Jobber of the Week

It sounds like we have the same idea. I don't hate Bush in the "I wanna knock you silly" sort of way. I hate him in the "I would take a raving loon who accidentally escaped from an asylum in office before you, go back to diving oil companies into the ground" sort of way. I mean I dislike him in the sense that it transcends party lines, as I said. Much like how you would probably prefer Bubba Bill in office over Carter, even if Bubba isn't your perfect cup of tea, I'd take Dole over Bush anyday.

Okay, I've seen those now. Presidents do get criticism when they do things that a lot of people don't like. This is why Clinton was accused of consorting with the Chinese, selling out the White House, having people killed to cover-up a plot, etc. The same thing is happening to Bush here and will happen to whoever succeeds him. What I don't understand is why you're outraged about these MoveOn ads but at the same time saying "Well, you only care about these ads when attack YOUR candidate!" You've been complaining about these groups that have been attacking your candidate the whole time, but when one comes out on the other end, you buy the book and swallow the line. Don't you see a hypocracy in that? If you're complaining about MoveOn, Soros, and etc, why is it suprising that people are complaining about SwiftVets and their attack ad?

And they weren't even our enemy until we started getting involved in their civil war. Huzzah.

That they attribute the quote to him directly in the latest ad alone is a gross distortion of the truth. http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=244

I think this has given Kerry credibility problems, but I don't buy 100% of the stuff they're saying. Namely this "Kerry wrote all the reports" business. I'm skeptical of the rest because of my own bias, but I can't deny they're doing damage. And there we go. You have guys you don't like, and I have mine.

Have ANY of the ads used such gross distortions of the truth as the SwiftVets ads? I think F9/11 came up there, but that's not a 527. Then why don't I remember any of the other ads getting this kind of attention? Especially when there "isn't that much hatred of Bush?" if that's the case, there would be more outrage.

Do you even understand the coverups, and and the public's lack of knowledge of what was really going on in Vietnam? The media was a far different beast than it is today.

I'm not the guy who buys what the SwiftVets are saying without any grain of salt. Like I need to apologize or explain to you who I like and dislike. Last I checked, you didn't have a high personal opinion of Jimmy Carter.

I didn't say it was. I've said that the testimony was incorrect in describing the situation. It isn't the truth. But it isn't that far from it. You guys seem to be denying what everybody knows though, that there was a fucking disaster going on over there. Instead you seem to believe that everything went all right, and nobody should have said anything at all about the bad shit going on for the good of the country and the war effort.

Big difference between condemning 527s as an idea as Bush has done until now and specifically condemning garbage attack ads. Again, I don't see any Dem 527 TV ads. Can you find me one that's as vicious as the SwiftVets ad? I assume the reason I never see them or hear about them like I do the SwiftVets ad is because they're just criticizing policy decisions and not their character.

Just because I'm skeptical doesn't matter because my vote is already decided. You said yourself that contacting veterans takes time but the whole organization was founded not that long ago, which is exactly what I'm talking about. They timed it to do as much damage as they can while providing Kerry with only a few weeks to try and come up with a defense. You secretly know it's true. He's been running for President for a while. Nothing happened, which is expected because Howie had all the momentum for a while. Still, Kerry was predominately running on his Vietnam experience even here and is all the way through now. Then Kerry starts actually winning primaries, then the opponents are wittling down. Guys like Clark and Edwards are running out of steam and Dean is only hanging on to save face. This would be a prime time to make a case against Kerry at this point, but they don't. Then Kerry is the only serious guy left in the race and the only competitor, and only in the loosest use of the term, is Dennis Kucinich running on the Hi I'm A Total Joke platform. They could come forward here, but they don't. There's nobody left, Kerry's been nominated, and there's only a few weeks left to go and everyone's scrambling to get their message out... HEY, I GOT AN IDEA, LET'S STRIKE NOW. It's not disagreements. It's a complete disgrace of this country.

I haven't seen any moveon.org ads because I don't live in a battleground state, sorry. But I've seen the SwiftVet ads all over cable. I think Bush has taken the right move re: 527s, but I still think he should specifically condemn this ad, as well.

My posting in regards to Bush is completely biased. I passionately dislike the guy and wouldn't mind seeing whoever, even another conservative, replace him. It's not even partisan, it's personal.

And then he went and worked as an attorney in Texas for many years. And then, upon hearing that Kerry won in Iowa and had momentum into the White House, he didn't do anything. He waited around until not only until all competitors had been wiped out, but until the election is this close. It's not that his interest in disliking Kerry isn't genuine. It's that he sure waited around on his duff for a long time biding his time for quite a few weeks and months that it was assured that Kerry would be making it to the general election. There was clearly an element of political strategy in that.

I'm so sick of Rock that I'd pay money to see someone no-sell the Rock Bottom.

Kerry asked MoveOn to stop running an ad, and they had about as much class as SwiftVets in their response.

You stole that from Hey Dude. No, it only popped in my head because my cat is currently got sores and problems since another cat sank it's jaws into his tail. I watched maybe three episodes of Hey Dude, and don't remember a damn thing besides a ranch being involved. At least I can remember the premise of Pete & Pete.

I didn't say it was honest. It's just an awesome PR move, is all.

Sounds like video on demand meets distributed networking. It's almost guaranteed to have DRM anyway.

Smart move. Bush realized that many considered the ball to be in his court here. While many think it was up to Kerry to find some way around the charges in the book, the ads barely touched the surface of addressing the accusations, and simply smeared Kerry. Bush took the high road out here and is now challenging Kerry to do the same. Can't say I agree personally because people ought to be free to air what they want if they can afford it, but there are cases when it goes too far into the slander category. Ah hell, let's just be honest: McCain-Feingold sucks.

Because somewhere in Alabama... If any Democrat will do, I sensed the lies on the first viewing and actaully gave up reading his last book because I simply can't stand him so much that I can't even read the book. And I can read O'Reilly books. Unless you're looking for a high-profile Demorat, in which case, no. Snooooooooooooze.. If there's one thing I can't stand about Vietnam discussions, it's people think others should have shut their trap and never said a damn thing about the war if they didn't like it because OMG ITZ HELPING THE N-M-E. "The enemy", of course, being a nation that only had access to government propaganda media which would lie about such events happening even if they didn't.

Simply put, it's most likely because: 1) 2) 3) The more important question, I think, is why they waited until there was less than 100 days until the election to start attacking. This group didn't even exist until not too long ago, But Iowa/NH were way back there and it's been pretty obvious ever since.

Keep in mind that Orton is the third plotline of this episode. Kane and Lita are the primary focus and the Diva search is definitely going to take #2. Besides, they need to slow burn the rest of this if they want to make it last until WrestleMania.