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Well, how about 25 workers I'd push over Ultimo (either based on their charisma, workrate or mic work)? 1. Chris Jericho. 2. Chris Benoit. 3. Eddie Guerrero. 4. Chavo Guerrero. 5. John Cena. 6. Rob Van Dam. 7. Shelton Benjamin. 8. Charlie Haas. 9. Matt Hardy. 10. Rey Mysterio. 11. Billy Kidman. 12. Jamie Noble. 13. Yoshihiro Tajiri. 14. Spanky. 15. Paul London. 16. Randy Orton. 17. Booker T. 18. Kane. 19. Edge. 20. Sean Morley. 21. Lance Storm. 22. Rhyno. 23. Kanyon. 24. Christian 25. Rob Conway. He's behind a LONG LINE. I'm not concerned about #26 not getting a serious push, when's there so much talent there to be pushed.

I wasn't asking for a MOTY anyway. Just trying to make a distinction between the amount of new guys being pushed, as opposed to the guys still being held down. Ultimo is one of the true few who deserve a push, but are not getting it (though on my list of 20 people who deserve a push, he's #21). Unless he's given a mouthpiece, the amount of time his matches get will mean fuck-all..

Haven't seen any of them. 11/03/2003 Jindrak and Cade in a backstage vignette about beating the Dudleys. Jindrak gave Cade a peptalk about the titles not being on the line, but their "dignity" was. 10/27/2003 10/20/2003

Jindrak, Cade and Maven are being given entire segments and promos given to them, along with their matches. Spanky and London have already segments based around them on Smackdown and Velocity since London's debut, along with their matches. Tajiri has the cruiserweight title around his waist now, along with a developing stable that could have great potential. Doug Basham and the Damaja hold the WWE Tag Titles, regarded as the most prestigous belts out there right now. Who can forget about Haas and Benjamin. Randy Orton is a rising star on RAW, regarded as the "breakout star" of the brand. John Cena is a rising star on Smackdown, regarded as the "breakout star" of the brand. So who's there to complain about now? Ultimo, who even Rey couldn't get a good match out of this past week?

I assume Spanky and London, as a team, goes "balls out" on the house show circuit to get the crowds pumped. Working in the ROH environment, they've learned to put out the best exhibition of wrestling that they can. Thing is, their new company goes out four times a week (with weekly TV tapings), so they're still learning on how to "hold back" on the house show audience. Maybe it isn't the agent's position to say so, but they're just trying to prevent the younger guys from the risks of injuries. Just my opinion.

Kidman hasn't been doing anything relatively dangerous on television. My point was - why would the agents (or higher-ups) ask him to tone down his television style, as weak as it is, on top of his house show style?

Kidman hasn't used anything relatively "dangerous" on television since his return (save for the planchas he did back in July). He also moves like molasses (for a cruiserweight), considering he's put on 25-30 pounds since his injury. *double blink* W-w-w-w-what? Uhh...he's done stuff relatively dangerous on television since he broke off ties with Mysterio? Maybe I haven't paid enough attention to his matches (granted, he's working Velocity exclusively now).

Kidman hasn't used anything relatively "dangerous" on television since his return (save for the planchas he did back in July). He also moves like molasses (for a cruiserweight), considering he's put on 25-30 pounds since his injury.

It's HIS DREAM to sign with the WWE. He could care less, if he's playing the role of Doink or jobbing on the B-shows. Anything more, is just great news for him. He used his London Calling AS A JOBBER in a developmental match against Matt Hardy. They're not restricting any of his moveset as of yet. He and Spanky have been finishing off opponents with a double-team manuever, because they're trying to get them over as....GASP!!!...a credible TAG TEAM. Great for missing the point entirely. They're talking about slowing down their high-flying offense at the house shows, so that the the constant string of house-show injuries are cut off at the pass.

EDIT: Double post.

... Yes, because gems like these... and this... ...are a threat to our "positions"on the board. Let's have one more for the road:

Had the Rams scored FOUR more points, I would've been the first "seven win" team. Fuck Bulger.

Edge temporarily paralyzed the guy, when his legs "slammed" onto Perez/Castillo's neck. It's fine for Edge to pull off a regular hurricanrana, but an over-the-top one? It wasn't a cushioned hurricanrana at all, considering Edge is nearly 240 pounds. It was a freak accident based on Edge's weight and the logic of doing that move without risking injury.

But Neidhart teamed up with Owen, once Owen turned heel.

Hasn't Heidenreich been in UPW and OVW for a while? Nathan Jones was another story - he was put on WWE TV out of the gate, after working only a few shows with WWA.

Batista injured someone? And by injuring someone, does that necessarily make them a bad worker? Edge injured Miguel Perez, Jr.(?) in his WWE debut match as well.

It's a PAL-only (aka UK-only) "Attitude Era" release.

NEW extras announced for the Flair DVD: Anyone care to shed light on these new extras, if you remember seeing them? I.E. - I have NO IDEA on how Flair debuted in the WWF in 1991 (besides the Heenan segments leading up to, and following Summerslam).

WWE -Bruno Sammartino -"Superstar" Billy Graham -Andre the Giant -Hulk Hogan -Randy Savage -Bret "Hitman" Hart -Shawn Michaels -The Undertaker -Stone Cold Steve Austin -The Rock WCW (not NWA) -Ric Flair -Sting -Vader -Lex Luger -Rick Steiner -Scott Steiner -Hulk Hogan -Scott Hall -Kevin Nash -Goldberg

Don't forget the Road Warriors. I thought it was a missile dropkick.

Anything from this list, would be nice before the end of the year: ESPN NBA Basketball. Manhunt. SSX 3. Tony Hawk: Underground. True Crime: Streets of L.A.

Not really, because it would establish Benoit as a legitimate contender. If he takes the job at the hands of Lesnar, why is Lesnar going to agree to facing Benoit? They'yre already building Benoit as a legitimate contender, beginning with the Smackdown show last week. He single-handedly takes out Cena and Train in their tag match, then comes out during the main event to make the save against Lesnar/Show. Who knows what they're planning to do with the next set of shows, to build up the contestants for the match. If Lesnar wins by nefarious means, that's the catalyst for Benoit's "you're nothing, you don't deserve that belt" feud.

Why give Benoit the win here? Beating Lesnar out of the gate of their feud, takes the wind out of any feud that they may have. Have Lesnar cheat to win. Use the F-5 reversal as the finish to their possible title match.

Fucking bullshit. And by bullshit, I mean travesty. And by travesty, I mean someone claim the Rams soon, so we don't have to deal with this problem.

So...win or lose?