Dark Age

But if we all go in there, we can discuss TSM, and have a blast, and make fun of other people! It's BETTER than going out with my REAL friends.

Boo! Any year other than 2004 and this would be great. I gues I'll buy a couple.

What aren't you morons in the chatroom? I'm in there by myself.

Thanks Tawren!

This will be the end of the Trish/Lita feud.

because that would mean that everyone here would have to say something positive about the WWE for once, and we sure can't have that. But yeah, Raw got a 3.4. so SD! beat Raw this week. which I think was a better show than Raw anyways. Why WOULD you say anything positive about the ratings going up? "WOW, Raw gained .1 in the ratings! I'm so happy!" If anything, I'd prefer them to LOSE ratings. That way they get the message that *I* don't want to see Orton and Triple H in the main event. If the ratings went to a 4.5 with that main event, it would mean more of it in the future. I DON'T WANT THAT!

How is Edge on a roll? He beat Jericho and Eugene. Prior to that, he's been jobbed out like nuts. And Jericho was an easy call for Vengeance01. He jobbed SO much in the build to the show that he HAD to win the titles.

Since its WrestleMania, Rock doesn't have to be moved to Smackdown. They can just have a inter-promotional match but to do Rock vs Eddy you need some sort of month or so booking. The WWE can't just throw it together in two weeks and hope it would draw fans because it wouldn't. So that would require the Rock to be on the road with WWE from the Royal Rumble to Wrestlemania to get the proper set up. I can't see the Rock doing that, infact he hasn't since Goldberg came onto the scene almost two years ago. Plus Rock vs Eddy might be good and I'm sure the two would have a good time with it, but it wouldn't top Angle vs HBK whatsoever. Unless Angle vs HBK tanked but hopefully the WWE wouldn't screw it up that badly. You argue that it wouldn't work because Rocky wouldn't have time to promote it? Won't that be the case with ANY Rock match? Against Cena, Orton, Shawn, Eddie, it doesn't matter. You run in to the same problems. HOWEVER, having him face Eddie will do more good than any of the others, mainly because Eddie needs the rub more than them. They're gonna try to make Cena and Orton in to superstars even if they kill the company in the process, so they don't need it. Eddie beating Rock will establish him at the top of the card once and for all. Oh, and yes, Eddie vs Rock would SMOKE Angle vs Shawn. Eddie is SO much better than Kurt and Shawn that it isn't even funny. And I LIKE Kurt and I like Shawn. Rock's better than both as well. And it would have more heat. Eddie vs Rock >>> Angle vs Shawn

Orton/Rock? Seriously? Lame as hell, but who else on Raw do you think Vince would want Rock to put over? Sadly, Orton's basically the only choice I suppose. Move Rock to SD and job him to Eddie. Eddie FINALLY gets "the rub", you get an awesome match, and it gives Eddie something to do. Be better than Shawn/Angle and serve more purpose. It's not like they care about the roster split, so Rock going to SD won't matter. Also, I think Eddie might be the only guy in the company that the fans WON'T turn on against Rocky. Cena would get killed on the mic, Orton would just get killed, and everyone else isn't even being considered. Eddie could hold his own and be made into a star.

JBL keeping the title beyond Mania? PASS. They should just get the title off him on the next house show. Its so bad right now. Eddie vs Angle part three SHOULD have been the main event, but they screwed it up around SummerSlam time. Whatever, they suck anyway, so it's not like I care. And Rock vs Orton would BOMB with Rock as a heel. The crowd would turn on Orton SO bad. In fact, they should do it, because I would enjoy that.

"WHAT'S POPPIN' CANADA!"

Yeah, that's the one. He used it in their title match after Mania. Only time I've ever seen it.

Didn't he bust out the headstand hammerlock in their match earlier this year?

Oh man, this sounds TERRIBLE. I'll watch Eddie/Rey but that's it. God SD! sucks.

Nope.

Why do you say Adam Copeland? IT'S EDGE!

That's a pretty bad list, actually, considering what they COULD have done.

Oh, BTW, despite Ivory's vioce being really annoying, she showed herself to be a FAR better announcer than Grisham.

Watched it this morning (UK). It's a really enjoyable show. Not filled with great matches or anything, but it's a fun way to pass a little under an hour. I thought Trish/Victoria was really pretty good, one of the best womens matches in forever. Almost as good as Trish/Lita, maybe as good as it. I loved Victoria's counter to the Matrix Move, the tumble to the outside, Trish's cockyness throughout the match, Trish countering the Spider's Web with an EXTRA rotation on the head scissors, etc. Just really, really fun. **1/2 easy, even if it was only 5 minutes. They NEED to have those two in a fifteen minute, heated, PPV match. Maybe at Mania. Comments on the other matches: Flair/Venis is really solid, the best Flair match in forever. It's only 6 or 7 minutes as well, I think, and could have done with a lot more, but it's still fun. Pretty basic, but most Flair matches are, and Val is, as always, awesome. Hurricane/Conway is also decent. Nothing mind blowing, but pretty OK. Regal/Tomko is just meh.

You're thinking of Vengeance 03. Vengeance 02 featured a very good Rock/Undertaker/Angle triple threat match, a good Kidman/Noble match, a solid RVD/Lesnar match, an ok tag team tables match, a decent Jericho/Cena match, a surprisingly watchable Book/Show match, an average tag title match and a nothing Regal/Hardy match.

Good stuff. I'm interested in what you, look to, have planned for Mania.

Well, even if no one else cares about this, it amuses me, so whatever.

Raw Roster * Faces In Blue * Heels In Purple * Tweeners/Unaligned In Green * Inactive Wrestlers Marked With A * Champions: World Heavyweight Champion: VACANT (To be determined in the Elimination Chamber match at New Year's Revolution) Intercontinental Heavyweight Champion: Shelton Benjamin World Women's Champion: Lita World Tag Team Champions: Eugene Dinsmore and William Regal Main Eventers "Triple H" Hunter Hearst Helmsley Chris Benoit Randy Orton "Heart Break Kid" Shawn Michaels* Chris Jericho Edge Upper Mid Carders Shelton Benjamin (Intercontinental Heavyweight Champion) Dave Batista Ric Flair Kane * Gene Snitsky Christian Maven Huffman Matt Hardy * Mid Carders Eugene Dinsmore (World Tag Team Champion) William Regal (World Tag Team Champion) Rob Conway Sylvain Grenier Yoshihiro Tajiri Rhyno Muhammed Hassan Khosrow Daivari Chris Nowinski * Lower Mid Carders Tyson Tomko Hurricane Rosey Simon Dean Mark Henry * Openers and Jobbers Garrison Cade * Val Venis Steven Richards Viscera Divas Trish Stratus Lita (World Women's Champion) Victoria Molly Holly Stacy Keibler Ivory (Host of WWE Experience) Maria (Backstage Interviewer) Candace (Make-Up Lady) Christy Hemme (Part-Time Bell Ringer/Time Keeper/Ring Announcer) Non-Wrestling Personal Eric Bischoff (Raw General Manager) Jonathan Coachman (Heat Play-By-Play Announcer/Colour Commetator/Manager) Todd Grisham (Heat Play-By-Play Announcer) Marc Lloyd (Backstage Interviewer/International Heat Colour Commentator) Jim Ross (Raw Play-By-Play Announcer) Jerry "The King" Lawler (Raw Colour Commentator) Lillian Garcia (Raw Ring Announcer) Howard Finkle (Heat/Raw PPV Ring Announcer) Tag Teams Eugene Dinsmore and William Regal Rob Conway and Sylvain Grenier Hurricane and Rosey Yoshihiro Tajiri and Rhyno Muhammed Hassan and Khosrow Daivari Batista and Ric Flair (Part-Time) Garrison Cade and Jonathan Coachman (Part-Time) * Christian and Tyson Tomko (Part-Time) Stables Evolution: Triple H, Dave Batista and Ric Flair Inactives Shawn Michaels - Will return at New Year's Revolution, refereering the main event. Kane - Will return at New Year's Revolution to face Gene Snitsky Matt Hardy - Will return to the ring in February. Could be back on TV any time before then. Chris Nowinski - Out with concussion problems. Unknown amount of time. Mark Henry - Cleared to return, waiting for a storyline to be brought back. Garrison Cade - Unknown. Recently Released Raw Stars In Condsideration For Re-Signing Scott Steiner Test A-Train Chuck Palumbo Rodney Mack Jazz Gail Kim Nidia Current Raw Feuds/Rivalries Triple H Vs. Randy Orton Chris Benoit Vs. Edge Randy Orton Vs. Edge Shawn Michaels Vs. Edge Shelton Benjamin Vs. Maven Huffman Eugene Dinsmore and William Regal Vs. Christian and Tyson Tomko Eugene Dinsmore Vs. Maven Huffman Kane Vs. Gene Snitsky Simon Dean Vs. Hurricane and Rosey Muhammed Hassan and Khoshrow Daivari vs Jim Ross and Jerry "The King" Lawler Lita Vs. Trish Stratus Future/Potential/Rumoued Rivalries Chris Benoit Vs. Chris Jericho Triple H Vs. Dave Batista Triple H Vs. Dave Batista Vs. Randy Orton Shelton Benjamin Vs. Triple H Shelton Benjamin Vs. Christian Eugene Dinsmore and William Regal Vs. Rob Conway and Sylvain Grenier Also, a list of people not currently on either brand. Rock Mick Foley Vince McMahon Shane McMahon Stephanie McMahon Linda McMahon "Mean" Gene Okerlund Rue

OK, so I'm going to be using a few ideas what other people have used. Please don't consider it me 'stealing' your ideas - it's a compliment. Hopefully, you guys are cool. ANYWAY..... SmackDown! Roster * Faces In Red * Heels In Purple * Tweeners/Unaligned In Green * Inactive Wrestlers Marked With A * Champions: WWE Heavyweight Champion: John "Bradshaw" Layfield WWE Cruiserweight Champion: Sho Funaki WWE United States Champion: John Cena WWE Tag Team Champions: Rey Mysterio Jnr. and Rob Van Dam Main Eventers John "Bradshaw" Layfield (WWE Heavyweight Champion) Kurt Angle Undertaker Eddie Guerrero Booker T Big Show Upper Mid Carders John Cena (WWE United States Champion) Rob Van Dam (WWE Tag Team Champion) Rey Mysterio Jnr. (WWE Tag Team Champion) Carlito Carribean Cool * John Heidenreich Mid Carders Luther Reigns Mark Jindrak Orlando Jordan Doug Basham Danny Basham Rene Dupree Kenzo Suzuki Billy Kidman Chavo Guerrero Jnr. Charlie Haas "Hardcore" Bob Holly Bubba Ray Dudley * D-Von Dudley * "Ultimo Dragon" Yoshihiro Asai * Lower Mid Carders Sho Funaki (WWE Cruiserweight Champion) Paul London Spike Dudley Daniel Puder * Jesus Aguilera * Openers and Jobbers Shannon Moore Scotty Too Hotty * Akio Nunzio * Divas Torrie Wilson (Part-Time Velocity Ring Announcer) Miss Jackie Gayda (Manager) * Dawn Marie-Wilson * Amy Weber (Image Consultant) Joy Giovanni (Make-Up Lady) Michelle McCool (Personal Trainer) Hiroko (Manager) Non-Wrestling Personal Theodore R. Long (SmackDown! General Manager) Michael Cole (SmackDown! Play-By-Play Announcer) Tazz (SmackDown! Colour Commentator) Josh Matthews (Velocity Play-By-Play Announcer/SmackDown! Backstage Interviewer) Bill DeMott (Velocity Colour Commentator) * Steve Romero (Velocity Colour Commentator) Al Snow (???) * Tony Chimel (Velocity Ring Announcer/SmackDown! Pay Per View Ring Announcer) Jason Roberts (SmackDown! Ring Announcer) Paul Heyman (Manager) * Tag Teams Rey Mysterio Jnr. and Rob Van Dam (WWE Tag Team Champions) Eddie Guerrero and Booker T (Part-Time) Luther Reigns and Mark Jindrak Doug and Danny Basham Bubba Ray and D-Von Dudley * Rene Dupree and Kenzo Suzuki Billy Kidman and Akio (Part-Time) Carlito Carribean Cool and Jesus Aguilera * (Part-Time) Hardcore Holly and Charlie Haas (Part-Time) John "Bradshaw" Layfield (WWE Heavyweight Champion) and Orlando Jordan (Part-Time) Cruiserweights Sho Funaki (WWE Cruiserweight Champion) Rey Mysterio Jnr. (WWE Tag Team Champion) Chavo Guerrero Jnr. Billy Kidman Paul London Akio "Ultimo Dragon" Yoshihiro Asai * Shannon Moore Spike Dudley Scotty Too Hotty * Nunzio * Stables Team Angle: Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns and Mark Jindrak The Cabinet: John "Bradshaw" Layfield (WWE Heavyweight Champion), Orlando Jordan, Doug Basham, Danny Basham and Amy Weber Inactives Carlito Carribean Cool - expected to be back in 3 months, after recovery from shoulder surgery. He remains on TV. Jesus Aguilera - could be back withing 6-8 weeks. He is NOT currently on television. Bubba and D-Von Dudley - both off TV for storyline purposes. They will make their return soon. Nunzio and Scotty Too Hotty - off TV as creative has nothing for them. Ultimo Dragon - awaiting clearance to make his return to WWE after a stay in his native Japan. He should be back by WrestleMania. Daniel Puder - on TV, but not trained to wrestle. Al Snow and Bill DeMott - off TV, preparing for the completion of WWE's new training camp, at which they will be head trainers. Dawn Marie-Wilson and Miss Jackie Gayda - have just completed (or started) an angle with Charlie Haas. They are off television for the time being. Recently Released SmackDown! Stars In Consideration For Re-Signing: Jamie Noble Johnny "The Bull" Stamboli Rikishi Billy Gunn Rico Constantino Sakoda Gangrel (Note on these: I originally wasn't going to bring anyway in, but the two rosters are so thin right now, I think it'll be fine to bring back all the jobbers they let go - it's not like I'm making HUGE changes to the rosters). Current SmackDown! Feuds/Rivalries: John "Bradshaw" Layfield Vs. Kurt Angle Vs. Big Show Undertaker vs John Heidenreich Carlito Carribean Cool vs Theodore R. Long Billy Kidman Vs. Chavo Guerrero Billy Kidamn Vs. Paul London Charlie Haas Vs. Dawn Marie-Wilson and Miss Jackie Gayda Torrie Wilson Vs. Kenzo Suzuki and Hiroko Daniel Puder Vs. Hardcore Holly Doug and Danny Basham Vs. Mark Jindrak and Luther Reigns Joy Giovanni Vs. Amy Weber Paul London Vs. Akio Potential/Future/Rumoured Feuds John "Bradshaw" Layfield Vs. John Cena Eddie Guerrero Vs. Booker T RVD Vs. Rey Mysterio Charlie Haas Vs. Hardcore Holly RVD and Rey Mysterio Vs. Mark Jindrak and Luther Reigns Vs. Doug and Danny Basham John Cena Vs. Carlito Carribean Cool Billy Kidman Vs. Paul London Vs. Chavo Guerrero And, that'll do for now. I'll update with other stuff (and Raw) soon enough.