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Personally I wasn't a fan of 1999 as a whole. I think it got better towards the end of the year though, once Triple H was in the main event role. Of all the years mentioned, I believe 1997 - specifically the fall and winter which were dominated by DX version 1 - would be the most entertaining. The same could be said for most of 1998, especially the build up to Summer Slam. For 96 ... I wasn't a huge fan of Shawn's title run but there were some good episodes. Off the top of my head, early April with Vader vs. Yoko in which Vader "breaks" Yoko's leg by hitting the Vader Bomb as the leg was resting on the bottom rope. Fall 1995 had some good moments. Shawn's collapse. The 6-man tag with Taker, HBK, and Diesel against Davey, Owen, and Yoko in which the three faces take a huge beating after the match from their opponents, King Mabel, and Dean Douglas. Maybe this is just nostalgia talking but I found the 1993 episodes from the Manhattan Center to be more entertaining than anything from 94, 95, and 96. The crowd was hot for everything and the atmosphere was electric even for Bam Bam vs. Virgil.
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How many times has a cage match NOT been the ME
cawthon777 replied to Steve J. Rogers's topic in General Wrestling
Yep, very important to note. The policy of putting the main event - cage match or otherwise - on right before intermission is frequently done even to this day. If you look at some of the shows from the 1980s, you'd see Hogan working mid-way through the card with a match like the Rockers vs. the Conquistadors going on last. By no means was the tag match advertised as the "main event". -
The mentioning of PN News makes me think this was pre Watts.
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How many times has a cage match NOT been the ME
cawthon777 replied to Steve J. Rogers's topic in General Wrestling
Don't think you can really call Magnum / Tully the main event on that basis. By that same logic, WrestleMania 2 was a triple main event. -
Comments, additions, corrections welcome. June 16 WWWF @ Bridgeport, CT – June 16, 1964 WWWF World Champion Bruno Sammartino defeated Lou Albano WWWF @ Washington DC – June 16, 1966 WWWF World Champion Bruno Sammartino fought Baron Mikel Scicluna to a draw WWWF @ Harrisburg, PA - Zembo Mosque - June 16, 1972 Arnold Skaaland pinned Chuck Richards at 12:05 Henrico DePaula fought Thomas Marin to a draw The Blue Demon pinned Tony Contilles at 16:03 Arnold Skaaland (sub. for Gorilla Monsoon whose car broke down on the way to the show) & WWWF Tag Team Champion Chief Jay Strongbow defeated Prof. Toru Tanaka & Jimmy Valiant in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match WWWF @ North Attleboro, MA - June 16, 1972 Paul Figero fought the Cisco Kid to a draw Lee Wong defeated Nikita Mulkovitch WWWF World Champion Pedro Morales defeated Baron Mikel Scicluna Joe Nova defeated Dean Ross via count-out Al Nelson defeated Juan Caruso via disqualification WWWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - June 16, 1975 Women's Champion the Fabulous Moolah defeated Susan Green Pete Sanchez defated Johnny Rodz Jack Evans defeated Bill White Baron Mikel Scicluna defeated Mike Paidousis WWWF Tag Team Champions Dominic DeNucci & Victor Rivera defeated Bobby Duncum & Butcher Vachon in a Best 3 out of 5 falls match Chief Jay Strongbow defeated Jimmy Valiant Ivan Putski defeated Johnny Valiant WWWF World Champion Bruno Sammartino defeated Waldo Von Erich WWWF @ Providence, RI - Civic Center - June 16, 1977 Prof. Toru Tanaka vs. Gorilla Monsoon Larry Zbyszko vs. George Steele WWWF World Champion Bruno Sammartino vs. Carlos Rocha Bruno Sammartino vs. Ken Patera Also included a women's tag team match and one other bout WWWF @ Queens, NY - Sunnyside Gardens - June 16, 1977 Prof. Toru Tanaka & Mr. Fuji defeated SD Jones & Don Serano Rocky Tomayo fought Johnny Rivera to a draw Johnny Rodz defeated Mark Tendler Haystacks Calhoun defeated Nikolai Volkoff via disqualification Peter Miavia defeated Stan Stasiak via disqualification WWWF @ Pittsburgh, PA - Civic Arena - June 16, 1978 Tony Garea defeated Stan Stasiak Luke Graham defeated SD Jones Dusty Rhodes defeated Spiros Arion via disqualification Superstar Billy Graham defeated WWWF World Champion Bob Backlund Johnny Rodz defeated Billy Lyons Dewey Robertson defeated Baron Mikel Scicluna WWF @ Long Island, NY - Nassau Coliseum - June 16, 1979 Dominic DeNucci defeated Tony Altimore Jimmy Valiant defeated Steve Travis Tito Santana defeated Baron Mikel Scicluna WWF North American Champion Ted Dibiase fought Johnny Valiant to a draw Ester Cartwell defeated Kitty Adams via disqualification Bruno Sammartino defeated Jerry Valiant WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - June 16, 1980 Pat Patterson vs. WWF IC Champion Ken Patera Larry Zbyszko defeated WWF World Champion Bob Backlund when the bout was stopped due to blood at 27:39 WWF @ Stamford, CT - High School - June 16, 1981 Curt Hennig vs. Johnny Rodz The Great Yatsu vs. Frank Savage Rick McGraw vs. Don Muraco Tony Garea & Rick Martel vs. the Moondogs WWF World Champion Bob Backlund vs. Killer Khan WWF @ Hollywood, FL - Sportatorium - June 16, 1984 Spike Huber vs. Rene Goulet Ivan Putski vs. Buzz Sawyer Bob Backlund defeated B. Brian Blair Rocky Johnson vs. Roddy Piper Mil Mascaras defeated Samula Pat Patterson (sub. for Jimmy Snuka) defeated Alexis Smirnoff WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Big John Studd via count-out WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - June 16, 1984 Televised on the MSG Network: Don Muraco pinned Tony Garea George Steele defeated Jose Luis Rivera via submission WWF Tag Team Champions Dick Murdoch & Adrian Adonis fought the Wild Samoans to a double disqualification in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match; fall #1: Murdoch & Adonis won; fall #2: Murdoch was pinned following a Samoan Drop (The Life & Times of Capt. Lou Albano) Jesse Ventura defeated SD Jones via submission Greg Valentine defeated WWF IC Champion Tito Santana via count-out Andre the Giant pinned David Schultz Mad Dog Vachon pinned Steve Lombardi Paul Orndorff pinned Salvatore Bellomo Bob Orton Jr. pinned Chief Jay Strongbow Sgt. Slaughter pinned the Iron Sheik in a Bootcamp Match WWF @ Brantford, Ontario - June 16, 1986 All Star Wrestling taping: 7/12/86 - included Jake Roberts as a guest of the Body Shop, hosted by Don Muraco: WWF IC Champion Randy Savage defeated an unknown The Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff defeated Paul Roma & Frankie Laine Paul Orndorff defeated Larry Finnegan Jimmy Jack & Dory Funk Jr. defeated Sivi Afi & Tracy Morgan Brutus Beefcake & Greg Valentine defeated Lanny Poffo & Jose Luis Rivera WWF @ Springfield, MA - Civic Center - June 16, 1989 The Warlord defeated Bret Hart Big John Studd & King Jim Duggan vs. Andre the Giant & Haku Jake Roberts vs. Ted Dibiase WWF @ Lafayette, LA - June 16, 1989 Barry Horowitz defated Boris Zhukov WWF Women's Champion Rockin Robin defeated Judy Martin Butch & Paul Roma (sub. for Luke) defeated Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard Dino Bravo defeated Hercules Red Rooster defeated the Brooklyn Brawler The Ultimate Warrior defeated WWF IC Champion Rick Rude via count-out WWF @ Los Angeles, CA - Sports Arena - June 16, 1989 The Genius defeated Jim Powers The Barbarian defeated Jim Neidhart Megaman defeated Tim Horner Jimmy Snuka defeated the Honkytonk Man WWF Tag Team Champions Demolition defeated the Big Bossman & Akeem Bad News Brown defeated the Blue Blazer Rick Martel defeated Tito Santana WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Randy Savage via disqualification WWF @ Moncton, New Brunswick - June 16, 1990 WWF @ Richfield, OH - Coliseum - June 16, 1990 Shane Douglas vs. the Brooklyn Brawler Jim Brunzell vs. Haku Tugboat vs. Dino Bravo Jimmy Snuka vs. the Barbarian The Bushwhackers vs. Greg Valentine & the Honkytonk Man The Big Bossman vs. Ted Dibiase WWF World Champion the Ultimate Warrior vs. Rick Rude WWF @ Pensacola, FL - June 16, 1990 WWF @ Oakland, CA - Coliseum - June 16, 1991 The Bezerker pinned Koko B. Ware IRS pinned Greg Valentine Ted Dibiase defeated Roddy Piper The Big Bossman defeated the Mountie Earthquake defeated Jake Roberts via disqualification Ricky Steamboat defeated Demolition Smash The Rockers & Virgil defeated the Orient Express & Mr. Fuji WWF @ Los Angeles, CA - Sports Arena - June 16, 1991 Bret Hart defeated the Barbarian The Bushwhackers defeated Paul Roma & the Brooklyn Brawler (sub. for Hercules) Davey Boy Smith fought WWF IC Champion Mr. Perfect to a draw Road Warrior Animal defeated WWF Tag Team Champion Jerry Saggs Kerry Von Erich fought the Warlord to a double count-out Col. Mustafa defeated Jim Duggan after Sgt. Slaughter interfered WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Sgt. Slaughter in a Desert Storm Match after Gen. Adnan threw the towel in on behalf of Slaughter WWF @ Canton, OH - June 16, 1993 Blake Beverly defeated Virgil Kamala defeated Damien Demento Razor Ramon defeated El Matador Yokozuna defeated Jim Duggan The Headshrinkers defeated the Smoking Gunns Crush defeated Doink the Clown via disqualification Lex Luger pinned Bret Hart WWF @ Rockford, IL - June 16, 1993 Ted Dibiase & IRS defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Rick & Scott Steiner to win the titles after the challengers used IRS’ steel briefcase as a weapon WWF @ Berlin, Germany - June 16, 1995 Jean Pierre Laffiette defeated Duke Drose Men on a Mission defeated the New Headshrinkers WWF Women's Champion Alundra Blayze defeated Bertha Faye Shawn Michaels pinned IRS Adam Bomb defeated King Kong Bundy The Smoking Gunns defeated Jacob & Eli Blu via disqualification Bret Hart defeated Hakushi The Undertaker defeated Kama WWF @ Sacramento, CA - Arco Arena - June 16, 1995 Techno Team 2000 defeated the Heavenly Bodies Skip defeated Aldo Montoya Hunter Hearst Helmsley defeated Bob Holly Man Mountain Rock defeated Bob Backlund Henry Godwinn defeated Doink the Clown WWF Tag Team Champions Owen Hart & Yokozuna defeated the Bushwhackers Savio Vega defeated WWF IC Champion Jeff Jarrett via count-out Davey Boy Smith defeated Tatanka Bam Bam Bigelow defeated Psycho Sid in a steel cage match WWF @ St. Louis, MO - June 16, 1996 Marty Jannetty & Leif Cassidy defeated the Bushwhackers when Cassidy pinned Luke with an elbow drop after Jannetty tripped Luke behind the referee's back Justin Bradshaw pinned Barry Horowitz with the lariat Savio Vega pinned Owen Hart with a spin wheel kick; St. Louis Rams' Demarco Farr was the special referee Marc Mero pinned Hunter Hearst Helmsley after Sable slapped Helmsley on the apron Steve Austin pinned Duke Drose (sub. for Jake Roberts) with the Stunner The Ultimate Warrior defeated Vader via count-out WWF Tag Team Champions the Smoking Gunns defeated Henry & Phinneas Godwinn (sub. for Skip & Zip) when Bart rolled up Phinneas as he was distracted by Sunny Ahmed Johnson defeated Davey Boy Smith via disqualification when Owen Hart came off the top rope with his arm cast to break the cover following the Pearl River Plunge The Undertaker pinned Mankind with the tombstone WWF World Champion Shawn Michaels pinned WWF IC Champion Goldust with the superkick WWF @ Lake Placid, NY - June 16, 1997 Tony Devito defeated an unknown Mike Bell defeated Jeff Reibolt Hunter Hearst Helmsley defeated Phinneas Godwinn Goldust defeated Jim Neidhart WWF World Champion the Undertaker, Mankind, & Ken Shamrock defeated WWF IC Champion Owen Hart, WWF European Champion Davey Boy Smith, & Jim Neidhart Shotgun Saturday Night: Mankind defeated Rockabilly (w/ the Honkytonk Man) by escaping the Shake, Rattle, & Roll and applying the Mandible Claw Henry & Phinneas Godwinn defeated Ed Ramos & Salvatore Sincere when Henry pinned Ramos with the Slop Drop Brian Christopher pinned Tommy Rogers by rolling through on a crossbody and using the tights for leverage Ahmed Johnson, Farooq, & Kama (w/ D-Lo Brown) defeated Mike Bell, Tony Devito, & Jeff Riebolt when Kama pinned Bell with a modified sidewalk slam Raw is War - included Vince McMahon and Jim Ross commenting on the off-screen backstage fight the previous week between Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels and it was announced Michaels would be out for 4-6 weeks as a result of the incident; due to Michaels' absence, a tag team tournament would be conducted to determine who will face Steve Austin and a partner of his choice: Tag Team Tournament Quarter Finals: WWF IC Champion Owen Hart & WWF European Champion Davey Boy Smith defeated the New Blackjacks at 3:35 when Smith pinned Windham after Owen interfered Triple H (w/ Chyna) pinned Phinneas Godwinn at 3:37 with the Pedigree after Phinneas was distracted by Chyna on the ring apron and kissed her; after the bout, Henry Godwinn came ringside and scolded Phinneas for the loss Chris Candido defeated Brian Christopher via disqualification when Rob Van Dam and Jerry Lawler interfered; Sunny was the guest ring announcer for the bout; Paul Heyman did guest commentary for the match and let it be known for the first time that Brian Christopher was Jerry Lawler's son, which prompted Lawler to come ringside and slap Heyman before entering the ring Goldust (w/ Marlena) pinned Jim Neidhart with an uppercut and cradle at 3:47; mid-way through the bout, Davey Boy Smith came ringside to be in Neidhart's corner; after the bout, Bulldog's music accidentally played instead of Goldust's Steve Austin defeated Brian Pillman via disqualification at 11:45 when Owen Hart, Jim Neidhart, and Davey Boy Smith - who were all handcuffed to separate ring posts - escaped and attacked Austin; after the bout, Mankind, Goldust, and Ken Shamrock made the save; Austin and Shamrock began brawling until the Legion of Doom separated the two men and Goldust suggested all five men team up to face the Hart Foundation at Canadian Stampede (Best of Raw Vol. 6) Tommy Rogers defeated Bobby Fulton at 2:48; Fulton played the heel in the match; Sable was the guest ring announcer for the bout Tag Team Tournament Quarter Finals: The Headbangers defeated Jerry Lawler & Rob Van Dam at 3:37 after the Sandman interfered and used his cane to hit a low blow on Jerry Lawler; both Paul Heyman and Tommy Dreamer were seen in the front row during the match; after the bout, RVD attacked Dreamer and Heyman before the Sandman made the save, with RVD escaping through the crowd Farooq & Kama (w/ D-Lo Brown) defeated WWF World Champion the Undertaker (w/ Paul Bearer) & Ahmed Johnson when Kama pinned the Undertaker at 6:07 after Ahmed refused to tag in to his partner, allowing the Undertaker to fall victim to a pinfall; after the bout, Ahmed hit the Pearl River Plunge on Taker before joining the NOD on the stage and raising his fist in solidarity; prior to the bout, Farooq stated that two new NOD members would be introduced; Kama was the first, Ahmed the second; during the bout, the commentary team pondered who would be the second choice and listed the Junkyard Dog, Abdullah the Butcher, Mr. Hughes, and Butch Reed as possibilities (Best of Raw Vol. 6) WWF @ Austin, TX - Frank Erwin Center - June 16, 1998 Tiger Ali Singh defeated Bill Irwin Shotgun - 6/27/98: Terry Funk, Bradshaw, & Dustin Runnels defeated Jerry Lawler, Brian Christopher, & Scott Taylor Val Venis defeated Treach Phillips Jr. The Legion of Doom defeated Bart Gunn & Bob Holly Droz defeated Shawn Stevens Raw is War - 6/22/98: KOTR Quarter Finals: Ken Shamrock pinned Mark Henry with a belly to belly suplex X-Pac (w/ Chyna) pinned Dustin Runnels with a spin heel kick after Dustin became distracted by Chyna KOTR Quarter Finals: Jeff Jarrett (w/ Tennessee Lee) pinned Marc Mero (w/ Jackie) with a DDT Kane pinned WWF Tag Team Champion the Road Dogg with the tombstone Edge defeated Jose Estrada via count-out after Estrada injured himself after sustaining a leap to the floor from Edge (Edge's TV debut) KOTR Quarter Finals: Dan Severn defeated Owen Hart via submission after X-Pac interfered and hit Owen in the back of the head with a steel chair KOTR Quarter Finals: WWF IC Champion the Rock pinned WWF European Champion Triple H in a non-title match at 8:06 with a low blow and fisherman's suplex Mankind defeated WWF Tag Team Champion Billy Gunn via submission with the Mandible Claw Dark Match after the show: WWF World Champion Steve Austin defeated Mankind WWF / IWA @ Aquas Buenas, Puerto Rico - June 16, 2000 Jesus Cristobal defeated Alex Power Pain defeated Head Hunter in a chokeslam vs. bodyslam match Kurt Angle defeated Perry Saturn Huracan Castillo defeated Hombre Dinamita Shane defeated Fidel Sierra in a Best 3 out of 5 table match Nueva Generacion defeated Club WWF, Star Corp., and Sexy & Sensual to win the IWA Tag Team Titles in a fatal four way match Miguel Perez fought Hardcore Holly to a no contest in a hardcore match WWF Tag Team Champions Too Cool defeated Edge & Christian WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Skydome - June 16, 2001 WWF Light Heavyweight Champion Jeff Hardy pinned X-Pac with the Swanton Trish Stratus & Jackie defeated Molly Holly & Lita when Stratus pinned Molly with a roll up; Toronto Raptor Jerome Williams was the guest referee for the bout WWF European Champion Matt Hardy pinned Justin Credible with the Twist of Fate after Lita interfered Chris Benoit pinned Rhyno after Lance Storm interfered and superkicked both Tajiri and Rhyno in the face WWF Hardcore Champion Test pinned Albert after throwing him a trash can and then kicking him in the face with it WWF IC Champion Kane pinned Kurt Angle with a powerbomb, despite the outside interference of William Regal and Tajiri The Undertaker defeated the Big Show Edge & Christian defeated the Dudley Boyz after Edge speared Bubba Ray and hit a DDT on D-Von WWF World Champion Steve Austin pinned WWF Tag Team Champion Chris Jericho in a steel cage match following the Stunner after William Regal interfered and slammed the cage door into Jericho's head WWF / MCW @ Jackson, TN - June 16, 2001 Tatoo defeated B.A.D Lance Cade defeated ? Outragous Rodragous & Raven defeated the Haas Brothers Victoria defeated Ivory MCW Southern Tag Team Champions the Acolytes defeated Christian York & Joey Matthews American Dragon defeated Jerry Lynn Spanky defeated Spike Dudley The Island Boys defeated Steven Richards & Seven Joey Abs defeated MCW Southern Heavyweight Champion Steve Bradley in a TLC match to win the title WWE (Smackdown!) @ Anaheim, CA - Arrowhead Pond - June 16, 2002 WWE Cruiserweight Champion the Hurricane pinned Jamie Knoble with the chokeslam Christian, Lance Storm, & Albert defeated Sho Funaki, Hugh Morrus, & Randy Orton after Storm hit the superkick on Funaki Tajiri pinned an unknown with a kick to the head Farooq pinned D-Von Dudley with a spinebuster Rey Mysterio Jr. pinned Chavo Guerrero Jr. by reversing a flapjack off the top into a bulldog (Mysterio's debut) Hulk Hogan defeated Kurt Angle via disqualification after Angle used a steel chair Val Venis pinned Test with the Money Shot WWE Tag Team Champions Billy Gunn & Chuck Palumbo defeated Rikishi & Billy Kidman when Palumbo pinned Kidman after Rico interfered and hit Kidman with one of the title belts Torrie Wilson defeated Ivory and Stacy Keibler in a swimsuit contest Triple H pinned Chris Jericho with the Pedigree in a steel cage match, despite interference from Billy Gunn & Chuck Palumbo; after the bout, Triple H hit the Pedigree on Gunn & Palumbo WWE (Raw) @ Bakersfield, CA - Centennial Garden Arena - June 16, 2002 WWE (Smackdown!) @ Corpus Christi, TX - Memorial Coliseum - June 16, 2003 Doug & Danny Basham defeated Rikishi & Brian Kendrick Orlando Jordan defeated Crash Holly John Cena & the Big Show defeated Chris Benoit & Rhyno Billy Gunn defeated Albert via disqualification WWE Smackdown! World Champion Brock Lesnar, the Undertaker, & Kurt Angle defeated Johnny Stamboli, Chuck Palumbo, & Nunzio WWE Cruiserweight Champion Rey Mysterio Jr. defeated Matt Hardy, Jamie Knoble, and the Ultimo Dragon Sean O'Haire defeated Bill DeMott Gail Kim defeated Dawn Marie WWE Smackdown! Tag Team Champions Eddie Guerrero & Tajiri defeated Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas WWE @ Dallas, TX - American Airlines Center - June 16, 2003 Paul London & Jimmy Yang defeated two unknowns when Yang made the pin with a frog splash Mark Jindrak pinned Tommy Dreamer with a flying elbowdrop Sunday Night Heat: Val Venis pinned Rosey with the Money Shot; Jackie was the guest referee for the bout The Hurricane pinned Michael Shane with the Shining Wizard Molly Holly pinned Trish Stratus with the Molly-Go-Round after reversing Trish's handstand hurricanrana Steven Richards (w/ Victoria) pinned Goldust with a roll up moments after Goldust kissed an interfering Victoria Raw: The Dudley Boyz & Ivory defeated Christopher Nowinski, Rodney Mack, & WWE Women's Champion Jazz (w/ Teddy Long) when Ivory pinned Jazz with a reversal and a roll up Test (mystery opponent) fought Mae Young (w/ the Fabulous Moolah) to a no contest when Test shoved Moolah and hit the pumphandle slam on Mae as guest referee Scott Steiner made his way to the ring with Stacy Keibler; moments later, Steiner held Test off as EMTs tended to Mae, who was later taken out on a stretcher Bill Goldberg & Booker T defeated Chris Jericho & WWE IC Champion Christian when Booker pinned Christian after hitting him with the title belt Garrison Cade pinned Lance Storm with a roll up as Storm was distracted by Steve Austin who was mocking Storm's lack of charisma over the mic for the duration of the match Rico (w/ Jackie Gayda) pinned Spike Dudley with a spin kick Randy Orton (w/ Ric Flair) pinned Maven (w/ Mick Foley) with the Diamond Cutter; after the bout, Foley took out both Orton and Flair with the Mandible Claw WWE Raw Tag Team Champions Sylvian Grenier & Rene Dupree defeated Rob Van Dam & Kane via disqualification when Kane brutally attacked the champions, hitting one in the head with a chair and dragging the other into the crowd; after the bout, Triple H came to the ring and invited Kane to join Evolution due to his performance in the match; Steve Austin countered the offer by giving Kane a title shot against Triple H for the following week; Eric Bischoff accepted the match but added a stipulation which said if Kane lost the match, he would be forced to unmask in the center of the ring; Kane finally accepted Austin's offer by hitting a chokeslam on Triple H
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Yes. Let's visit fantasy land, shall we? Kane kills HBK at Summer Slam. On the same card, Benoit narrowly avoids defeat and beats Triple H. Triple H goes off to Hollywood for a bit. What are we left with? Benoit / Kane II. They wouldn't need to do much in terms of buildup other than play off the fact that Bad Blood was such a close call and Benoit couldn't get Kane to tap to the Crossface.
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How many times has a cage match NOT been the ME
cawthon777 replied to Steve J. Rogers's topic in General Wrestling
IIRC, Kidman vs. Saturn was a bunkhouse match ... to play off Jarrett's bunkhouse match win over Dustin Rhodes at Starrcade. -
During their initial run around the curcuit in 85-86 as well as their second run in 1989, Savage scored a great deal of count-out victories over the champion. In 86, they led to lumberjack matches (one of which was held at MSG and had George Steele costing Savage the match) and in 89 they led to steel cage matches. Of course Hogan won all of those. But in terms of pinfalls, Hogan owns Savage with 13 years worth of 1-2-3 wins.
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I'm sure it was at least shown in clips but I don't think any of the 1-hour programs would allow time for a 15-minute match along with all the scheduled squashes from Hamburg and Allentown. I have the newspaper ad promoting the show and even that states that Superstar bowed out of the scheduled battle royal and opted for a title shot instead. It's posted on the website. April 30, 77 in Baltimore.
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I like the Arachnaman version myself
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Case in point - Terri, Mae Young, etc. You know they're not going to give birth so the only option is to have someone injure them to terminate the pregnancy.
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So he can avoid tearing his quad?
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I know I've come upon that site a few times. Yes, the humor is definately in the simplicity
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Still, it's Shamrock. People love Eugene. But I wouldn't expect Eugene vs Benoit to sell a lot of PPVs. I wouldn't quite compare Eugene to Shamrock in that respect. Shamrock was presented as a credible contender and title holder.
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Throwing one more in there... WWF @ Chicago, IL - AllState Arena - June 13, 2000 Smackdown!: Kane defeated WWF IC Champion Chris Benoit via disqualification in a non-title match at 3:29 after the champion used the title belt as a weapon Check out the date. 4 years to the day before Bad Blood.
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Here are the ones I have record of. WWF @ Salt Lake City, UT - E-Center - August 16, 2001 Smackdown! - shown live; this was the first appearance of the new set in which a giant fist was centered above the entrance: WCW World Champion Booker T fought the Rock to a no contest in a non-title lights out match when Shane McMahon interfered and Booker executed the Book End through the commentary table; WWF and Alliance members were barred from ringside for the match WWF @ Denver, CO - Pepsi Center - August 21, 2001 Smackdown! - shown live: WWF World Champion Steve Austin pinned Chris Jericho at 8:12 with a roll over and holding onto the ropes for leverage; prior to the match, Commissioner William Regal came out and announced that the bout - which had been scheduled for a non-title match - would be a championship encounter WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Air Canada Centre - September 4, 2001 Smackdown! shown live: WWF Hardcore Champion Rob Van Dam pinned WWF World Champion Steve Austin in a non-title match with a roll up as Austin was distracted by Kurt Angle on the rampway WWF Houston, TX - Compaq Center - September 14, 2001 The taping was to have taken place on September 11th but was postponned due to the terrorist attacks Smackdown! - shown live: Kurt Angle pinned Rhyno with the Olympic Slam Dark match after the show: The Rock defeated WWF World Champion Steve Austin via disqualification when the Dudley Boyz interfered; after the match, the Rock took out the Dudleyz and Austin WWF @ Washington DC - MCI Center - January 3, 2002 Smackdown! - shown live: The Rock pinned Booker T at 5:19 with the Rock Bottom; due to prematch stipulations, the Rock earned a world title shot for the Royal Rumble Dark match after the show: The Rock & Steve Austin defeated Booker T & the Big Bossman WWE @ Albuquerque, NM - Tingley Coliseum - January 2, 2003 Smackdown! - shown live: Brock Lesnar pinned Matt Hardy (w/ Shannon Moore) with the F5 at 4:37
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I enjoyed it quite a bit. The matches themselves may not be much to look at but from a historical perspective (considering several of these I had never seen) I was glad to have them on there. I'm not even sure if the Superstar / Bruno match has ever been shown in full (?). I would think that they may have shown clips on the TV shows at the time but certainly not all 14 minutes. I don't even think it's on the world title CHV tape from 87. Slaughter bleeds like a stuck pig in the alley fight. Meltzer gave it the Match of the Year honors.
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Degeneration X against Shamrock.... Wow, I wonder why people didn't buy that! Flashback to 1997: Shamrock was built huge, made both Bret and HBK tap in unofficial meetings, and the fans loved him. I don't think you can blame any one person for IYH DX sucking. Just blame a lot of people for the rushed promotion of lame match ups ... and throw some Montreal backlash in there too.
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Forget about Mordecai. Eddie vs. heel Taker = money
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That was GOLD
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Was he a good IC champ? Yes. But I would still rate Michaels and Mr. Perfect ahead of him. There was no real feud with Austin, at least not over that belt. Right after he tossed the IC title into the river, Stone Cold spent the next few weeks hitting Stunners on everyone from Jeff Jarrett to Santa Claus in preperation for the Royal Rumble. I actually have a poll going on my own forum as to who the best IC champ of the 90s was. Click here
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How many times has a cage match NOT been the ME
cawthon777 replied to Steve J. Rogers's topic in General Wrestling
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It was a harsh crowd that didn't give the wrestlers an inch. Different crowds give different reactions. What you get in Toronto might not be what you get at MSG. What you get in Ohio is apparently snoring. It's not the wrestlers' fault if they go out there and bust their ass to put on a good match and get no reaction. Okay, let me put it to you like this. You go to a taping and there is a dark match with two guys you've never heard of. They bust their ass to put on a good show but the crowd shits on them because they've never been on TV. Is that the fault of the wrestlers too?
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How many times has a cage match NOT been the ME
cawthon777 replied to Steve J. Rogers's topic in General Wrestling
Agreed. Despite going on last, I refuse to believe a cage match with Missy and Paul E was the main event. IIRC, SuperBrawl VI was promoted as a double main event with Savage / Flair and Hogan / Giant. -
For the record, this entire thread is rediculous. "Let's take the belt off Benoit because he's not getting God pops in Ohio. Let's completely forget about the fact that he makes EVERYONE that gets in the ring with him look like a million bucks. Let's forget about how he elevates each and every one of his challengers and makes them better wrestlers for having matches with him." IIRC, people were saying Benoit wasn't main event material and had no chance at the belt at WrestleMania due to the "lukewarm" pop he got by winning the Royal Rumble. Apparently Vince saw differently.