Some understanding.............

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

So...the one intelligent therad on the forum...happens to be about HHHating...and was finally ruined...by a NON HHHATER?

 

Oh sweet irony.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Hey hey HEY.

 

Don't look at me.

 

*points to dreamer420*

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I don't see the point of "clubs" in this matter. Why not just dislike HHH and be your own person? Why join the AWO or the HHHaters or the HHHaters Haters to begin with? What is the point of an RVD/Storm revolution? What's the point of any of it?

 

I think I've come to understand and respect some people on this board more because of this thread, but what I'll never understand is the constant need for people to join clubs, groups, or what have you to feel accepted. Who the fuck wants to be unified by the fact that they hate someone? There are many things I can accept about a message board, but Facism is not one of them.

 

Doesn't anyone in this world think for themselves anymore? Damn brain-washed imbeciles....

[Guest RobJohnstone]

word chosyu, I don't think alot of them do.....

 

--Rob

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

And Rob Stone fails to consider that simply agreeing with and not adding anything to chosyu's words...makes him guilty of being a Brain-washed imbecile as well.

 

Oh sweet irony.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

a flame bait, how nice. BPS, I did not toss his salad, I did not make a banner about what he said and have it everytime I post, I did not start a group worshipping him, I agreed to one statement of his that I have made many times over. You compare apples to oranges pal, always

 

--Rob

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"a flame bait, how nice. BPS"

 

This is the no holds barred forum....

 

oh...

 

perhaps Chosyu didn't spell that out for you too...

 

sheep.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

yes I am sheep, your right, I don't need to reply anymore. BAAaaaaaahhhh

 

--Rob

[Guest Some Guy]

Good post Dangerous A. AS's first post in the thread is probably the best from him I've seen and BPS's was good as usual.

 

Ok, my take on HHH: I disliked him in 96 and 97 (save the matches with Foley) until he joined DX. Being a *HUGE* HBK mark I started to like him by association. I still thought his ring work and mic skills were weak but I liked him. Then he got DX and started to dislike him somewhat. He just annoyed me, the gimmick from him seemed very forced and "Let's get ready to suck it" was corny to say the least. Road Dogg carried the mic work for DX and X Pac the ring work.

Then the big and illadvised heel turn at WM 15 came about an he just did not get over or do anything spectatular and was still shoved by the WWF. He got put over Rock, Foley (for the title), and then Austin and was still not nearly over enough for the title. So they reunite DX, still didn't work. So then they decide to throw away an entire summer and fall long push for the promising (at the time) Test and have HHH steal his woman, beat the shit out of Vince for 35 min, and make Test look horrible, thus killing any heat he had developed during the Shane feud. HHH would go on to squash Test a few more times on TV just to make sure that he would never draw heat without saying "America Sucks!"

So then HHH gets over after a 6 month shove and making Vince and Test his personal bitches and beating Austin, Rock, and Foley. HHH gets to mercy kill Big Show's title run and then when it made sence to have him lose to Cactus Jask at RR and then end his carreer at NWO, he won both matches. Then he got to be the first heel to win at WM, it took Austin running in and hitting HHH witha chair to job the title to Rock, who promptly lost it back to him in an Iron Man match. Then at KOTR Rock beats Vince?! for the title to get it off of HHH.

He did one job on PPV in 2000, if I recall correctly. That's a little bit crazy IMO. But he was putting on great matches so I let it slide.

The Jeff Hardy situation and making himself look better than Austin after the 2001 heel turn bothered me more.

Then the big injury and the return and all the shit he's done since have really turned me off even further.

If he started reeling off **** matches again I would forget about all the other shit and watch and enjoy his matches and ignore his promos and the backstage stuff. That's how HBK gets a free ride from me.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Christ, I see a perfectly good thread, I go to work, I come back and the thread has turned into the usual flame baiting, bickering shit. Goddamnit.

[Guest Some Guy]

Were you refering to my post or the stuff from page 3 until it?

[Guest the pinjockey]

Before your post.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I blame HHH.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Guest evenflowDDT]

What happened to the thread? Oh well, at least Some Guy still put a well-thought out post on this page. I worked long and hard on my post, and I don't want to see the thread go to hell now. I guess there's no helping that though, I mean this IS the No Holds Barred folder after all...

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

I planned a pretty long rant about why I don't like HHH but also why I didn't see the point in wasting board space complaining about the guy. But I was unsure if the post would fit seeing as how the thread has changed direction.

 

Maybe tomorrow.

[Guest El Satanico]

I haven't ever really behaved like the HHHaters around here, but in fact i'm also a HHHater.

 

I'm not a new HHHater or a HHHater follower i'm a from day one HHHater. Ever since i started back on wrestling around 96 i've either been indifferent towards HHH or i have hated him.

 

At first he was a Blue Blood and didn't matter so i was indifferent. Then he went DX and i will admit i was a DX fan(until the new age outlaws joined), but i was still indifferent towards H3. At the point of him leaving DX i really didn't give a shit about him. At some point he was a face and i really couldn't stand him at that time.

 

THEN the push H3 to the moon era arrived and this is when i turned into a semi HHHater. WWeee just shoved him down our throats and it didn't matter how silent the crowds were towards him. And they just kept on shoving him down our throats so hard that the crowds finally had to swallow it or would've choked on it. By the time he finally got over i was so friggin sick of him i became a full HHHater. Then he became a heel and was watchable and was alot better then when he was face but i still didn't care for him.

 

I personally don't even see why people loved HHH so much during his supposed "golden era". These "*****" matches of his weren't even anything that amazing. Yeah his matches with Foley were good but Foley "bumping" his ass off was the only reason why as HHH didn't do much but beat the shit out of Foley. Foley matches have the problem alot where the only reason it was good because Foley "bumps" like a mad man. I'm not disrespecting what Foley has done just saying that his opponents rarely give as much to the match as Foley does.

 

My full opinion on HHH is...

 

He's a decent at best wrestler who worked hard(before his injury) in his matches to cover up that he isn't that great of a wrestler(kinda like DDP). He could get a good match if all the cards fell into place but i doubt he could carry a match to being good. Also he's horrid on the mic and hasn't improved.

 

I don't dweel on the backstage happenings and don't pretend to know about them. However it's still kinda stupid for nonHHHaters to claim that he has no backstage power when legit sites have shown that he does possess some power.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Well there goes my long rant. Satanico, you basically just posted what I was going for. I feel the exact same way.

[Guest dreamer420]

come on. it's a hhh thread so how could not go straight to hell. enjoy.

[Guest MrRant]

I'm suprised there is no pro-Angle or RVD threads... wait... every goddamn HHH thread turns into that.

[Guest Cerebus The Aardvark]

I don't see the point of "clubs" in this matter. Why not just dislike HHH and be your own person? Why join the AWO or the HHHaters or the HHHaters Haters to begin with?

 

Because posting cliques are all the rage. Didn't you get the memo?

 

As for HHH...blah. He's boring on the mic, and post-injury has been boring in the ring. That's all I really give a damn about. Let everyone else pretend they sit in on booking meetings or whatever. Yes, there is evidence that shows that HHH is guilty of politicking, but that is to be expected.

 

That is all.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Well, since I broke up the HHHater asskissing and essentially helped in wrecking the thread, I'll throw in my two cents on Helmsley and try to put things back on track.

 

I think it's almost unanimous that Triple H was one of the hottest things going in the first half of 2000. He had two of the best feuds out there with Mick Foley and the Rock and was generally lighting up the main event with a credible workrate that would eventually become the watered-down blech that is "WWE Main Event Brawling" style. Ratings weren't quite what they were in 1998-99, but the first half of the "Year of Triple H" provided steady entertainment for casual fans and, amazingly, spectacular matches for the hardcore fans.

 

But the cracks started to show...only about two years ago, at King of the Ring.

 

The Rock, who had been feuding with Triple H for most of the last two years without getting a win, was facing Triple H, Shane, and Vince with the Brothers of Destruction. Trip's World Title was on the line and The Rock would win the coveted title...by pinning VINCE. For a couple of people, the HHHating actually began here, but at this time, much of the internet, including CRZ, insisted on comparing Triple H to Ric Flair, calling him the "new man" since he had seemingly carried the company on his back after Russo had left.

 

It quickly began hard to argue, though, as Triple H and Jericho combined for a MOTYC at Fully Loaded and Triple H would actually "lay down" for Rock at SummerSlam...albeit with another competitor.

 

Kurt Angle.

 

One of the main storylines during the summer of 2000 was the sizzling love triangle between Angle, Triple H, and Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley. There was some amazing heat going for this feud, even though the buildup could have been snatched from any afternoon soap opera. And the big blowoff was at Unforgiven...

 

...where Triple H went over Angle quite decisively, with Steph nutshotting him and giving Trips a huge, sloppy kiss to rub it in. It was one of the worst blowoffs to a feud (at that time - the WWE quickly made up for that later on) and it caught people's attention.

 

Speculation about Triple H and Stephanie being a real couple turned into rumor and then hardcore suspicion when Triple H went over Benoit at the next PPV. In Trips' defense, it was a great near-MOTYC match, but the skepticism began to grow - it appeared that nobody was going to get one up on Triple H.

 

At the next PPV, Triple H no-sold death.

 

Steve Austin dropped Triple H's car from a crane and Triple H promptly showed up the same week, with nary a scratch. Now I had just started watching wrestling again - yeah, I had actually boycotted through most of 2000 after I had seen Vince McMahon in a PPV main event...silly me - and I wasn't really impressed. It should also be noted that while Helmsley was "sparring" with Austin, Kurt Angle was being made into a huge fool as World Champion, using twin brothers to outmaneuver the Undertaker and basically embracing the role of Honky Tonk Man 2000.

 

The new year rolled around and nothing had really changed - Angle went over Triple H at Royal Rumble, but only with Austin's help. Austin and Helmsley had one of the best build-ups EVER for a PPV match, but, yet again, Trips would go over. Triple H's first clean loss in almost a YEAR would come to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania X-Seven.

 

And see, that's where my problem is.

 

All of the HHHating around here seems to be mainly focused around his less-than-stellar return, but in reality, almost all of it is akin to shooting fish in a barrel and it's extreeeeemely old hat. It's not like Triple H wasn't maneuvering around people in 2000 - no, in that year, he was "The New Man."

 

Why did everybody crank up the hatred when he came back? Because their favorite wrestlers were being "held down"?

 

Triple H came back and, to make room for him in the card, Rob Van Dam had to be depushed and Chris Jericho (the first ever Undisputed Champion) had to be downplayed. And with those two internet favorites, it could be safe to say that Trips was doomed before he even stepped in the ring.

 

And the fad somehow turned into a posting clique that actually, at one time, had three out of four members that could actually hold a coherent argument.

 

But it didn't take long until they thought that they were doing something new and the HHHaters immediately became some overly-romanticized idea that had "magically changed" the Smarkboard forever.

 

Please.

 

One let it get to his head.

One pushed his own pseudo-trolling to comical levels.

And the other two moved on...and were the wiser.

 

And while you all may think it's cool to hate on Triple H, I'd just wanted to remind you that dogging on Triple H was soooooo two years ago.

 

Sure, Triple H and Stephanie drove Jericho into the ground before Wrestlemania X-8. But who went over at Fully Loaded?

 

Sure, RVD went from feuding with the World Champion to curtain jerking with test. But who was Jericho fighting after Fully Loaded? SEAN FUCKING WALTMAN.

 

Sure, Triple H has been stinking up the ring a bit - but who the hell was he fighting in 2000? Mick Foley, The Rock, Kurt Angle, and Chris Benoit. Yep.

 

Sure, the HHHaters have made a posting career out of cracking jokes at Helmsley's expense.

 

But where were they all likely at in 2000?

 

Calling Triple H the man.

[Guest RetroRob215]

I was motivated to post this after reading the thread by Rob Johnstone asking why did people like or not like him. I wanted to get a thread going about HHHaters and understanding them. Awhile ago I used to lump all the posters who hated HHH as AWO members and thought all Angle fans here had to hate HHH etc. Then one night Alfdogg and I had some back and forth banter and I discovered someone who was a HHHater, but not because of his love for Angle or Jericho. He just didn't like the guy from day one. Now there are HHHaters who just started to HHHate from January 7, 2002 and it seems that everyday a new HHHater is born. Some of that stems from what they hear on this board. Some of it from what they hear on the net. I even think that some of the HHHaters do it to have the cool looking HHHaters pic with their sig. I have to say after being a part of this board since Sept. that most of the HHHaters have their own personal reasons for their hate.

 

My point is to try not to shit all over a HHHater until you've heard their case. I am not a HHHater. I choose to vent my frustration to the man who can put a stop to any and all politcal games and stupid shit that goes on in the back, Vince McMahon. I say try rationally talking to a HHHater. You'll see that most of them are fairly reasonable. Hell, even Anglesault, who has arguably the hardest head of the HHHaters will listen to you if you come correct. I should know, I've done it. I still won't agree with him all the time, probrably most of the time. But then, what kind of fun would that be? And isn't that why most of us are here? Because we find posting our thoughts and opinions with others about something we all love is fun. If it isn't fun, you can simply walk away from the keyboard.

I'm a step behind the rest of you guys because I wasn't on the board yesterday, but I think the original post was a very good one. Personally, I don't HATE anyone on this board, but there are some people I dislike. I don't dislike people because of the faction they belong to. Hell, off the top of my head I don't even know which posters are parts of which groups. In the end, guilt by association is stupid. If you want to (HATE)dislike someone here, don't dislike them because of what group they belong to, dislike them because of who THEY ARE.

[Guest Some Guy]

I don't see the point of "clubs" in this matter. Why not just dislike HHH and be your own person? Why join the AWO or the HHHaters or the HHHaters Haters to begin with?

 

Because posting cliques are all the rage. Didn't you get the memo?

The aWo isn't really a posting cligue, it's a take off on nWo that we use in the OAOAST thread. It's not like the HHHaters or whatever.

[Guest M Nyland]

this thread is quite the rollercoaster ride...slipping from "conversation" to "flaming" and back...I'm glad to see some semblence of order has returned...

 

and although I still HHHate......I'm not going to be overly open about it unless something extremely drastic about it...

 

and I'm a member of the RVD/Storm Revolution because they are just two guys I would like to see get pushed to the moon....everybody has guys like that....

[Guest GenerationNever]

Thing is, there are two MAIN reasons to hate Hunter.

 

1)His ring-work. This point is made worse by the fact that he COULD be a lot(two words, not one)better.

 

2)His backstage politics. Probably the main reasons why there are HHHaters. It wasn't as bad when he was putting on good matches, but without his good matches...well, y'know.

 

While I don't have the picture in my sig, I do consider myself a HHHater.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I dunno, judging from this year alone, he seems to be just another Kevin Nash. Controlling, bad in the ring, politics (if the rumors are true that it is)....

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I don't HHH-hate. I -was- behind him in 2000, when he seemingly put on decent matches non stop. However, I though the title of 'the man' for the company that time was more appropriately given to The Rock..who drew people in for shows, and kept the ratings strong. Right now, though..Trips is the ultra-lame "invincible face" that I have despised, and always will despise. There's something about guys being an underdog that makes you want to cheer for them.

 

Austin partially had it..by being outmanuvered by Vince..but always got back at him at least twice over, and stunnering ten guys in the process.

 

Rocky does it very well..which is why Trips had such a run as a heel champion. It wasn't that Trips was so 'great'..he just had an amazing foil. Add that to the fact he used to sell in his matches..(Rikishi, Snow, TAKA, etc..)..which he dosen't any more, and his ring work comes off more lacking now than anything else.

 

Except his character.

 

(edit) I don't believe the allegations of backstage politics, and I won't until something concrete comes out. I know the guys that run wrestling websites have their own biases, so I don't particularly trust them when it comes to rumors about main event guys. I know the Kliq has been majorly hated around these parts forever..so you put two and two together.

 

But I do know what I see on my TV..and he's not the same as he was. Not nearly.

[Guest Austin3164life]

HHHating is becoming a cult following (led mainly by Anglesault and BPS) and everyone seems so quick to just jump on the bandwagon. I will never do that, for I am an Underground Smark, and I stay true to my own beliefs in matters such as these.......

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Thing is, there are two MAIN reasons to hate Hunter.

 

1)His ring-work. This point is made worse by the fact that he COULD be a lot(two words, not one)better.

 

2)His backstage politics. Probably the main reasons why there are HHHaters. It wasn't as bad when he was putting on good matches, but without his good matches...well, y'know.

 

While I don't have the picture in my sig, I do consider myself a HHHater.

once again you state backstage politics like you have proof.

 

--Rob

[Guest AM The Kid]

Well, I think we have quite alot of proof.

 

-Rock mentioned backstage politics and "one guy"

-Meltzer is pretty damn informative

-Current wrestlers have spoken out against it

-Retired wrestlers are noticing it

-Frankly, it's common sence, he's a member of the Kliq, sits in on booking meetings and is banging the headbooker/owners daughter.