up on coke. Beautiful. The Eddy Mac Award - For Best Promo Writer Crow Comments - Made me appreciate a gothic character. THAT is talent. - Crow’s character – as semi-stereotypical as it was – was somehow just so compelling from the start, and boy could the guy write a good promo to make me even more interested. The Promo of the Year Award An Open Letter to Tom Flesher - Ejiro Fasaki THE SWF The Jayson Grant Memorial Trophy - For Wrestler of the Year Tom Flesher Comments - Who else. In my opinion, no one has had a run of such consistency this year as Tom. He has been in or near the main event all year and has written some of the best matches this year. - The man writes some of the best wrestling in the federation week in and week out. He's almost always reliable, and he's been the best champion we've had since Edwin Mac. The Divefire Memorial Trophy - For Comeback Wrestler of the Year "TNT" Taylor Nicholas Thompson Comments - He won the 'Fuck over Frost, he ended ELM's reign...there isn't a whole lot he didn't do in that span of time. TNT truly is a pimp in every sense of the word. The Pay Per View Match of the Year Award Edwin MacPhisto vs Chris Raynor (Last Man Standing Match, Genesis III, 02-09-30) Comments - No other match this year has told a story like this one. No other match had the pathos, had the background or had the superb writers this one had. No contest in my opinion. - I wish he hadn't retired immediately after this, because in this match he showed everyone that he had what it took to be one of the absolute best. I won't ever forget him saying "So...what do you think about big glass letters for the Genesis set?" And neither should you. The Non-PPV Match of the Year Award Sacred vs El Luchadore Magnifico (World Title Match, SWF Storm, 02-10-11) Comments - A sentimental favorite and the perfect Sacred match: weird spots, good humor, and amazing catharsis. These two did a ton of good stuff last fall and too much of it went unnoticed. - Sacred fuckin' owns you. The Feud of the Year Award Frost vs. Tom Flesher Comments - Second in command turns face after much abuse, tag partners break up, brutal blood feud - this had all the classic elements, and in truth, it lasted for almost a year of beautiful slow burn. All the little sidebars along the way - the King's road getting in the way of the tag titles, Frost's quest to get his fire back with help from LDP - paid off in a series of epic matches and one of the best blow-offs of the year, Window Pain 2k3. - Mind games ahoy, that led to one of the best matches that has been produced this year. The Jay Dawg Improvement Award - For Most Improved Wrestler Michael Craven Comments - From a joke mired in the HC / US Title division to a legitimate ME? How can you beat that? - It took a while, but he made the transformation away from Ash Ketchum, cut off the chaff, refined his writing style, pulled a string of "upsets" and made it to the tourney finals...and now he's second from the top of the card at Genesis. When he wins, it's not an upset anymore. The Axis Memorial Trophy - For Most Under-appreciated Wrestler Michael Craven Comments - Most notable when I think zero people predicted him to beat Kibs, Judge, AND Muzz at Ground Zero, and he proceeded to grind them all into paste. Wildchild Comments - The bizarre, high-flying man from the Bahamas hasn't gotten the respect he deserves despite a title reign and some great, great angles. The Stubby P. McWeed Trophy - For Booker of the Year Suicide King Comments - Because he'll murder me if I say otherwise, the goddamn autocrat! Booker gets involved with stories all year long, keeps stuff interesting...A1 vote from me. - King’s done one hell of a job booking our asses, despite the temper. Heh, I’m kidding about the temper, of course… sort of. The Rane Memorial Trophy - For Most Impressive Career El Luchadore Magnifico Comments - Can there be any doubt this man is one of the greatest in the Fed? Hell no. - Has anyone had as many title reigns as him? Won world titles a year apart, which is pretty much unprecedent, and is the number one name anyone thinks of when it comes to cruiserweights. Did it heel, did it face, pretty much did it all. Oh, and he always whooped King, too. Suckaaa! The Hville Thugg & Edwin MacPhisto Cup of Champions - For Best World Champion Tom Flesher Comments - The World Title meant more when he dropped it than when he won it. 'Nuff said. - tied the Suicide King for most defenses. Wrote lots of badass matches. Would like me to remind you that he IS better than you. The Fallout ICTV Champion of the Year Award Danny Williams Comments - Did more to elevate the belt than most, specifically his matches with Mak Francis. Good stuff. - Very tough call, but his ICTV matches were unmistakably great, day in, day out. I think he could have held this thing all summer if he really wanted to, but he did a lot to give the belt some serious legitimacy. The US Champion of the Year Award Ejiro Fasaki Comments - Changing his entrance and tweaking his gimmick to fit with the title is brilliance. - He was one of the best tag characters, and now he's one of the best singles characters. The US title revitalized Ejiro, and he does everything well: hilarious entrance, browbeating of Wildchild, great piss-off-the-fans promos, all of which make him a great champ and a glorious heel. The Grimedogg Hardcore Champion of the Year Award Judge Mental Comments - "Cleaned up" the HC division and made the belt seem important. What else could you ask? - The hardcore scene was surprisingly spare this year, but Judge did the most interesting stuff with it, as the anti-hardcore hardcore champ. Figure four is HARDCORE! The Light-Heavyweight Champion of the Year Award El Luchadore Magnifico Comments - Just name the award the El Luchadore Magnifico Trophy and be done with it. the best LHW in the SWF ever. - Uh, ELM? Sure, it was only around for two months, but he IS that belt. The Fallen Tag Team Trophy - For Tag Team of the Year Justice & Rule ("The Judge" William Hearford & Ejiro Fasaki) Comments - Nobody dominated any division this year like JnR. Even now while they are racking up singles victories, the thought of facing JnR in a tag match makes good teams tremble. - Helped kickstart a tag division that would become one of the most well-concieved, if not THE most well-concieved highlight of the federation. The Pay Per View of the Year Award From the Fire 2003 Comments - A new era begins as ELM's reign comes to an end, and no one no-showed the PPV! Who could ask for anything more? - Neilsen’s glorious return, a very nice Tom Flesher match, and that one explosive guy winning the World Title in one epic mofo of a match. And that’s just off the top of my head. The Stable of the Year Award Magnificent Seven Comments - The Fed revolved around these guys most of the year. - You know, when the first new line-up of M7 guys started replacing the older ones – Mercury, Mak, J&R, Janus, Atlas, etc… I’ll admit that I was pretty disappointed at first. But – and I don’t know when exactly – suddenly M7 ruled the entire fucking fed. Janus was the most powerful midcarder around, J&R killed everyone in the tag team division, and Tom (and Frost too, for a while) could destroy most any opposition. It was crazy go nuts, and it still is for all I can tell. Props to everyone in the stable throughout this year for keeping it on top after that little minifeud last year with that Carnival thing putting it there. The Ace of Clubs Trophy - For Heel of the Year Tom Flesher Comments - Nobody, but nobody, played the heel better than this guy in the last year. - This category is dominated by Magnificent Seven members, but Flesher sticks out in my mind. He's superior (pun intended). The Grand Slam Trophy - For Face of the Year Frost Comments - The charismatic big guy that everyone can get behind, and did get behind for several months. Not many people can slam someone through a pane of glass and still be the good guy. Frost can. - It's a close call, but Frost was just a big guy you could fall in love with. Or something like that. The Cyclone Comet Trophy - For Best Promo Writer Nathaniel "Silent" Kibagami Comments - The drama, the desire, and a quantity unmatched. As far as flat-out creative writing goes I don't think there's anyone better in the fed these days. The Rookie Of The Year Award "The Judge" William Hearford Comments - One year ago, he main evented Countdown to Genesis for the JL World title. This year, he main events Genesis for the SWF World title. A pretty clear choice. - He's main eventing Genesis, man! How great is that? The Promo of the Year Award The Luvin' Spoonful - Alex Zenon Comments - I spend all fucking year pimping “In the Fade” for best promo of all time, and then I go and switch around at the last minute! SWERVE~! I don’t know. Zenon’s promo was just so fun, and so epic, and so A-Team-esque… there was nothing not to love. Bazillions of laughs, though it wasn’t just a comedy promo – it was a promo with a point, and it really got it across. Also, I do believe that this was the last great Carnie prank, and we hadn’t had one in such a long time… Zenon, though you never showed as a match-writer, hats off to you for my new favorite promo of all time. Huzzah. GENERAL The Mayor McCheese Comedic Moment of the Year Award Judge vs Ejiro - Judge Mental & Ejiro Fasaki (Ping Pong Challange, SWF Lockdown, 03-05-28) Comments - This made me die with my leg in the air. The Munich Jackass Trophy - For ”Tool” of the Year Blazenwing Comments - Who cares if Thoth won a world title--THIS will be his greatest achievement, the TRULY legendary thing. - There is no fuckin' question that this guy is a tool. He is the stupidest, the worst and the most fuckin' annoying person I've had the unfortunate 'pleasure' to speak to. Black & Decker, kill him now. Da "I'm very sorry for the lateness and the...uhhhh...not showy-ness" H

Whew...just under 10,000 words...but I still have my pre-ending spot to do, and then the ending...but the Skins come on in an hour. I'm fucked. Oh...Z...when you get a chance, hit me on AIM cause I'll need your help with the Awards show. Da "knew this would happen" H

Well, I wake up this morning with 6,421 words...I really should have written when I came back from work...by golly, I just wanted to play Madden. If all goes well, I'll finish my match before the Redskins game, and I'll write the awards show and post that some time between 7 and 8. Da "when was the last time things went according to schedule" H

6,057 now as I head off to work!! Hopefully I can continue writing when I get back around midnight...but it all depends on how tired I am. Da "hopes he doesn't no show genesis" H

I'm not just gonna let you all disappear to write your matches all weekend...oh no. Where are you? How many words you written so far? How does your match look? I'm currently at 3,700 words, and it looks real good so far. But, I have to go to work in a few hours, so I might be cutting it close tomorrow, but I should get finished. Da "I can't write for 4 hours straight, so I need breaks...gimme somethign to read" H

Yeah, they do Mark...I'll probably end up writing it myself (because it's just easier that way)...that is, if all goes according to plan, which has me finishing my match (which I've only gotten through 2 entrances) tomorrow and writing the awards show Sunday during the football games Da "we all know it won't turn out like that though" H

Well, I won't need help tallying, but I WILL need help writing the show if we want more than just me listing the results. We'll have to see what happens come Sunday... Da "it IS football day afterall" H

Meh...you have till Sunday, so take your time now. Da "kills everyone" H

No, I didn't Mak...did you send it? Da "try using the 'send' button..." H

See...yet ANOTHER case of people NOT reading my posts...I clearly...in bold...stated that ballots were due by Friday at noon. I don't understand how people could miss it. But fine...I'll extend to except ballots until Sunday morning at 12pm eastern. Is that enough time for everyone? I hope so, and everyone who didn't know about the deadline should feel responsible if I can't get my genesis match done. Ok...so, to recap... SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 28TH AT 12:00PM!!! That's when ballots are due... Da "if you don't have it done by noon on Sunday, don't bother" H

Just a reminder...you have less than 2 hours to get your ballot in if you haven't done so. With all the interest people claimed to have in the awards show, I'd have thought I would have more ballots for this. So, if you haven't voted...vote now! Time is ticking. Da "smackdown your vote" H

No, I love you Ejiro...someday, I will make you my love slave! Da "uhhhh...wow, my brain is mush" H

No...it's too late now Don't worry about it... Da "i fucking hate my clients" H

You know what I find so very amusing?? How so many people can't follow directions. I don't get it...how hard is it to name your PM... "Wildchild's Ballot" Not that he's guilty of this (I haven't even gotten a ballot from him which is why I used him as the example). But I don't get it. What's the deal? Do people just not read what I write? I've gotten all kinds of crap from people... "My ballot" "Awards ballot" "Ballot of greatness OMG!!1!" What the fuck? Please people...make this easy on me. It's not that hard. "Z's ballot" That's it. No creative names. Don't try to be funny. Don't try to be witty. You can do that IN your ballot...don't do it with the title. Please...it's very simple... "Hville Thugg's ballot" It's ridiculous. I know everyone here is very smart, so I gotta think it's not that you all are too dumb to follow the directions. Which only leads to one of two conclusions: 1. You just don't care, and it doesn't matter to you if you piss me off by my making my life harder. OR 2. You just didn't read the instructions. Seriously people...come on...how hard is it? Da "my goodness..." H

Yeah, I did consider having CC come up with the names...but time was a factor. It was the last thing I thought about as far as the ballot is concerned, and since I needed to get the ballot out on Monday at the latest, I didn't have time to wait for all of CC to respond to a naming request. So, basically, I tried to pick what I thought was best for each award, with some awards not getting named. For the top categories, I tried to use the all time greats who helped found our fed...and for the title awards, I tried to use people who were the best in that particular category. However, I had to make some concessions...like, ELM probably should have had the WF World Champion of the Year Award named after him, but I couldn't do that since he is actually nominated for the award. It just wouldn't make sense. I named them in about 30 minutes based upon what I knew off the top of my head (I've been here a long time, I think I'm qualified) and using the Title History for those times I got stuck. Since it was kind of rush job that only had one very tired brain on it, that's why I forgot people. Perhaps next year, we can rename some of them...or not...I'd prefer to keep the same name for kind of historic and tradition sake....but whatever. I think the bottom line is that some people DID get left out...either because they were too new to really have an award named after them, or because they were nominated for many awards in the show already, and it would be silly to have awards named after them. If Z feels it fit to add a name or change the name of an award, he has the full right to do so. I'm not going to argue. So, go Z go...if you feel so inclined. And yes, you've had such a big part in this (especially since just about all the JL nominations exist because of your knowledge and research and a bunch of WF ones as well). In reality, Z's the one that really did all the "real" work, and I'm just the front man who posts the ballot, compiles the votes, and posts the show...thus receiving all the credit for Z's hard work. Seriously though...Z should be thanked for all his work on this...and I did do some too dammit! But he did a great deal. Actually, you all can thank the Z-man for all the beautiful links you see so that you can actually go look at nominated matches and promos. I'm pretty sure I thanked him on the ballot, but I'd like to publically thank him again, and if you happen to be appreciative of me doing all this again this year...50% of your appreciation should be headed in Z's general direction. Da "you be da mizzan...for real cuz" H