Cheech Tremendous

For anyone who missed this angle when it happened, it was fantastic.

Just an assumption, but I doubt many would attend the funeral. Perhaps Chavo, Dean and a few others.

'Course most , ie the general public (unfortunately), will just see two junkies/'roid heads. That's what I see. Eddie wasn't a murderer, but he was no saint.

You can try an acronym. I suggest CWDWAT.

Crimson Mask may have bad information, but he's credible enough that if he's posting this information he probably has it on good authority that it's true. He's hardly the type to go about saying something just to stir shit up.

I think it was the DA who stated that he used some sort of wrestling choke and that many officials think the bruising is consistent with the crossface. I don't see how it's ridiculous if the rumors are originating from those involved with the investigation.

Steve Corino. True. Oddly enough I was also thinking about some ECW guys. I've never heard of any shit from Tommy Dreamer or Balls Mahoney, and despite Sandman's fondness for drink, he has struck me recently as someone else who's solid. Mick Foley, HHH, Lance Storm, Chris Jericho... there are plenty of guys who seem to be decent enough people outside the ring.

If it's true that Benoit used the crossface on his kid and the media the picks up on it, we may be in for a whole new shitstorm.

I hardly see how this could be described as a mercy killing now. He was an obvious loon who couldn't separate his fictional job from the real world. Using a wrestling maneuver on your son is just so creepy. As if murdering your 7-year old wasn't bad enough. I guess he was more consumed by the business than we ever really knew.

If Benoit used the crossface on his kid, then he's not just a murderer, he's a sick, demented fuck. No other way to describe him.

First of all, dubQ, nowhere in my post did I imply that any of those things correlate with Benoit being a killer. The original post asked if Benoit got a free pass from the IWC. And he does. None of those things were horrible actions, but they were less than upstanding and he received no flack for it. Other guys get far worse treatment for far less.

That's what makes it more interesting. Everyone claimed he was a a quiet guy, never complained and just did his business without the politics. There was a thread, I believe on the DVDVR boards back then that said "because Benoit is a IWC hero does he get a free pass backstage". Maybe it is true that he did. Benoit and other smark favorites get free passes all the time. It's been pointed out here several times that Benoit has a history of shady things (stealing Sullivan's wife, abusing steroids, DUI, domestic disturbances, using the WCW championship as leverage to jump ship, etc.). Look at the whole steroids thing as well. People dog on Batista, Snitsky, and Masters all the time for being roided up. We hardly ever hear the same for Benoit, Rey, or Jericho. It's a double standard.

I don't think that anything will change because no one in the mainstream "cares" about wrestling, the workers or the fans. If there was an understanding amongst non-fans what wrestlers go through on a week to week basis, we might see some change, but that's not happening now and it probably never will. The media is already using this as another opportunity to blast wrestlers as juiced up freaks and their fans as half-retarded hillbillies. Instituting change is something that needs cooperation and communication. Most people would rather the whole thing go away because they see it as a sideshow act that offers nothing to society.

I know nothing about 1, but 2 is absolutely true. There have been several stories in the past few years that painted him to be something of a dick backstage.

I was waiting for Czech to pull out something classic, and boom, post #1923.

WC is the WrestlingClassics message board. It is a well-run board with credible, intelligent posters. Dave Meltzer frequents the board regularly. Crimson Mask is a well-respected admin and is very knowledgeable and respected.

Well of course this was roid rage. We can now lump Benoit in with all the other baseball players, football players, bodybuilders, power lifters, cyclists and track stars that got roided up and murdered women and children in the last 25 years. Steriods my fucking ass. The dude was a psycho.

I'm having trouble finding the link between this occurrence and Congress enforcing changes in the wrestling business. I know that the steroids angle is being played up, but there really is no correlation between Benoit being a murdering psycho and having wrestling as his day job. One has nothing to do with the other.

How would you feel if you were Johhny Nitro? You get the biggest opportunity of your career because one of your co-workers decides to go on a murderous rampage. I'd feel sick.

What a sick bastard. Yes, with sick being the key word here. As in, sick in the head. I'm having a hard time believing that with all of the good things that everyone who knew him had to say that there wasn't some sort of underlying mental breakdown involved here that caused him to go on this rampage and resort to taking the life of even his own son. Oh.my.god. Some people are really going to justify this no matter what unfolds, aren't they? Some people can't separate a fictional universe from reality.

Who would have thought that of all the sick, disgusting, rotten human beings that have passed through this sport over the years that Chris Benoit would be the worst one of them all?

I DON'T KNOOOW!!! EDIT: Barron beat me to it

This would be a way better story if you lived next to Chris Benoit.

Because a psychotic break doesn't really apply in a case like this. He was on the road already and gearing up for a PPV where he'd be leading the ECW brand. He'd have to pre-meditate something like this to know that he was going to skip the show(s), go back home, kill the wife and then kill the son the next day. Or he's been having family problems, asked to go home and once there got into a major fight that led to the demise of his wife and child. We really have no idea WHY he did it.

Some people are in serious denial about this. The fact is we know nothing about the guy. Just because he was a good wrestler does not mean that he was a good person. I can understand admiring the guy for his dedication to his work, but there is no need to try and rationalize the murder. Let's look at the guy's past. He was, by all accounts, an abuser of steroids. He stole his boss' wife. He bailed on a struggling promotion the day after they made him the focus of the company. There isn't one thing there that suggests he would go on to murder his whole family, but he's not a saint that was destroyed the horrible underbelly of wrestling.