Some understanding.............

[Guest Dangerous A]

I was motivated to post this after reading the thread by Rob Johnstone asking why did people like or not like him. I wanted to get a thread going about HHHaters and understanding them. Awhile ago I used to lump all the posters who hated HHH as AWO members and thought all Angle fans here had to hate HHH etc. Then one night Alfdogg and I had some back and forth banter and I discovered someone who was a HHHater, but not because of his love for Angle or Jericho. He just didn't like the guy from day one. Now there are HHHaters who just started to HHHate from January 7, 2002 and it seems that everyday a new HHHater is born. Some of that stems from what they hear on this board. Some of it from what they hear on the net. I even think that some of the HHHaters do it to have the cool looking HHHaters pic with their sig. I have to say after being a part of this board since Sept. that most of the HHHaters have their own personal reasons for their hate.

 

My point is to try not to shit all over a HHHater until you've heard their case. I am not a HHHater. I choose to vent my frustration to the man who can put a stop to any and all politcal games and stupid shit that goes on in the back, Vince McMahon. I say try rationally talking to a HHHater. You'll see that most of them are fairly reasonable. Hell, even Anglesault, who has arguably the hardest head of the HHHaters will listen to you if you come correct. I should know, I've done it. I still won't agree with him all the time, probrably most of the time. But then, what kind of fun would that be? And isn't that why most of us are here? Because we find posting our thoughts and opinions with others about something we all love is fun. If it isn't fun, you can simply walk away from the keyboard.

[Guest M Nyland]

well.....how can I start this....

 

When HHH first came into the WW_, he was a Greenwich snob that had no respect for anyone because he thought he was better than everyone else (this becomes important later)....he became friends with the Kliq and thus was the one punished for the MSG incident (which I think anyone in the WW_ should have gotten punished if they would have done that in 1996) Nowadays, kayfabe is nothing more than a term that is thrown around at will and doesn't has to be used in order for someone to get themselves over with a crowd(see: Steve Austin and The Rock's SD! duet).

 

So HHH came back from his punishment as soon became a part of DX, a group that almost personified the "Attitude" era of the WW_...they went from hated to loved and back...they were the nWo of the WW_. Sure they provided us with memorable moments but they also did their best to make sure they looked better than everyone else (i smell a trend) almost constantly.

 

So then HBK leaves and HHH comes back with DX version 2.0, with Xpac and the NAO. Now the NAO where never really in with the Kliq but they benefited from it becoming multi-time tag champs when the two men combined have about as much talent as RVD with no legs.

 

So we go through a few years of the second DX and in the middle of it, Test comes along. Loving, caring TEST. Ya see, Test liked Stephanie McMahon, and after a LONG drawn out feud for her hand in marriage...he finally gets his wish.

 

But on November 29th, 1999 (I still have this on tape), Test's first (but not last) push is destroyed by HHH, all in furthering the DX/McMahon storyline and making Test look like a piece of crap compared to what he once was. HHH gets the better of an up-and-coming "star" once again and looks better than him in the process (and the trend continues)

 

Triple H also has won a King In The Ring way before all this, putting him over as the announcers shill how much better he was than 15 or so other people (which they do for everyone anyway....so it's a moot point).

 

Then came 2000...The Year of the H...where everything seemed to revolve around his ego. He became the first heel to ever have such a dominating win at Wrestlemania, finally finishing Foley's career (yes, Foley volunteered...we GET IT) and going over two others to cement his place COMPLETELY and FOREVER in the Main Event scene. He keeps this up until....

 

Canadian Violence Connection vs. Two Man Power Trip. The injury of all injuries occurs as HHH tears his quad all to hell while trying to smack Chris Jericho in the head with a sledgehammer. Prior to this meeting Trips had destroyed Jeff Hardy in about 5 minutes for a title he didn't need but Jeff could have used to...ya know...elevate himself...something he is only now getting around to with help from the 2nd least likely person...the Undertaker.

 

Triple H got hurt....we take pity on him and they show footage of surgery and recovery, keeping him fresh in our minds so when he comes back we will be ready. Why couldn't Benoit get that kind of treatment outside of the Ross Report?

 

This all leads up to January 7th, 2002...Hyped like CRAZY and as HHH walks out on the ramp the crowd goes INSANE because "oh my god he is back!"......he has seemingly expanded up to a new and improzed size and wants into the Royal Rumble...a match that he had no business winning in the first place (I think it would have been great for RVD or Kurt Angle...but RVD literally DIED after a HHH pedigree)

 

So our good buddy Triple H is the winner of the Rumble....and thus made himself look better than everyone else AGAIN and then going on to Wrestlemania to beat Chris Jericho for the Undisputed Championship. While Jericho had to cheat on numerous occasions to pull out wins....HHH seemingly won the match with ease. He would later lose it to Hulk Hogan but that is nothing special. Everyone and their mother knew that Hogan was gonna get one last run anyway. My SPECULATION is that HHH just said "lets give it to him now so I can get it back later"

 

Triple H has spend his time since Wrestlemania thumping down on everyone in his path, winning in 1 on 5+ situations and winning matches that he had no business winning (HIAC) and making himself look like a demigod in the process.....a trend that will continue to follow him throughout the rest of his career unless Steph dumps his ass....

 

HHH went from blueblood snob that thought he was better than everyone else to an alledgedly roided up monster who thinks he is THAT DAMN GOOD (read: better than everyone else) ........

 

 

If I had a huge ego...I would name it HHH...

[Guest Incandenza]

M. Nyland shoots his credibility in the foot by 1) making perhaps the lamest HHH jokes in the world (particularly in his sigs), and 2) doing it constantly, even in the fucking porno board.

 

Anyway, I have no problem with HHHate--I dislike the guy, too--but I'm goddamn sick and tired of seeing these jackasses infect a large amount of non-HHH related threads--like one on Perry Saturn--with their tired, boring bullshit. Fuck 'em.

[Guest M Nyland]

that's not nice considering I did almost shoot myself in the foot once.... hunting accident....

 

and I actually don't have any HHH jokes in my sig today.... except the one about wanting to actually be a true HHHater...if that counts...

 

and besides the post whoring in the General Chat forum I'm trying to be a bit more serious with my opinions....just a bit...

 

 

 

EDIT: Post 420......R-V-D!

[Guest alfdogg]

Another quality post from DangerousA.

 

My hat is off to you.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I'll start off by saying I don't believe in the whole "conspiracy theory' BS.

 

I'm not an HHH-hater. The only guy I actively hate is Austin, and I always have. I just despise the guy.

 

Ninety percent of this HHH-hate didn't come around until he admitted that he and Stephanie were in a real life relationship. The fact is..Triple H is an easy target. When internet favorites like Jericho, Angle, or Benoit aren't getting god-pushes..and somebody like Triple H is above curtain jerking..well..prepare for war.

 

Allright. I'm going to pick this apart.

 

So then HBK leaves and HHH comes back with DX version 2.0, with Xpac and the NAO. Now the NAO where never really in with the Kliq but they benefited from it becoming multi-time tag champs when the two men combined have about as much talent as RVD with no legs.

 

I don't hesitate to say it, but..the tag division in 1997/98/99 blew chunks. It wasn't until Edge/Christian, The Dudleys, and The Hardys really got into prominence that the tag division meant something. The NAO were over, and were a decent tag team, no matter what people say. "..about as much talent as RVD with no legs" is just a biased, meaningless statement. It made sense to put the belts on the NAO..because unlike the Headbangers, etc..they were over. That's a big thing in wrestling. Overness+Merchandise=Sales.

 

But on November 29th, 1999 (I still have this on tape), Test's first (but not last) push is destroyed by HHH, all in furthering the DX/McMahon storyline and making Test look like a piece of crap compared to what he once was. HHH gets the better of an up-and-coming "star" once again and looks better than him in the process (and the trend continues)

 

I can't say this was Triple H's fault. More like inept booking. They were so intent on making one star, they completely ignored anyone else. They've done this for YEARS.

 

Then came 2000...The Year of the H...where everything seemed to revolve around his ego. He became the first heel to ever have such a dominating win at Wrestlemania, finally finishing Foley's career (yes, Foley volunteered...we GET IT) and going over two others to cement his place COMPLETELY and FOREVER in the Main Event scene. He keeps this up until....

 

Austin basically put out Hart and Michaels to cement his. It's again, something that's been done before. The only person (I think) not to put anyone out was The Rock..because he reached his spot due to mass popularity.

 

Triple H got hurt....we take pity on him and they show footage of surgery and recovery, keeping him fresh in our minds so when he comes back we will be ready. Why couldn't Benoit get that kind of treatment outside of the Ross Report?

 

Benoit isn't nearly the player Triple H is, all internet bias inflating his worth aside. Trips was still much higher on the card than Benoit was. It's not "holding him down", it's just the fact midcarders don't get much hype when they're injured.

 

and wants into the Royal Rumble...a match that he had no business winning in the first place (I think it would have been great for RVD or Kurt Angle...but RVD literally DIED after a HHH pedigree)

 

Like it or not, he won. Vince has won before. Austin won a good three times. None of THEM really needed it, but did anybody bitch except in Vince's case? No.

 

So our good buddy Triple H is the winner of the Rumble....and thus made himself look better than everyone else AGAIN and then going on to Wrestlemania to beat Chris Jericho for the Undisputed Championship. While Jericho had to cheat on numerous occasions to pull out wins....HHH seemingly won the match with ease. He would later lose it to Hulk Hogan but that is nothing special. Everyone and their mother knew that Hogan was gonna get one last run anyway. My SPECULATION is that HHH just said "lets give it to him now so I can get it back later"

 

Here's a thought. Jericho was booked..get his..as a cowardly heel. Don't they..y'know..cheat? Granted, he didn't win cleanly often. That wasn't Trips' fault, it was inept booking.

 

So what if he did? Nobody likes volunarily losing something that important.

 

Triple H has spend his time since Wrestlemania thumping down on everyone in his path, winning in 1 on 5+ situations and winning matches that he had no business winning (HIAC) and making himself look like a demigod in the process.....a trend that will continue to follow him throughout the rest of his career unless Steph dumps his ass....

 

Allright. So he beats people around too much. He's the "invincible face". Austin did that for four or so years, and I didn't hear anybody throwing "Well, he was sleeping with the writer.." comments. Trips is just an easy target, as I've said. If it was Chris "God" Benoit, there wouldn't be half the complaints.

 

Guess what? Over half the roster..hell..half the people in wrestling..make themselves "look good". It's been in wrestling for ages. While people like HBK and Flair make themselves look good by bumping their ass off..people like Austin and HHH make themselves look good by annihilating everybody else. You want to blame somebody? Blame Vince. Blame the writers. Blame the bookers.

 

Just get some actual arguments other than "Well, he's banging Steph..waah, waah, waah.."

 

Nobody cares about the basless accusations. The bashing has to stop. The stupidity has to stop. I ask anybody to keep their hatred reasonable in folders outside of No Holds Barred.

 

All the Triple H/Steph and Bradshaw/Baby oil and Test/Shane jokes just need to curl up and die.

 

-Shiro

[Guest M Nyland]

At least I tried to back up my thoughts up....even if they were skewed all to hell...

 

Ya know...even if I don't like the guy....I'll stop with the jokes...

 

I've come to the realization that the only way someone wouldn't get flamed on this board is if they were an actual WW_ wrestler that could tell the actual truth and not the SPECULATION~! that is thrown around here.

 

I'm still a HHHater...just because what he is doing is overkill...their are only 3 positions...OVER and NOT OVER.......once you are OVER it's hard to go back to NOT OVER (i'm sure there are exceptions)....so Triple H should just calm down and let the fans cheer/boo him until their throats are sore

 

I never made many Test/Shane jokes other than "Test isn't over" type stuff......and I think that the Bradshaw stuff is a bit overdone too...

 

I used to do "You can't spell Abilene Christian without 'anal'..." ...but I've given up on it...

 

 

Sadly...I think if we got rid of ALL the jokes...this message board would become boring......Alot of our opinions over lap so posts would just be people simply agreeing or disagreeing with each other with no room for real fun arguments and change...

 

 

Admit it....the Arguments are FUN

[Guest Downhome]

To HHHate or not to HHHate, THAT is the question...

 

...if anyone HHHates HHH simply because "everyone else does", then I find that unusually sad. I've never been one to care for any such band wagon myself, much less one in the sport of Pro. Wrestling. So, I come to my own conclusions, my own idea, and my own reasons to either hate not to hate someone. In this case we're talking about HHH, so allow me to go there.

 

First off, I do NOT like HHH, and yes I am one of those people who began to not like him on January 7, 2002. However, my reasons have nothing to do with anything he may or may not be a part of backstage or because "everyone else" all of a sudden dislike him. Oh no, MY reason for all of a sudden turning on HHH is simply because I DESPISE his ring work, his character, his angles, and everything else about him that I've seen on TV from him since he debuted. I do not need someone to tell me he sucks right now, as I am more than able to reach that conclusion all by my little lonesome.

 

I look at him as a character lost in 2000/2001, except this time he is being forced to act like a face. In the ring, he still basicly tries to cut heelish promo's on the heels, he still looks and has the manerisms as he did when he was a heel, etc... and it just sickens me. His current character right now is just, well, one of which I despise. If he's going to be a heel, then damnit, do it the way that you showed us all that you can do it. The intense, take no sh*t from no one, you don't have to cheat to win because you're that bad of a bad ass bastard, I can cut a heel promo that kicks your ass heel. Then on the other side, if you are going to be a face then be the care free, go against the grain, all the rules can go to hell, I make the fans like me just because I'm that crazy of a mother f*cker face.

 

There is no middle ground for HHH that we have so sadly discovered. He either needs to just be a face as he was years ago, or he needs to be the heel that he proved that he could be. In my eyes, he is one of the all time greatest heels when he f*cking does it right, so damnit HHH, DO IT F'N RIGHT. Vince, WWE, or whoever, you best as hell have HHH join the nWo and NOT make him be a face to fight them. Because if you do, it's just going to be that much more of a pile of ape feces, and I am not in the mood to watch any more of that.

 

Oh yes, don't get me started on HHH's in ring work since he returned. Although all blame can't fall on him as he came back before he was ready, he's been forced to work when otherwise he wouldn't have to because of the current condition in Pro. Wrestling, etc... I just hope this time, he comes back injury free, because untill he does that, he'll still pull out lackluster, I could care less about the match, I better not try to be TOO good today for fear of yet ANOTHER injury matches.

 

So yeah, I dislike HHH right now, but it's not because of ANYTHING he does or doesn't do backstage. Oh no, it's because I just hate his character and matches right now, that's all. Call me crazy, but I don't see what goes on backstage, and I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks about anything...

 

...because I like what I like, and I hate what I hate, period.

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Exactly, downhome.

 

As long as it's not on TV (and dosen't affect my wrestling matches) I could care less if they're beating the hell out of each other for real backstage, or what.

 

I'm the kind of person that needs concrete proof before I believe something like that.

 

-Shiro

[Guest M Nyland]

Downhome...that was one of the most coherent posts about HHH I've ever seen...

 

 

 

you deserve a gold star!

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

DA once again brings some intelligence to the board and I wholeheartedly agree with him. Guys like Alfdogg, Superstar, and Flyboy maybe HHHaters, but at least they are intelligent and don't beat people over the head with their beliefs. Hell, I've admitted time and time again(maybe a bit too much though) that I am an RVD hater. I think it was Flyboy who asked me why(may have been someone else though, not sure), I told him and we a nice little discussion about it. Shit, we don't have to agree to spark up good arguments/debates.

 

I love having a nice spirited debate with logic(kinda like the HHH discussion I had with someone a while back in the WWE folder which DIDN'T degenerate into the usual) because it offers valuable insight even if the two people don't agree.

 

Really, that's what this board needs again because there can only be so many intensity, Steph, roid jokes about HHH before it starts to actively turn off people who can contribute quality discussions on the board.

 

 

Well, again, I think my point may have gotten lost in there... dammit. Anyways, I concur with DA's statement about not judging the HHHaters until you actually get to know them a bit better.

[Guest M Nyland]

see...we learned something today....don't judge other lest ye be judged...

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Damn, everyone's bringin' the content in this thread. I like it.

[Guest Downhome]

Exactly, downhome.

 

As long as it's not on TV (and dosen't affect my wrestling matches) I could care less if they're beating the hell out of each other for real backstage, or what.

 

I'm the kind of person that needs concrete proof before I believe something like that.

 

-Shiro

Now don't get me wrong, I do not TOTALLY ignore what goes on backstage. I just need some proof, like a valid web site reporting that something happened FOR SURE. I do not just go on theories and hear say and rumors posted by guys no better than me on a message board. If a valid website comes out and says so and so refused to job, or so and so did this or that then I can get pissed. I am the kind of guy who feels that you best damn well do your job when asked of you, regardless of how you personally feel and whatnot.

 

Downhome...that was one of the most coherent posts about HHH I've ever seen...

 

 

 

you deserve a gold star!

 

Woohoo!

[Guest M Nyland]

is it just me....or does anyone else feel that a change will probably be soon coming to the forums.

 

Everyone is starting to agree about all the crap that we have been dishing out at each other....and people are starting to make sense again....

 

 

Actually...I don't see it lasting very long...but PROVE ME WRONG...

[Guest the pinjockey]

My big problem with HHH besides the fact he has not been good at all in the ring since his return is what he would do to Jericho in his promos. Mick Foley talked in his book about the importance of selling in promos. When he "turned into" Cactus Jack he stated how important it was that HHH did not just laugh it off he sold it like he saw a ghost and it made the angle. How many promos did Jericho and HHH have where HHH did not have a huge smart-ass smirk on his face. And his gimmick, previously covered, is the kick-ass heel not the smart-ass heel so he has no reason to be smirking. All he did was undermine any point the Jericho would be trying to get across then HHH would smirk, say "You are not in my league, and that would be the end of it. You can argue that HHH does not hold Jericho down in the back (I don't agree but I respect your opinion on it since noone can claim for certain), but doing stuff like that cut off a push at the knees and that can be shown as a fact through the video tape.

[Guest M Nyland]

......and that can be shown as a fact through the video tape.

that's just the kind of evidence that we need to prove if something is wrong...

 

I need to start *gasp* paying attention to HHH promos again...

[Guest caboose]

Well since I really got back into wrestling aroun late 1996, I didn't pay much attention to Triple H.

Even after his King Of The Ring win, he didn't really manage a blip on my wrestling radar. He just seemd to me another standard worker who the managment fancied over others for some reason.

It wasn't until the whole dX thing started that I began noticing the fact that Triple H had something that stood him out from the crowd.

The something? It was a personality.

It was also around this time that I started becoming a smark. I didn't post my opinion about things, I just sort of read what evryone said.

I was still a bit of a mark, and my favourite wrestler had been Sting for a long time. My hatred towards individual wrestler's outside of the ring started with the whole Hogan/Sting Starrcade hullabaloo.

Back to Triple H.

At the time he started to seem interesting to me was when he began appearing on camera with HBK. I love HBK the character and wrestler.

So Triple H was getting the rub from HBK as it were. Triple H remained an interesting character with the dX skits and the jokes.

But even during this time, I hated Triple H in the ring. He sucked in my opinion. He was boring to watch, he had a moveset totalling 4 moves, 3 with his knee, and the Pedigree, which has always been a good finisher.

He worked generic matches which really didn't appeal to me.

It was when dX turned face that I really started disliking Triple H the character. His ringwork still didn't appeal to me, and his obnoxious character was really just childish. Some skits made me laugh, but I was generally down on Triple H from WM14 to WM15.

A lot of that may have to do with the fact that I was a mark for The Rock's Nation and I started marking for D-Lo Brown.

After WM15 and the corporate turn, I hated Triple H the character in the way I should, like mark. He was damn annoying an evil son of a bitch. He took out Foley in the summer of 1999, and Rocky was still cooler.

But I did notice Triple H's matches getting better. Maybe this was due to him playing Heel. His 'Game' character meant he could dominate matches, and it suited him more than selling as a Face for the Heel.

But it appeared he was making an effort with his ringwork and physique.

I joked with my friends he bled Juice, but still a lot of effort would go into resculpting your body as he did.

When he started feuding with Vince he was still lacking that something for me though. Something that would push him over the top. So when Steph turned, I was sold on 'The Game's' persona. He would do anything to get the job done. Anything. This type of character is appealing to me, because it's the character of a winner.

Anyway Triple H's ring work got better all through 2000, even though I found his matches with Foley over rated in my opinion, and I plain didn't like the Angle and benoit matches. I don't know why. His work with Rocky and Jericho through the summer was different. The matches were brawls, but they had energy, and they had excitement.

In my opinion, I put this down to Triple H being a good worker at the time, but he needs someone who brings total enegy to the match like Jericho or Rocky. I'm not saying Angle or Benoit don't have energy, they have ironically enough Intensity.

Anyway, his 2000/2001 Austin work was hit and miss for me, and the Taker/Kane work bored me stiff. However the charcter of Tripl H had completely stopped dead in developement.

In late 2000 he was developing a human side to his cold calculating persona. While the revelation that it was his plan to take out Austin made sense. It was a backward step.

So by the time Triple H got injured against Benoit/Jericho in THAT tag match, Triple H had once again become less deserving of my attention.

But THAT match was good, and for continuing the match made me respect the man Paul Levesque.

However upon his return, I did not but the hype. He was being played up as a big Face. I t wasn't Triple H, the last time he was a fully fledged Face, he bored me.

Anyway without me recapping the last 6 months I'll tell you why i'm a HHHater.

Since his return he has not shown a change in chararacter. His in-ring work is not what it once was. Not even close.

But the reason I hate Triple H th most now, is because I know he has the ability and backstage stroke to HELP wrestlers. He has the ability to put over and ensure the future of the WWF's talent.

But he doesn't.

He continues to play a character he can't, a simple double turn for himself and Jericho would benefit the company so much more.

I don't hate him because he holds people down with talent.

I hate him because he doesn't HELP the people with talent, when he could, and perhaps SHOULD.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Just to add to my previous post. When HHH did that promo with Edge when Edge was being serious HHH did not have the smirk on his face. This to me shows that he was not doing a gimmick with Jericho but rather picking the spots where he felt like doing it.

[Guest Austin3164life]

This is, finally, one of the most coherent threads on this board that I have seen today. In an age filled with intense criticism, one must look back and analyze the reasoning for this harsh verbal bashing toward Triple H, the Game.

 

Before you start thinking of flaming me or taking verbal shots at me, let me just get to what I am trying to say. Triple H was one of the hardest working athletes in the WWF, and in 2000-01 he was the most dominant figure in sports entertainment. We all know and mostly respect that fact, because Triple H was a hard worker and could carry himself in a match well with anyone. The quadrecep injury changed his mobility, style, and ultimately his persona. Since his return was so hyped, it was obvious he was coming back as a face. I have to admit too, since I am a Triple H mark (for the 2000 triple H), I marked out when he came back looking like a monster. Then I began to see what kind of a babyface he was. He isn't a good one, I'll assure you that. However, one must contemplate on the level of hatred generated from these forums in the direction of one man, Triple H. It seems that the AWO, led indefinitely by Anglesault, has created a sort of cult-like following called "HHHating'. There is no way I'm going to jump on a bandwagon simply to please the crowd. All of this 'HHHating", to me, is a quick outlet for some of the lesser noticed posters to garner attention for themselves. Hey, I respect the fact that some people hate Triple H, because I, for one, hate some wrestlers too. Yet I have not cultivated a following against that certain wrestler based on outlandish assumptions caused by the internet wrestling media. If I see symptoms of Triple H playing politics on television, then that's when I will believe he is the Politician of the WWE. Sure, I have my own assumptions as well as to what he does backstage, but it's getting to the point that if you want to become a member of this forum, you have to hate Triple H, or you will be the subject of harsh flame posts from the likes of Anglesault, BPS21 (unlikely but maybe), Alfdogg, and some others. HHHating is something that started out as a comedic gesture, but now has spawned into a cult following that is seemingly endless. Do I like Triple H right now like I used to? Oh hell no. Do I hate Triple H to the point where I am wishing for him to sustain a "retirement" injury? Oh Hell no, once again. My reasons for disliking the man are plain and simple. He's immobile and he is not a good babyface player. Whether or not he plays the politician, I probably wont know because I'm not a part of the WWE locker room. HHHating is fine and all, because it's ok to hate someone for a reason, but the way it's going it's becoming the norm and it's becoming forced upon some people. Things like this should be kept in check........

[Guest the pinjockey]

Does anybody else find it funny that we are all happy about the fact there is a coherant non-flaming thread about HHHating (why? when? etc..) yet it is in the No Holds Barred folder when threads consisting of constant flaming are in the regular WWF thread?

[Guest Dangerous A]

I posted it here in case of flaming to the original post. I am very pleased with the responses. Way to go guys!

[Guest M Nyland]

I don't hate him because he holds people down with talent.

I hate him because he doesn't HELP the people with talent, when he could, and perhaps SHOULD.

DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER~!

[Guest caboose]

What do you mean we have a winner?

[Guest M Nyland]

that is basically the ONLY reason anyone should hate him....he has the power and stroke to get the midcarders (or others) over and he just doesn't do it....

 

 

who was the last person he really helped get over anyway?

[Guest caboose]

Gotcha.

That is my point.

[Guest M Nyland]

it's sad...but I think I can be pretty coherent if I actually be serious...

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I don't hate him because he holds people down with talent.

I hate him because he doesn't HELP the people with talent, when he could, and perhaps SHOULD.

I kinda feel the same way about Rock. Before I get flamed into the eternal pit of Hell, let me explain...

 

Everyone's always quick to point out how Rock helped put Jericho over, but how come no one mentions how he essentially buried Booker T? I'm not saying Rock did it on purpose, but come on... he could have at least said SOMETHING to Vince. I know SummerSlam was Rock's big return to PPV, so while I was pissed that Booker had to job, it was understandable, BUT what they did after that match just outright pissed me off to levels that I hadn't been at since WM 9's main event. Booker was NEVER made to look strong throughtout the entire feud, was constantly humiliated, and ALWAYS jobbed(I don't even count that abortion that they had on Smackdown). He was made to look even weaker by needing Shane to tag with him in a handicap match at Unforgiven and STILL jobbed which is when I started really resenting The Rock.

 

I know it's a minor thing, but it still irritates the fuck out of me to this day.

[Guest M Nyland]

That's another valid point...courtesy of APO

 

I think everyone is guilty of it at least once or twice in their careers......can it be looked upon in the bookers and writers standpoint. Rock could have said "well I think....." and they probably would have listened to him...

 

so yeah...another good point...

[Guest the pinjockey]

I don't hate him because he holds people down with talent.

I hate him because he doesn't HELP the people with talent, when he could, and perhaps SHOULD.

I kinda feel the same way about Rock. Before I get flamed into the eternal pit of Hell, let me explain...

 

Everyone's always quick to point out how Rock helped put Jericho over, but how come no one mentions how he essentially buried Booker T? I'm not saying Rock did it on purpose, but come on... he could have at least said SOMETHING to Vince. I know SummerSlam was Rock's big return to PPV, so while I was pissed that Booker had to job, it was understandable, BUT what they did after that match just outright pissed me off to levels that I hadn't been at since WM 9's main event. Booker was NEVER made to look strong throughtout the entire feud, was constantly humiliated, and ALWAYS jobbed(I don't even count that abortion that they had on Smackdown). He was made to look even weaker by needing Shane to tag with him in a handicap match at Unforgiven and STILL jobbed which is when I started really resenting The Rock.

 

I know it's a minor thing, but it still irritates the fuck out of me to this day.

Damn you damn you to the eternal pit of hell.

 

I see what you are saying and agree to a point he could have given Booker at least a little in some promo. But the whole invasion angle was an abortion that Vince was never going to let WCW get any non-mcmahon related heat so I don't know how much can be attributed to Rock.