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Very cool. Good to hear, though at least MY balls haven't exploded yet.

My bad, you're right, I don't know where I got that from! Probably useless moron Scott Keith.

Foley said in his first book that he was supposed to win the title at Mind Games but the finish was changed on the fly, I'd be more inclined to believe him than Meltzer.... I don't remember him saying that in the book...

I thought it would be cool to start a thread devoted to all the common wrestling rumors, myths, stories, etc that we hear all the time and a place to clarify on this board once and for all whether or not they are true. For example: Wrestlemania 8: A common statement you'll hear is that Sid knew he was getting fired and kicked out of the leg drop of doom and no sold for Hogan to end the show. But I'm 99% sure the real answer is that Papa Shango was late getting to the ring...right? Wrestlemania 10: useless moron Scott Keith started rumors that the original plan was to do Ludvig Borga vs. Lex Luger in the main event, but Meltzer debunked those quickly. Meltzer also said that the whole thing with the main event getting changed the day of the show because of a newspaper article and Luger's big mouth is a myth as well, and that things went down completely as planned. Mind Games: Some say that the finish was changed and that if you look closely, you can see McMahon tell the ref of the change to a DQ finish. Meltzer responded to me on this one and said things went completely as planned, and that this is just a myth. IYH1: Another one we have from Keith is that the original plan for IYH#1 was a rematch from WM between Diesel and HBK. This was debunked by Meltzer as well. Final Four: Again, useless moron Scott Keith fucks up. He says in his rant that Steve Austin was originally booked to win the title, but it was switched mid match when Austin got hurt. Meltzer has called this bullshit. Now some rumors I want once and for all, complete clarification on: -Dibiase was supposed to win the WWF title at WM4, but it was switched to Savage when HTM wouldn't job the IC title to Savage. Fact or bullshit? -Hogan's black eye at WM9 was from a Randy Savage punch. Fact or bullshit? Feel free to add any of your own. And feel free to discuss any of the above mentioned incidents/rumors.

I've never bought the survey argument simply because (though I have no idea how they conducted the survey) that the people actually filling it out were the more hardcore fans, who obviously would want more matches, less soap opera, etc. I could see that all the "casual" fans were already watching WWF, I suppose, but other than that I can't see your average fan saying "I want more wrestling!" because average fans really don't care about matches unless there's a good storyline to go with it. Why did Vampiro do a minute long squash to Disco Inferno around this time period? I remember he threatened to quit or something, but then came back.

My question is about the Wrestlemania 4 tournament. Obviously I know the whole Hogan/Andre/Dibiase angle was done to set the tournament up. But did they ever explain kayfabe-wise why they didn't just give the title back to Hogan or have a rematch at Wrestlemania since Hogan lost the title by such nefarious means? It just seems kind of weird to out of nowhere announce a 14 man tournament after a controversial match between Hogan and Andre. Also, was there any method in who got picked to be in the tournament? For instance, why guys like Dino Bravo and Butch Reed were in, and guys like Hercules, Warrior, Bad News, JYD were not in it?

I have no idea, but it sounds like something Kevin Nash would say. Or I guess the obvious guess would be Benoit.

Here are all the unsolved ones so far: "Last night this girl came knocking on my door at midnight. Finally, I let her out." "What are you? A Bobby Heenan cartoonish heel color commentator?" "Kurt Angle is Picasso. Triple H is a finger painter." "We're going to finish this...one way...(suddenly yells)...OR ANOTHER!" "You think you're BETTER than me?" "Any Joe or Jose could buy himself a cheap belt and call himself the Intercontinental champion!" "I AM a dinosaur, I'M A TYRANASAURUS REX!!!" "What's the matter, Acey baby, did you lose? Oh, I'm sorry. It was my fault!" "AAAHHHH Hercules Nothing has been accomplished you know that as well as I. No water has been put on the fire, only bigger logs and bigger trees that me and you have the power to rip out of the ground or to send back to the forest and the flames, the flames of the fire Hercules that only me and you can put out or continue to make them rise Hercules we can turn it up or we can raise the heat up but either way Hercules you and I are the ones to deciiiiide. " (Not sure if this was solved or not) "Look at my beautiful body!" "I'm the greatest World Champion ever...if only on technical ability." "You must do so I may live." "As long as he can tone down his style, and we can cover that fat son of a bitch up...hey, hey, I'm just telling you what Vince said, don't blame me. But Vince said that if he wanted to see floppy boobs, he would hire a 50-year old woman." "If there are sicker men in this sport I love, I don't know who they may be" --If I missed any, feel free to correct me. Also, some people guessed some but if they were wrong, let us know. Okay, game on.

Just got a chance to watch Smackdown, really good show this week, by far the best SD in a while. Good matches and good segments for the most part. Really liked CCC selling hot dogs, the Cena/JBL stuff, the Chavo/Eddie segment, the opening match, and seeing London get a win. Great show.

This one is CM Punk, I think. He said it to Raven, right? Yup. He said it that about Raven at Wrestlerave 03. "Jimmy, there's no shame in losing to me." I 've got talent on loan from GOD." Alex Shelley! Here's one: "As long as he can tone down his style, and we can cover that fat son of a bitch up...hey, hey, I'm just telling you what Vince said, don't blame me. But Vince said that if he wanted to see floppy boobs, he would hire a 50-year old woman." EDIT: The one before it, just by context, sounds like it must be Bret Hart saying it to Shawn Michaels.

Whoops, missed this one earlier...Jake Roberts! My favorite part of that promo is "you've got twenty? I've got twenty one. You've got twenty one? I've got twenty two." Anyways, here are some more, though plenty remained unsolved: "I'd shake your hand like a normal man, but the truth is I DON'T respect you. I hate you. I hate you for everything you've pissed away, everything I scraped and I clawed for, that I haven't even earned yet, that you got HANDED to you! That you flushed down a toilet! For what? For pills, for booze, for alcohol, for women?" ???: Who are you? Terry Taylor: I'm Terry Taylor. ???: ...well who the hell cares. "Blow it out your ass O'Haire, I've got guys that could take out your knee caps."

Wow, my picks are going great. I had Vermont to win, and if I only hadn't picked UCLA and Alabama I'd be perfect so far.

Wow, didn't get to see any of the end of the game or OT. Thanks CBS.

I'm stuck watching the Duke game and they won't switch.

Come on Vermont! This would be huge for my brackets.

"Heidenreich = undead frozen Nazi" "Kidman disappears at random" "FU = Just a Fireman's Carry" Eh, they suck, but it's all good. I like your Paul London idea.

Vermont is my first round upset pick. I don't know why, but I picked 'em.

What if... Lex Luger had been put over Yokozuna strong and clean for the WWF title at Summerslam 1993 instead of the count out finish? Vince McMahon decided to go with a DQ finish in the SS97 match, never screwed Bret, and allowed Bret to do a retirement speech the next night on RAW? HHH had won the King of the Ring in 1996 instead of Steve Austin?

What led to Russo being brought back in April of 2000? If they hadn't brought him back, what did Kevin Sullivan have planned? (Those few months with him booking were just AWFUL) Before Nash got on the WCW booking team, was anyone else (or Nash) planned far in advance to be the guy who ended Goldberg's streak? We always talk about guys in WCW who should have been pushed but weren't...was there anyone that management really wanted to give a push to but for some reason it just didn't work out? (Aside from the obvious Renegade, I suppose)

all 3 of these are by the same guy, but have to be posted for their sheer fucked up-ness. "But the date is set, this Sunday at Greed, and you're gonna notice the day of that the weather's gonna change, because the pendulum on which the earth rotates on is gonna be on a 51 degree axis, I'm gonna have the sun to my right, the dark side of the moon to my left, and I'm gonna come at you with a vengeance, and I'm gonna eclipse your ass. " "Now Ric Flair, you've been in this business a long time, and you have seen a lot of white trash, and a lot of jabronis, so when Diamond Dallas Page comes out here and says 'self high five,' do your job - send him back down to the bush leagues where he belongs! When he comes out here and says 'badda-boom, badda-bing, badda-bang...' I don't even know what the hell that means - send him back down to the bush leagues, because he's proof you can take somebody out of the trailer park, but he'll always be...white trash. " "Booker T, at Mayhem, I'm gon' look at you, and I'm gon' look at the whole world, and I'm gonna say Vinny, Viddy, Voochy. And I know that's not in your Ebonics handbook, and I know none of these white trash know what it means, but at Fall--- at-- at Mayhem, I'm gonna give you the same thing I gave Sting... " THE BIG BAD BOOTY DADDY~!~!~! "We're going to finish this...one way...(suddenly yells)...OR ANOTHER!"

Wow, talk about overbooking.

Kevin Nash? Haha, of course!

It's the perfect boredom killer! Okay, here is the deal. You can make your card be a WWE/F, WCW, or ECW PPV, except you can't use the Royal Rumble or World War 3. You can do any other gimmick PPV if you want (like KOTR or Survivor Series or whatever). Your PPV must have from 8-10 matches, using any wrestlers living or dead. You must: -Use a former Wrestlemania or Starrcade main event as one of your matches. -You must use Blackjack Mulligan, Lenny Lane, old school Taz, and a form of Sid (regular, Sycho, Justice, Vicious, etc) on your card in some form. -At least two of your matches must end after outside interference of some form. -Babyface/s must do something embarrassing or comedic to a heel manager after one match. -At least two of your matches must be singles matches that never happened in wrestling history, to the best of your knowledge. -You must include either Undertaker, HHH, Hulk Hogan, or Shawn Michaels on the card, and his match must have a finish obviously altered because he bitched about the booking and used politics to change things. -One match should have plenty of blood. Put together your card, give us the results, and assign star ratings if you'd like. For example: WCW GREAT AMERICAN BASH: 1) Blackjacks Mulligan and Windham d. New Blackjacks Bradshaw and Windham at 7:54 when Mulligan used his clawhold on Barry Windham for the submission. **1/4 2) Johnny B. Badd d. Lenny Lane at 6:55 with a rolling cradle to win back his Badd Blaster that Lane had stolen. **1/2 3) Taz d. Dean Malenko in a "submission match" at 10:00 with the Tazmission. ***1/4 4) Raven d. Vader at 9:12 after interference by the Flock and the Evenflow DDT to retain the WCW US title. Sid Justice was special referee for the match, and afterwards got into a brawl with Vader. **3/4 5) King Kong Bundy d. Brian Pillman at 5:05 following Bobby Heenan's interference, an avalanche, and a splash. After the match, Steve Austin came out to save Pillman from a beatdown, and the two proceeded to rip Heenan's pants off. He ran to the back in polka dot underwear. 6) Abdullah the Butcher d. Mikey Whipwreck in a "fork on a pole" match at 3:42 following an elbow drop. Both men bled heavily in the match. 1/4* 7) Steve Austin d. Shawn Michaels via DQ at 18:54 following Michaels using a cameraman's camera to knock out Austin. After the match, HHH and Chyna held a bloody Austin up, allowing Michaels to connect with sweet chin music. Brian Pillman ran out to make a save, but was also beat down. The announcers foreshadowed a possible DX vs. Hollywood Blondes match in the future. Michaels retained his WCW title. ***1/2 8) Devastation Inc. d. nWo Wolfpac in a Wargames cage match at 21:49. -Super Destroyer started in the ring with Curt Hennig. -DI won the coin toss. Kamala entered. -Lex Luger entered. -Killer Kahn entered. -Randy Savage entered. -One Man Gang entered. -Kevin Nash entered. The finish came when Scandor Akbar was able to fireball Lex Luger through the cage door, and Kahn and Destroyer held Luger down as Gang and Kamala "broke" his leg. Luger submitted. **3/4

Yeah, that second house show card from 1995 is horrible. Lex Luger vs. Tatanka as the main event, ugggh.

Oh, I forgot about my friend who told me he knew the Rock would win at Wrestlemania 15 because he read on the internet that they taped Wrestlemania in advance and that he beat Austin. I have no idea where that came from.