Vern Gagne

How old was Ted Washington last year with the Pats? He held up well. so did John Randle. My point is that Sapp really only had 3-4 noteworthy years, it would be unfair to not exclude others who've managed to keep their play up to par for much longer. Plus at 30-31-32, he completely fell off, to the point were no one really wants him anymore. I never meant to exclude others. Didn't really think about whether or not Ted Washington deserves to make it. Now that I think about, Sapp isn't a HOFer at this point. You and Ripper were right he didn't have enough peak seasons, and his dropoff is pretty dramatic.

Take into the account the position he plays. DTs don't dominate for has long as QB, or DE does. Their careers are also more likely to be shorter than others, and peak years shorter has well.

No way the owners would be willing to get rid of 7 to 12 home games.

My grandpa has a copy of Mein Kampf? Wonder where he ended up?

It isn't the Hall of Stats, it's the Hall of Fame. That's the problem i see Andre Reed, Irving Fryar, Thurman Thomas, Curtis Martin, and Jerome Bettis having. The stats are there, but nothing really stands out wit any of these guys.

Sapp should and will get in. In his prime he was one of the best DT's in the game.

Dusty Baker Really. Robinson, Owens, and Louis. Robinson and Owens going into hostile and dangerous environments, and winning alot of crowd over by their performance. Like mentioned earlier, Louis had the support of the Nation against Schmeling.

Let me guess this is the fault of Bush and Halliburton?

Lofton is in.

I'm biased, but Brooks is a HOF. Might need a few more years to be a first ballot guy, but imo he was the best OLB in football for nearly a decade.

Been done, but it's good conversation. Whose a lock if they retire today, who's borderline, who still needs a few more years? What retired players will make it, but just aren't eligible yet?

You were only 2 and remember getting a Nintendo. Damn!

Does Cheney call a kid from the audience to dribble a basketball?

Who is this poster your speaking of?

If you don't go with a total ban, why not just keep him out of CE?

What I'm getting is this draft isn't all that great in terms of talent. Certainly not at the level of last year.

Mariano Rivera the best big game closer was 5-3, with a 5.51 ERA has a starter n 1995.

That's his point.

No. But Eric Gagne, Trevor Hoffman, Mariano Rivera amongst others were starters at some level of pro ball.

Here's the Super Chill version. Fatey Moore wouldn't walk out...he'd roll out of class.

Well almost every closer was a failed starter at some level. I do agree that Dempster should be given a chance at the job, since Hawkins one of the best RH setup men in baseball.

That guys probably set for life, unless he wasted all his money.

The best thing to do is drop it, before you say anything you'll regret.

No big deal. Also, if San Fran. wants Mike Williams they could probably trade down, and still draft him.

He could be a good closer.