LessonInMachismo

Niiiiiiice...even MORE big government control. Aside from hurting WWE, it will be hurting independent promotions, such as Harley Race's WLW. Perhaps moreso.

Okay, I have been saving this one, which is one of my favorites:

For one, that "Wrestlemania: The Legacy" set isn't exactly uncut. One of the tapes lists Nacho Man vs. The Huckster as a match but it is nowhere on the tape. That would have been nice to have. I bought the set including 1-13 in 1999 for a lot on money only to learn that they released another one a few months later including 1-14. What makes me royally pissed of is the XX DVD I bought. I thought it was going to be a great deal. The third disc was supposed to have WM's ten greatest matches. When I played it, I found out that it was that TV special hosted by Ric Flair with clips of the matches. I have all of the matches anyway, but it would have been nice to have them all on one disc. But to make up for it, a decent documentary is also on the disc, going behind the scenes of XIX.

If you will read the last post I made in this thread with the quote from the biased WWF book, you will see that when the book was published (2001) they claimed the Pope drew 88,000. Now the Dome's site claim's the Pope did more than WM3. In the final analysis, I think it can be reasoned that the arena felt guilty for propagating the myth of 93,000 over the Pope's 88,000, so they raised his to beat WWF. This way, they don't look like liars for changing 93,000+ to 78,000, but still let El Papa beat WWF. Make sense? I think so.

Mick: Hey, doesn't that Lita chick look great?! Edge (with Christian): From a DISTANCE.

Okay, this is what the WWE-produced -- and therefore biased -- book Wrestlemania: The Official Insider's Story says: "Tickets went on sale February 14. By March 2 we had sold 50,000 seats. By March 11 we had sold 74,000. And when we went to out production meeting on March 24, we had 90,000 tickets sold! At that point we cut of sales, because there was concern that we might oversell the buidling. By the time the final numbers came in from our remote outlets, the figure was 93, 173. We had done the impossible: we had sold enough tickets to guarantee the largest indoor crowd in history. Bigger than the Rolling Stones concert at the Silverdome. Bigger, even, than the Pope's appearance at the Silverdome several months later, which would draw 88,000. In fairness, it should be pointed out that for the Pope, they probably had to put in kneelers, which do take up a lot of space. Nevertheless, we outsold the Pope. That was nothing short of amazing." Now, I know Meltzer is also biased in his opinion of Vince, but come on, this is VINCENT K. MCMAHON we're talking about. I am more inclined to believe Meltzer on this issue, and there are too many inconsistencies involved to believe WWF/E.

I think one thing killed it, and The Death of WCW itself names it: When the network decided to drop wrestling. I don't think the quality of the product had anything to do with it. To execs, it was all the same thing...there was no such thing as quality...it's rasslin, after all. The point of no return was reached after the coming of shadows known as a figurative sale sign being put up outside the equally figurative house. The signs and portents were there, such as their biggest supporter in the TW structure, Ted Turner, fading into the background.

Heenan and Gorilla are so mine.

<< even though it didn't entirely make sense for Vince to be the Higher Power anyway.>> JR: Harvey Whippleman is the Higher Power?!?!

Here is a list of double team moves. Note that they don't include "drop and follow up" moves. http://www.deathvalleydriver.com/bbbowm/doubleteam.htm This site is great, by the way. I will post a link to the main page, though many of you probably already know about it. http://www.deathvalleydriver.com/bbbowm/bbbowm.htm

<<I only saw them do it at Wm3.>> It's funny how un-over they were. They got the respectful face tag team pop, but that was it. It wasn't until they became "All American Boys" that they really got noticed by the fans. What's sad is how the tag teams are dying today, and have been dying over the last few years. Back then we had the Bees, Can-Am, Dream Team, Orton/Muraco, Young Stallions, Strike Force, Brainbusters, just to name a few. WCW also did a nice job of killing the division, especially when they put a belt on "Judge" Judy Bagwell. I'm a big fan of old school tag matches, so it sucks to see the garbage teams on TV today. As for a tag team finisher, I thought of one that might be cool. Imagine one guy holding the victim up like the Rougeau finisher and the other guy leaping from the top rope and doing a somersault powerbomb. Would that be too dangerous to be done on a regular basis?

I picked up the Ted Dibiase Classic Superstars figure the other day. I really like it, but why do they have a pic of the action figure's face instead of the real Teddy? Would they have to pay him some kind of royalty? Also, do all of the Classic figures have pics of the figures' faces? I didn't notice it until I got home.

If you are referring to what i think you are then it was HHH who did that. He only signed one H. Then did a beat down a completed his signature. Okay, either that or WWE did the same thing twice, which is not out of the range of possibility. I just liked it, whoever it was. As for Honky Tonk Man, he was coming off of a Wrestlemania win over Jake Roberts and had a full head of steam (not grease). I have heard that Steamboat had heat because he wanted time off to be with his new baby, but they had just put the belt on him. So while HTM was legitimate as far as I'm concerned, maybe taking the belt from Ricky and putting it on an Elvis impersonator was considered a slap in the face. Interesting, too, how they made HTM the longest-reigning IC champ. Waste not, want not.

What was up with Jaques and Raymond's homo-erotic finisher?

<<ontiac Silver Dome, WM 3, you could say 93,000 + came to see, oh Savage vs Steamboat, that would be a uniform smarkish Answer, you could even say they came to see the Hart Foundation and Danny Davis vs Bulldogs & Tito Santana, or you could be silly and say they all just wanted to see the Mixed Midget match... But in Reality in the dark of night you have to admit 93,000 + people a Indoor attendence Record for that Day CAME to See Hogan vs Andre.>> Actually, there were closer to 78,000 people at the SilverDome. The 93,000 number was a bloated number by WWF. Even if it had been the actual number that they announced, The Pope drew several hundred more than that at the SilverDome. What is more impressive than the live audience is the closed-circuit/PPV numbers for WM3. They used to have closed-circuit big screens at arenas around the country and people would pay to come and watch shows on them. I remember the Stockton Civic Memorial Auditorium was sold out just to watch WM3. I stayed home and watched it on PPV, and it was the first one I ever ordered. I wasn't a fan of Hogan at the age of eleven, but I was becoming a fan of wrestling, and WM3 was just huge in terms of buildup. I actually wrote about it in my column this month: Column

Actually, Superbrawl had "Revenge" added to the title. What with Sin and Greed, imagine the other PPV's named after the seven dealy sins: WCW presents Pride! (Or Vanity!) Envy! Gluttony! Lust! Anger! (Or Wrath!) Sloth! Sloth is defined as " is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work." I guess Nash would've made his surprise return there. Greed would have sounded better as Avarice.

Is a Burning Hammer an inverted DVD?

I really think this would be a great opportunity for Lance Storm to fulfill one of his career goals; that of wrestling Benoit. They could make it a six-year anniversary tribute match to Owen.

It IS embarassing. I remember when Bret attacked Sasso during a skit on MadTV and the audienced laughed, but it was the wrong kind of laugh. It especially sucked since it was Bret, who is pretty much at the apex of the mountain of people who take their craft seriously.

When Austin pretended to sign the contract but didn't and got to kick some ass.

HHH "turning" on Austin during the "Who ran over Stone Cold?" angle. No, Hunter's utterance of "Hey, Austin, don't trust anybody!" didn't give it away. Not at all.

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It was my understanding that early polls/focus groups indicated there was far less popular support for the decision than would have made it worth Hogan's time and effort; so, he dropped it. That would certainly make sense. I just hope Jesse realizes the same thing early on and doesn't make a run for it in '08. Unless that "wrestler in the White House" thing was just him blowing hot air. For years he said he would not run for president and then he gives us that out of nowhere.

So Heenan really didn't mean to give it away then? No, I am pretty sure he was just doing what his charicter was doing the whole show. Heenan loved Hogan because working w/ him meant more $$$. But his character has despised him for years and would NEVER trust a guy like Hogan. Plus, there was a sense of paranoia in kayfabe WCW. NO ONE was ruled out as being the 3rd man, so it's natural that Heenan would make that observation. That's correct. Hennan, in Kayfabe, hated Hogan for YEARS, and was just playing the heel announcer to Hogan's babyface character. I don't know if he knew Hogan was the 3rd man, but if he did he wasn't intentionally blowing it. Wade Keller all but bashed The Death of WCW for not criticizing Heenan enough. I have seen that BATB'96 footage dozens of times on dozens of tapes and it has never occurred to me that Bobby "gave it away." I have never seen the entire PPV, but given the context of that Mean Gene story that was mentioned earlier in the thread, it was obvious that Hogan was the third man. I think Keller is patronizing fans by suggesting they didn't know that the third man was Hogan the moment he hit that aisle. Does Keller have something against Heenan? I know Heenan is a Republican, and Keller is highly critical of Republicans from what I have observed, though admittedly my observation has been minimal.

oh yea I remember those bogus tyson reports one fan said that austin and tyson went into his video store and told the guy that tyson was the higher power I wish it would have been Jake Roberts though I thought it was Goldberg. He hadn't been on WCW TV for a few months and they had "jobbed" him to Bret in that cool armor thing a la A Fist Full of Dollars, so going on the logic that Bret beating him meant that he was leaving, I thought he could be the Higher Power. I had just gotten internet access six months before, so I knew nothing of wrestling websites and I couldn't dispel the theory. I really thought it was true when Austin started yelling "You son of a bitch!" at the end of that Raw when the HP revealed himself only to Austin.