Some understanding.............

[Guest chirs3]

Edit: Wow, I'm late.

 

I take the backstage politics stories with a grain of salt, but I hate him solely for what he's done on-air to Jericho.

 

1) Leading to and after Wrestlemania, Triple H was in a few tag team main events on Smackdown. If anyone has a tape, go back and watch what offense Angle and Jericho get against him. It goes like this.

 

Jericho: punch, punch, chop, punch-

HHH: Jumping knee, running knee, clothesline, powerslam, suplex-

Angle: punch, punch, kick, if-i'm-lucky-a-DDT-

HHH: Running choke, clothesline, back body drop, different suplex.

 

You get the idea. This happened more than once.

 

2) He didn't need to win at WMX8, but I could see them wanting a face champion. But he had no business squishing Jericho at HIAC, which does nothing at all but devalue Jericho. Trips was already as over as he was going to be.

 

3) He and Steph got ALL the TV time leading up to 'Mania, while Jericho scooped up dog shit and then ran over the pup.

 

I don't know if HHH was behind this burial, or if it was the writers. So I don't HHHate backstage Triple H. I HHHate on-air Triple H.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I don't know if it's "common sense" as much as "easy target"..but that's me.

 

It's not just HHH..but..they seemingly haven't been serious about pushing Jericho from day one. Oh, he got a nice debut..but after that..

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I take offense to AustinHHH saying that AS and I lead the HHHAters.

 

I don't lead anyone.

 

I post what I think with reasons to back it up.

 

If anyone is to blame for "leading" the HHHAters it is HHH himself.

 

His constant failure to improve has turned more people to the HHHaters than anything any one or two posters ever could.

 

Burying Jericho at Judgment Day was another day that led to a big influx of HHHaters if memory serves.

 

Don't blame the people that hated him first...there is a reason more people hate him now.

 

And the reason is HHH.

[Guest AM The Kid]

Burying Jericho before Wrestlemania was probably the last straw for me, as well as alot of others. Come on, he walked a dog and got hand lotion as the lead-up to the biggest match of his career!

[Guest Cerebus The Aardvark]

Jesus, bps, that sig is entirely too damn long.

 

Additionally, why do you always type out your posts line by line? Just wondering.

 

I've already said everything I need to say about HHH.

[Guest alfdogg]

Maybe he figures that people will pay more attention to it if he types it like that.

 

I guess it's working

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

whatever.

 

whatever.

 

I do what I want.

 

 

Just be happy I didn't type out the sig line by line too.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

BPS = Steve Austin?

[Guest Cerebus The Aardvark]

Maybe he figures that people will pay more attention to it if he types it like that.

 

 

Well, it does sort of stand out, especially on a board with larger font than this one, so I guess that makes sense.

 

I do what I want.

 

 

What a rebel. I envy you.

 

BPS = Steve Austin?

 

 

Unfortunately, no. He hasn't left yet.

 

Addendum: He hasn't left *this* board yet, that is.

[Guest GenerationNever]

The fact is, and I swear to God I mean this(thanks Rock), if you like Triple H then why are you here? This board is practically founded on exposing wrestlers as assholes. AM did a good job outlinging the proof. Frankly, most of us have theories based on facts, we're semi insiders who follow real insider like Meltzer. While they GET the facts, we present our opinions on the facts and present new ideas.

 

Triple H has PROVEN to be a once and present backstage politician, even before dating Steph. Think back to 95 and the Kliq, there is some more proof. The man doesn't deserve the benefit of the doupt. He can't be trusted, because does indeed corrupt.

[Guest Daredevil21]

I'm a bit too late in this thread to really get into it, but I'd just like to respond to this.

 

Think back to 95 and the Kliq, there is some more proof.

 

I'm not going to say whether HHH is a big backstage politician, cause none of us know it for sure. He may be, he may not be. As for the Kliq; yeah I think we all know how bad they were with the backstage BS, but to be fair, HHH wasn't really a big part of all of that. He was a fringe member of the Kliq, IMO. He was their bitch, their bag-carrier, he wasn't one of them.

 

If he had such say and power, like you claim that he did, then how do you explain some of the feuds he was involved in during 1995, and the early part of 1996? If he had such power, then why did he get punished so badly for breaking kayfabe with the whole Kliq Incident at MSG? He may have more power now, but I don't think any of that started until mid-'99 at the earliest.

 

To sum it all up, the Kliq may have had power, but HHH didn't just because he was associated with them. Therefore, your point doesn't hold much ground, and is pretty hard to back up, if you ask me.

[Guest Anglesault]

My point on HHH's punishment after MSG: I'd LOVE to be punished with a five month intercontinenetal title run when I'm not really over enough to gain it.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

You know what? Let's face it. With the possible exception of The Rock..every single main eventer has been involved in politics some way. Triple H, Steve Austin, The Undertaker..ALL of them. Nobody's a saint. Triple H isn't any worse than the rest of them. He's no better, either.

 

He simply does what he has to. A lot of guys do.

 

How do you think guys like they are stay on top so long when someone is more charismatic (Rock) or more talented (RVD) or an all out better worker (Benoit)?

 

Nobody's an angel. Triple H just catches it because he's an easy target.

[Guest Anglesault]

Triple H catches it because he is the worst offender.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

"Worst offender?" hell.

 

Last summer 'taker was doing his best to bury every WCW/ECW wrestler in sight. DDP, Kanyon, Palumbo and O'Hare, Kronik. I don't care if some of those guys sucked, burial is burial. His -wife- went over DDP..a multiple time world champion. How's that for backstage pull?

 

Austin..this one's personal. He recieved years of airtime as the single focus of the promotion without ever changing his character. Just once, in four years, and that had no lasting effects. He squashed tons of guys. The only people he really ever "put over" were Angle and Benoit. Angle was the WWF's golden boy, and Benoit was Benoit. They were "safe". Anyone else was off limits. They were either stunner-fodder, or just good enough to job to him at high profile events. (Rock). Nobody was ever on Austin's "level" except for a select few.

 

Did they "do anything to help others?" No. Did they play politics? Hell yes. In fact, Austin ran home. Taker finally HAD to straighten up, or he'd be kicked to the curb.

[Guest Anglesault]

Taker HAD to straighten up. Why doesn't Hunter HAVE to straighten up?

 

And did Austin or Taker ever go to such lengths as muting someone's pops?

[Guest caboose]

This thread has gone down hill so fast it's unbelievable.

 

Scratch that, it is believeable.

 

DangerousA asked the HHHaters to explain why we hated Triple H, and we did.

We explained our reasons with what I thought were good points and arguments.

 

But as AS pointed out, of all people it was the non HHHaters that took the thread downhill.

What I found funniest about this was that one of the most respected posters on the board helped to start the deterioation of the thread.

 

Is it any wonder that the HHHaters get a bad rep on the board? Especially when there are posters who seem to delibrately try and provoke us into flaming.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Triple H catches it because he is the worst offender.

Hulk Hogan.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

Sorry, I screwed up.

[Guest Anglesault]

Triple H catches it because he is the worst offender.

Hulk Hogan.

The man who has won ONE PPV match, put Rock and Angle and HHH himself over clean, and I don't recall him winning clean yet. (Except for last night's tag match)

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

Sure he is suffering now from it but ask yourself this question COULD YOU DO IT?

Yes, and I have. And I'm sure most posters on this board have faced and beaten adversity in their lives without the aid of a Desire video or fat-ass contract. And if we can't get our jobs done, we admit it, take time off to get better, and allow more qualified, better-abled people to take our places.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Given that the whole "politicking" thing is all speculative anyway, why couldn't you just say that Hogan outmanuevered the nWo with his face turn (after all, he wanted to come in with Goldberg, right?), essentially made the Rock his testicular caddy for a month, and got a run with the Undisputed Title?

 

Sure, he put over Angle and is slumming in the tag ranks, but do you honestly think that would be the case if Austin wasn't around? Do you seriously think that Hogan/Austin wouldn't have been at least teased, especially after they had been testing the reaction of said matchup after Raw went off the air?

 

I mean, while we're on the ideal of ultimate speculation, I think these are some credible points to keep in mind.

 

And, try as he might, I still don't think Triple H has anything on Hulk Hogan's mad waltz of destruction in WCW.

 

EDIT: And let's see how long it takes for the commentary team to mention something about Hulk "renewing some life" in the tag team division.

[Guest Brian]

"Austin..this one's personal. He recieved years of airtime as the single focus of the promotion without ever changing his character."

 

Becuase, well, he was the biggest fucking draw in the ocmpany's history. Ratings, merchandise, if he had a long-term effect ticket sales he probably would have done it.

 

"Just once, in four years, and that had no lasting effects."

 

No big deal. His charcter was incredibly successful, it still is very successful and the only reason it's not as much was because he tweaked it.

 

"The only people he really ever "put over" were Angle and Benoit."

 

Considering that up until he got injured, he wasn't working with a whole lot of talent that was ready to move up. It's not that big of a deal; Rock and Foley put each other over on the way up, Triple got over post-Austin departure. Other than Foley, has there been a main eventer who'll put over that many people in a year and a half.

 

"Angle was the WWF's golden boy, and Benoit was Benoit. They were "safe"."

 

Yeah, Benoit's really "safe". I mean, if anything people want to work with this guy because they'll get good matches, but he's no where near being a top level guy, or even consdered that as of now and really wasn't until Austin put him and Jericho over in that match. If not for the ahsty re-booking of King of the Ring that year Jericho may have moved up.

 

"Anyone else was off limits."

 

Who's anyone else.

[Guest Daredevil21]

My point on HHH's punishment after MSG: I'd LOVE to be punished with a five month intercontinenetal title run when I'm not really over enough to gain it.

 

He won the title after months of being jobbed out to just about everyone, and even after he won the title, he was booked to look like a fairly weak champion.

 

QUOTE (The Man in Blak @ Jul 6 2002, 07:23 PM)

QUOTE (Anglesault @ Jul 6 2002, 10:52 PM)

Triple H catches it because he is the worst offender.

 

Hulk Hogan.

 

The man who has won ONE PPV match, put Rock and Angle and HHH himself over clean, and I don't recall him winning clean yet. (Except for last night's tag match)

 

I think MIB was referring to Hogan's past rather than what he's done since his return this year. Hogan is without a doubt, one of the most notorious backstage politicians in the last 20 years of the business. In his defense, Hogan has been on his best behavior since his return in February. He has for the most part, become a JTTS, putting over HHH, Angle, Taker, and the Rock. When he does win, it's usually via DQ or something to that effect. I'm not saying that we should forget his past, but people need to stop slamming him now just because what he did in the past because so far, he has done no real wrong since his return.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Taker only holds down new people.

 

HHH and Austin held/hold down anyone that is a threat to take their spot.

 

Rock does as he's told.

 

Hogan does as he's told...now...he's never going to make up for his past offenses...but he sure is trying too...

 

the Jerichos, Benoits and RVDs of the WWE will only ever be transitional champions at best...becuse that is all they are allowed to be.

 

Of those 3 (go ahead and flame away...it's the right folder) the one who has the most potential to be a top guy and stay there is Jericho.

 

Hes the best of the three on the mic...the second best wrestler...and the second most exciting (in a pop the crowd during a match way).

 

So of the three he's the one I feel the most sorry for.

 

Angle will be the top guy...not A...but THE top guy for a long time soon enough.

 

By sheer force of talent and marketability.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

The reason I consider Benoit "safe"..is being realistic..he's one of, if not THE best wrestler in the WWF, quickly followed behind by Kurt Angle. Austin was always made to look strong, both in matches, and feud-wise..and as his condition was deteriorating, he just "happens" to feud with these guys..while Rock/HHH/Taker were stuck feuding with each other repeatedly.

 

BPS: I thought Jericho "had it" until about November of last year. Since that point (well, excluding the Rock and Benoit feuds) he's been stuck with people below his talent level, and made to look fairly worthless. I don't know at this point if he'll get back the immense ammount of credibility he lost since that time.

 

RVD "may" get there, but it'll be an HBK case. Not necessarily because he's who Vince wants there, but because the fans love the guy, and not whoever they're cramming down our throats at the moment.

 

Benoit will probably get there, if not for the fact he's the best wrestler in the company..the fact he looks like a wrestler should be. Or Vince's ideal of one. He's built like a tree.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

He won the title after months of being jobbed out to just about everyone, and even after he won the title, he was booked to look like a fairly weak champion.

A champion nonetheless.

 

In his defense, Hogan has been on his best behavior since his return in February. He has for the most part, become a JTTS, putting over HHH, Hogan, Taker, and the Rock.

Naturally he'd put himself over

[Guest Daredevil21]

Bah! I meant Angle. Oh well, I'll go back and change it.

 

A champion nonetheless.

 

That's not always a good thing. I think it would be better to not be a champion at all, if you're going to be booked as a weak champion. Look what Angle's world title run did to him. Until that point, many figured that he was the next big guy, but after being booked as a wussy champion for so many months, many lost faith in his ability because of his weak title run.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Besides the fact we've had several notable champions like Chyna, Albert, David Arquette, and the Hardcore divisions in what used to be both companies. (excepting Foley)

[Guest Brian]

"The reason I consider Benoit "safe"..is being realistic..he's one of, if not THE best wrestler in the WWF, quickly followed behind by Kurt Angle. Austin was always made to look strong, both in matches, and feud-wise..and as his condition was deteriorating, he just "happens" to feud with these guys..while Rock/HHH/Taker were stuck feuding with each other repeatedly. "

 

Well, Austin's not a stupid guy and it's not like he stopped trying, and they were generally fresh talent to the main event (both were turned face). Frankly, he didn't look as strong against Benoit and Jericho except when he was cheating with Triple H and against Angle he didn't come off that strong at all until the killed it in that final match. And that's not as much Austin's fault as the booker's for trying to look for solutions quickly.